Thread: Waking Life

It really was bizarre. Though I don't think it relates to Lucid Dreaming directly. The whole fading animation style gave it this "Dreamy, fleeting" impression, which I thought it was cool.

It was very differant to say the least. I was a little dissapointed in its relation to lucid dreaming.
All the conversation which took place were in two catagories for me. They were either an indepth conversation that was over my head or to the contrary rambling and what seemed to be two people high on marijuana talking to one another.

it was on the independent film channel yesterday and i got a clip of it here for all you people that cant see it

http://www.wakinglifemovie.com/pop_clip4.html

i got it from LDguy

i didnt watch it though because it didnt seem to have anything to do with LDing

Isn't the whole movie a big lucid dream?
Although it is, I suppose the discussions dont all follow dreaming, they are philosophical.

btw I loved it.

There's more to this movie than just what the characters do. Watch in the backgrounds and you'll find many interesting things. I love the movie it's really great. One of a kind that's for sure.

Originally posted by frozen_joth
There's more to this movie than just what the characters do. Watch in the backgrounds and you'll find many interesting things. I love the movie it's really great. One of a kind that's for sure.

really? like what sorts of things? I'm always interested when people notice stuff in movies like that, cuz i tend to gloss over stuff.

Bizzy

Originally posted by AirRick101
Though I don't think it relates to Lucid Dreaming directly.

i didnt watch it though because it didnt seem to have anything to do with LDing[/b]

Like, k'now, whatever.

But seriously, they openly discuss lucid dreaming. At one point the main character realizes he's lucid and explains the vividness of the situation. What are you guys smoking?

Like, seriously.

Ive seen it many times an I love it, I wana know what that old man was on about with regards to neo-humans? It was a very dreamy movie. As for ppl geting up an walking out halfway through well you have to wonder what is important for many ppl.

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There's more to this movie than just what the characters do. Watch in the backgrounds and you'll find many interesting things. I love the movie it's really great. One of a kind that's for sure.[/b]

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really? like what sorts of things? I'm always interested when people notice stuff in movies like that, cuz i tend to gloss over stuff.

Oh ya. There are all kinds of things going on in this movie.
It would be easier to watch it again rather than try and explain all of the wierd things they incorporate into the background.
Not to mention that the charachters themselves seem to change from full annimation to partial annimation/digitally enhanced ones.

Originally posted by Howetzer
Not to mention that the charachters themselves seem to change from full annimation to partial annimation/digitally enhanced ones.

None of that animation is digital. Several artists traced of each frame of each scene to create that astounding visual effect (see it again in Richard Linklater's upcoming movie based on a Philip K. Dick novel, A Scanner Darkly).

I thought the movie was incredible, and I've seen it about 14 or 15 times now. It takes at least 3 viewings to understand what exactly it is that they're talking about. That movie is what got me into lucid dreaming in the first place....and philosophical thinking.

Yeah what Howetzer said. If you dont see whats going on in the background you missed half the movie. Just watch it again. You'll love it.

Originally posted by bradybaker
None of that animation is digital. Several artists traced of each frame over each scene to create that astounding visual effect (see it again in Richard Linklater's upcoming movie based on a Philip K. Dick novel, A Scanner Darkly).

This would make that movie that much better. That is pretty damn cool.

I will have to again watch it to gain further insight on some of their discussions. They can be interpreted in many ways.

I loved that movie, got me really into dreaming.

In fact, a few of my first LDs happened just like in the movie.

I flipped the light switch, nothing happened, and I floated up to the ceiling. Twas pretty sweet.


ANyways, I had a friend walk out within the first minute, it was funny as hell.

Originally posted by frozen_joth
Yeah what Howetzer said. If you dont see whats going on in the background you missed half the movie. Just watch it again. You'll love it.

I watched if a few times... if by "in the background" you mean behind the characters... then I have no idea what you're talking about... it's pretty much blinds and windows the entire time.

If you're talking about "not what you'd likely focus on" then yeah.... That burly guy's button or whatever changes a bunch of times... didn't really notice much else.

Originally posted by bmx&#045;life™
Ive seen it many times an I love it, I wana know what that old man was on about with regards to neo-humans? It was a very dreamy movie. As for ppl geting up an walking out halfway through well you have to wonder what is important for many ppl.

Yeah, I didn’t really fully understand that one either =) I think he just said that the two areas where he thinks the next revolutionary scientific breakthroughs are going to happen will be biotechnology(like genetics, cloning and stuff) and computer(electrical) technology, and that he thinks both will be integrated into a new science where living organisms incorporate computer technology(think nanotechnology, or something like the Borg), and that these newly engineered humans will be another species. But where he was going with that… no idea. He was one of the ones I thought was bull sh*t.

Bizzy

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Oh ya. There are all kinds of things going on in this movie.
It would be easier to watch it again rather than try and explain all of the wierd things they incorporate into the background.
Not to mention that the charachters themselves seem to change from full annimation to partial annimation/digitally enhanced ones.
I loved all the different ways they animated the main character. The movie really starts to pick up once he starts talking, and you get to know him as more than this passive observer. and I loved how, every once and awhile, a shadow of someone’s face will drift off their face, or will drift into it and settle down, almost like a ghost of the person coming/going.

But after a second viewing, I’m kinda ambivalent. I didn’t like it nearly as much the second time around. Once I actually understood what a lot of those characters were ranting about, they turned out to be stupid ideas. But there were 4 or 5 that I thought were really cool. (like the two guys in the movie having the "holy moment" )

I think the animation’s brilliant, and drawing over the actual film is the only way they could have captured such nuanced facial expressions and attitudes. And I love all the parts about dreaming, and what dreaming means to the world and what it should mean. But all of those philosophical diatribes at the beginning—most of them are bs, and even if they aren’t they’re not all that interesting, and they slow the movie down.
heh, i should be a movie critic

Bizzy

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Ive seen it many times an I love it, I wana know what that old man was on about with regards to neo-humans? It was a very dreamy movie. As for ppl geting up an walking out halfway through well you have to wonder what is important for many ppl.

Yeah, I didn’t really fully understand that one either =) I think he just said that the two areas where he thinks the next revolutionary scientific breakthroughs are going to happen will be biotechnology(like genetics, cloning and stuff) and computer(electrical) technology, and that he thinks both will be integrated into a new science where living organisms incorporate computer technology(think nanotechnology, or something like the Borg), and that these newly engineered humans will be another species. But where he was going with that… no idea. He was one of the ones I thought was bull sh*t.

Bizzy

That was one of the most intriguing concepts in the film.

He talks about human evolution, and the time span of the human race. How it's been 100,000 years or whatever since humans first came to, and now in the past few centuries, decades, years, all these breakthroughs have occured. AI, industrial/agricultural/technological revolutions, physics, and such. Humans are evolving so fast that they could find truth within our generation or the next. The neo-humans he's talking about are the people that find truth.

When these neo-humans evolve, a new species is created, the beginning of another life form. And the cycle continues.

At least that's what I got out of it summed up.

Originally posted by evolo

That was one of the most intriguing concepts in the film.

He talks about human evolution, and the time span of the human race. How it's been 100,000 years or whatever since humans first came to, and now in the past few centuries, decades, years, all these breakthroughs have occured. AI, industrial/agricultural/technological revolutions, physics, and such. Humans are evolving so fast that they could find truth within our generation or the next. The neo-humans he's talking about are the people that find truth.

When these neo-humans evolve, a new species is created, the beginning of another life form. And the cycle continues.

At least that's what I got out of it summed up.

(bold mine) that's what I thought was rediculous about the whole idea. Why does he think neo-humans will be any closer to "the truth" than humans are already(which is not close at all)? What makes him think evolutionary time is telescoping? He compares the evolution of vertebrates to the invention of fire to the industrial revolution, as if because they are breakthroughs of similar magnitude(and are they really?) they must have taken similar amounts of time, but they are completely different processes. Evolution is still plodding along like it always has, except that natural selection can't really apply to humans, an we're killing off other species at an amazing rate. Humans are like cancerous cells and natural selection is their p53 gene.

ugh, sorry, didn't mean to go so self-righteous-environmentalist on you. it's not like I ever do anything to help the planet
will stop talking now,
Bizzy