Thread: Whats More 'REAL' The "real" world or the dream wo

Translation: Matter is mostly empty space, so we are not really here and nothing is real.

Hoppingsnail scratches his head and hmmmms...

Just because matter is mostly empty space does not mean that matter does not exist. Matter being mostly empty space will seem a lot less mystical to you if you do some research and try to understand the atomic world a bit better. Go do that, and report back. When I have time I might see if I can dig up a link from a source that I consider reliable.

I can understand, though, that as a budding lucid dreamer the boundaries between reality and fantasy might seem a little thin at first. But do not worry about it too much. There are many characteristics that clearly separate the two. If the line between reality and fantasy gets too blurry, then consider taking a break from lucid dreaming.

Originally posted by TechTutorial
I heard something about some scientists saying that the whole world when looked upon at a microscopic level is mostly empty space. Is this true? And if it is, are we really even 'here'? Is there really any difference between the two? And if not, why is is so much harder to enter the dream world?

This is ridiculous. Of course were here. Yeah, on an atomic level, the distance between things is relatively very great.

But its a measurably finite distance. An air filled baloon is mostly empty space, but those are no grounds to doubt its existence.

If you want to doubt the existence of things, thats fine, theres no way we can know if we are brains in vats or in the matrix, but you cant doubt existence based on the fact that there is lots of empty space...

The andswer is in the statement you wrote. Mostly Empty space, note Mostly. Mostly doesnt mean theres nothing there. We are here, everything is, even your thoughts are strands of chemicals.

TAKE THAT!

Of course, according to quantum theory, the quarks that make up the molecules of your body are only thee about 50% of the time. The rest of the time, they are somewhere else =P

Yes, but perception always plays a major role. The shifts are impossible to notice, or even study for that matter (no pun intended ).

http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/woowoocredo.htm

To be a proper woo-woo, you must follow these rules:

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10: Use the word quantum in a sentence, despite not knowing what it means. For a more impressive effect, use it with the name of your favorite superstition - "quantum dowsing" sure sounds mighty serious.

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Just kidding, of course.

Originally posted by Seeker
Of course, according to quantum theory, the quarks that make up the molecules of your body are only thee about 50% of the time. The rest of the time, they are somewhere else =P

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin
Yes, but perception always plays a major role. The shifts are impossible to notice, or even study for that matter (no pun intended ).

haha puns are sweet

Originally posted by hoppingsnail
Translation: Matter is mostly empty space, so we are not really here and nothing is real.

Hoppingsnail scratches his head and hmmmms...

Just because matter is mostly empty space does not mean that matter does not exist. *Matter being mostly empty space will seem a lot less mystical to you if you do some research and try to understand the atomic world a bit better. *Go do that, and report back. *When I have time I might see if I can dig up a link from a source that I consider reliable.

I can understand, though, that as a budding lucid dreamer the boundaries between reality and fantasy might seem a little thin at first. *But do not worry about it too much. *There are many characteristics that clearly separate the two. *If the line between reality and fantasy gets too blurry, then consider taking a break from lucid dreaming.

It's not that "matter is mostly empty space," but that there's often a lot of empty space between atoms, and subatomic particles (except in very dense objects such as Neutron Stars and Black Holes).

Yet it remains to be proven whether this "space" really is empty at all, some scientists think it may be filled with something called "quantum foam" (or at least I read something to that effect in the guiness book of records)

I'm surprised you havnt mentioned dark matter yet...


And this question is really why scientists exist, sort of like where all other questions branch from. Even 'what is the meaning to life' is just a variation on this.

Long story short, we're trying to find out

um yeah, we really exsist,,,,,,,,, i too have let myself drift into thoughts like, wut if we really dont exsist....... but then im a crazy teen who has nervous breakdowns...... .... my advice, thinkin like that is just gonna make u loopy, even if we really dont exsist...... plus. alotta scientists are lying bluffing idiots who say stupid shit like that just to get attention fame and cash

Well, naturally the empty space itself would not even be matter.

hoppingsnail oopses!

But I still think that you are just nitpicking. Black holes and neutron stars aren't exactly everyday objects that you encounter down the street on the way to work, for example. But what is this quantum foam? Matter? Energy?

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Translation: Matter is mostly empty space, so we are not really here and nothing is real.

Hoppingsnail scratches his head and hmmmms...

Just because matter is mostly empty space does not mean that matter does not exist. Matter being mostly empty space will seem a lot less mystical to you if you do some research and try to understand the atomic world a bit better. Go do that, and report back. When I have time I might see if I can dig up a link from a source that I consider reliable.

I can understand, though, that as a budding lucid dreamer the boundaries between reality and fantasy might seem a little thin at first. But do not worry about it too much. There are many characteristics that clearly separate the two. If the line between reality and fantasy gets too blurry, then consider taking a break from lucid dreaming.

It's not that \"matter is mostly empty space,\" but that there's often a lot of empty space between atoms, and subatomic particles (except in very dense objects such as Neutron Stars and Black Holes).

Yet it remains to be proven whether this \"space\" really is empty at all, some scientists think it may be filled with something called \"quantum foam\" (or at least I read something to that effect in the guiness book of records)[/b]

I just got done watching a movie about quantum mechanics called "What the bleep do we know?". It talks about if what we see is truly there or if it is just us making are own reality. I would recommend checking it out. Here is a site on it (first one in google).

To quote my favorite author, H.P Lovecraft...

"Men of broader intellect know that there is no sharp distinction betwixt the real abd the unreal; that all things appear as they do only by virtue of the delicate mental media by which we are made conscious of them."

How do we know that others perceive the world as we do? How do we know this "reality" isn't just some "dream"?

reality is what you make it

The ratio of the volume of an atom to the volume of its nucleus is approximately 10^15 (1 followed by 15 zeros). What's in between the nucleus and the electron cloud is by definition empty space. That's what is meant by "matter is mostly empty space". It in no way implies that matter does not exist, simply that its constituent parts are widely spread out. The "quantum foam" refers to the constant creation and instantaneous annihilation of subatomic particles. So is it matter or energy? Both and neither—the foam really refers more to the process. It’s matter in the form of particle/anti-particle pairs and it’s energy as the product of the annihilation. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum and you've got quantum foam.

Everything is real to the eye of the beholder.

Oh, I think I have heard of that quantum foam concept some time back, then. I just didn't know what it was called.