DILD - Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

Dream Initiated Lucid Dream - DILD
Basic Tutorial for Beginners

What

DILD is one of the two main induction methods that you can use to get a Lucid Dream.
The main difference between DILD and another main induction method called WILD:

DILD - you go to sleep normally. Then when in a dream, you realize you are dreaming.
WILD - you let your body fall asleep while you keep your mind aware, until dream is ready and you enter it without losing consciousness.

How

As I mentioned above, you have a DILD, when having a regular dream and you suddenly realize that you are dreaming.
In order to realize that, we have to teach our minds to ask a question "Am I dreaming?" when in a dream.

This is done by asking the same question during day. While doing this, believe that you are in a dream.

1. During the day, no matter what you are doing, stop and ask yourself "Am I dreaming"?
2. Look around. Examine your surroundings. Does everything look the way it should?
3. Ask yourself how you got there. What have you been doing 5 minutes ago? And before that?
   
   Now it's time to do a Reality Check (RC), and a mantra (simple phrase that you repeat).
   
   There are many different RCs and mantras that you can chose from, or you can make your own.
   
   For this example I will use the classic "looking at hands" RC with mantra.
4. Bring your hands up to chest level and look at your palms.
5. Examine them. Do they look as they normally do? Count your fingers. Don't presume how many you have.
6. Say "Next time I'm dreaming, I look at my hands and realize I'm dreaming."
7. Put your hands down, bring them back up and repeat RC with mantra a few times.
   
   It doesn't really matter how many times you do it. What matters is that you believe that you could be in a dream, you just don't know it yet. Don't, at any point, think to yourself "No, I'm not dreaming."
8. Repeat above steps when you are sitting on your bed ready to go to sleep.
9. As you are falling asleep, repeat your mantra only.

It would be best if this mantra is the last thought you have just before you fall asleep.
If it keeps you awake, start falling asleep normally and say your mantra when you are close to falling asleep.
Or say it a few times, then just go to sleep normally.

Pretty soon this behavior starts happening in your regular dreams and you will gain awareness and become lucid.

How soon, that's different for everybody. It could be tonight, or in a few weeks or in a month.

It really helps if you are excited about the prospect of having the greatest adventure you can imagine,
and if you know that you will, without any doubt.

Additional RCs you can add to/replace the "looking at hands" RC. It's good to do at least 2-3 different RCs at the time. Pick your favorites or make up your own.

1. Looking at hands + Counting fingers
2. Nose plug
3. Thumb/palm
4. Gravity
5. Try to change something
6. Switches
7. Reading

1. In Waking Life (IWL) Look at your hands, palms up and notice details. Count your fingers. In dream, look at your hands. Do they look normal (color, shape, size, can you make your finger longer?) Count your fingers. Do you have the right amount? This is a good RC, because your hands are always there, IWL and in a dream and you can practice this discretely.

2. IWL - pinch your nose shut with your hand and try to breathe. If you can breathe, you are in a dream. Also a good RC, because your nose is always there, little less discrete to practice.

3. IWL - Try to gently push your thumb through a palm of your other hand. Pay attention to the sensation. Anticipate, that it will go through. In dream, do the same. If it goes through, you are dreaming. Good RC also because you don't have to go and look for them and quite discrete to practice.

4. IWL - Say, "If this was a dream, I could levitate" and expect to float up. Do the same in a dream. Good RC, you can do it anywhere and totally discrete.

5. IWL - look at something and say "if this was a dream, that [something] would be [something else]. You can think of an item being some other item, or try to change color, size, movement... It's fun and it transfers into your dream very well. Don't forget to use emotions when doing it - be sure you are in a dream, so the thing will change.

6. Try to turn on a light switch. In a dream, flipping a switch usually won't do anything. But people do report that they can turn on lights in a dream. And if there is no light switch near in a dream, you would have to look for one and waste your time.

7. Try to read. In a dream, you can read, but when you take a second look, it will say something different, or gibberish. Also time on a clock may have letters instead of numbers. But it can also look correct. And you have to find a clock in a dream before you can do RC.

What you just read is a basic practice, that is perfectly capable to give you a LD tonight.

You can of course read more and expand on your knowledge and apply your own ideas, so it works for you the best it can.


More about awareness
Self-awareness by Sageous
All day awareness by KingYoshi
Dream Yoga by Sivason
Collection of techniques for DILD

Please discuss this Dreamviews recommended DILD tutorial here in this thread. Please do not start new threads.

I, ve been trying to lucid dream for about amonth now, with not much success , I do RC, s , have a dream journal and sett intentions before I sleep.
I have some krazy dreams from being a delivery man to a ninja , but just seem to accept it all as normal untill I wake up, althought even in the dreams I, m starting to realize this is krazy and questioning the situation but not actually saying to myself am I dreaming , is this what happens first when u start learning to lucid dream? any help or encouragement would help thanks

Yes it is normal. People at first tend to start questioning reality, but sometimes fail to become lucid. It's a good sign, but make sure you are being conscious of the situation when you do a reality check. Mechanical actions don't help, and even questioning isn't that effective unless you are aware that you might be dreaming at any point of your life.

Thanks for the reply I, ll keep at it

This I so maddening , I just dreampt that I was at work the very place I don, t want to be , without becomeing lucid so I went through the stress of being there , being manipulated by all the situations that happen as well, I, ve been doing RC probably every ten minutes all yesterday , can anyone tell me if this could be somthing that u practice for awhile with know sucess and then after awhile something just clicks in your mind and u start gatting encourage ing results

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This I so maddening , I just dreampt that I was at work the very place I don, t want to be , without becomeing lucid so I went through the stress of being there , being manipulated by all the situations that happen as well, I, ve been doing RC probably every ten minutes all yesterday , can anyone tell me if this could be somthing that u practice for awhile with know sucess and then after awhile something just clicks in your mind and u start gatting encourage ing results

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Trying doing RCs with All Day Awareness. Worked for me.

Am I missing it or do the discuss this DV tutorial threads not have a link to the tutorial in question? A link would be useful so that we don't accidentally discuss a different tutorial. Do you mean the one in the Wiki?

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Am I missing it or do the discuss this DV tutorial threads not have a link to the tutorial in question? A link would be useful so that we don't accidentally discuss a different tutorial. Do you mean the one in the Wiki?

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This thread is for discussing DILD tutorial found here Induction Methods and Techniques

Had my first intenional DILD this morning, my ecig was blowing vaper out on its own then I realised I was dreaming and got up and walked about my house , all the furniture was messed up and there was a staircase through my kitchen , I tried to fly and went through space , totally amazing

That's awesome, Robert12438. Congrats :breakitdown: We wish you many more.

It took me a full month before I got my first one, I questioned what one of my dream characters resembled and man was it f'd up lol. Anyways my next one I met Morgan freeman on command and toured Hong Kong! Funny thing is I wold count my fingers too five and ask "is this a dream?" In my RCs but when becoming lucid I never did this, it kinda just came to me like a light bulb. Maybe it's just that ur brain responds to anything suggestive about lucid dreaming and knows when to "wake up". Just a wild stab in the dark

Congrats on lucid dreams! :goodjob2:
It's awareness and questioning mindset that makes one lucid, and reality checks help with those, becoming lucid without actually doing reality check in dream is not uncommon because most often one does reality check itself in dream due to awareness getting high enough. :)
And it's indeed right before waking up is when one's awareness is often highest. ;)

DILD is the only method that has worked for me.
I have tried WILD a lot of times, and only one time i succeeded without drifting away. Then i saw a dark hallway with a little girl in the end of. This was followed by horrible scratching sound, like metal being torn apart, and my vision glitching towards this incredible frightening child. This, of course, woke me up

DILD seems to me like a little more comfortable approach to lucidity, with the drawback being the smaller success rate and not always being able to attend lucidity when wanted.
Personally it seems like my dreams has evolved "against" me since the day that i started reality checking. My dreams are being more and more realistic, with electric equipment functioning almost perfectly, even internet on computers.
That said, i rarely attain lucidity through reality checking anyway, its more like i just know i am dreaming. Or that something is so illogical that i think, this must be a dream. Sometimes i perform a reality check after this to confirm my suspicions, but i can only remember a few times this has happened.

My problems however, surfaces when i'm taking the dream to the next level. I have a hard time anchoring the dream, and it seems like i suddenly have no idea what to do when i achieve lucidity.
Like one time i remember, i just went with the flow, and just floated around in the dream word, amazed by its creations. This however brought me out of lucidity after a while.

Do you guys have any tips for me? I would greatly appreciate it.

Best way to stay anchored in a dream is to engage all your senses. Stomp your feet, clap/rub your hands, talk/sing, smell the air, eat something, keep looking around, become part of a dream. All this, but without the urgency.

If you can't remember what to do once lucid, you can write your list of goals in your dream journal. Maybe pick just one of them for each night, so it's easier to remember. Draw a picture of it, think about it, daydream about it.

When I started out, I heard that yelling out commands, like "clarity now" and "awareness now" can also help with getting more awareness and details and such. I tried yelling, but all I did was a whisper. So I started practicing yelling commands during day. I pretended I just got lucid and yelled out commands and expected them to work.

I did the same practice with stabilizing/anchoring. Rubbed my hands, patted my arms, stomped my feet... And in my next lucid, I heard my voice for the first time ever in a dream and I saw my hands and legs while stabilizing.

RCs- yes, they are more to confirm, what you already suspect or know. And that suspicion comes from awareness. Without that, we rarely even get the urge to RC, and if we do, we don't get lucid, because it's the awareness, that gets us lucid. Sometimes people say, "I didn't even need the RC, I just got lucid out of the blue". They don't realize, that it wasn't out of the blue. It was due to hightened awareness from questioning reality that we do before or during RCing in waking life.

The sounds you heard when WILDing - they are quite normal. If you tried WILD again, you would most likely not hear the same thing, or not hear anything at all. If you WILD while having pleasant thoughts, your experience will most likely be a pleasant one.

With practice, you can get your DILD frequency up to having at least one a week, or even more. But of course, it warries from person to person. WILDs can also be unreliable, because not every attempt is a success even for a seasoned WILDer.

Both methods have their pros and cons. Well, mostly pros :) They bring you different experience, especially the HH when WILDing. Happy dreams:alien:

Thank you for the fast and in-depth reply gab! I will be sure to try these techniques the next time i have the opportunity. I have tried a technique where i would look at my hands and yell out, "anchor me" or "anchor this dream", but I've had little success. Therefor i will be sure to try to practice this ability while awake, because it sounds like something that could work. Just like reality-checks.
I also have alot of fake awakenings, and i rarely realize this, do you have any tips about how i could most efficiently counter fake awakenings, or prevent them?

It was not really this vision that made me not try WILD anymore, its just that i have a hard time engaging in it. Either i just drift of, or absolutely nothing happen. So i will be sure to check out some of the WILD techs on the forum to see if i can get them to work.

It was actually in my first lucid dream (a DILD) that i had had my greatest success, in this first dream i teleported, created an white empty space where i spawned a lot of things. This dream ended when i tried to teleport home, but what met me was a bizarre transformation of my childhood home, and my father half human and half monster. This freaked me out, so i waked up.

You are welcome.

As to FAs - false awakenings. They can be a great opportunity to get lucid. If you RC and question your reality everytime you get up from bed, pretty soon you will start RCing in your FAs, since most of them starts in your bed.

WILDing is a delicate ballance of falling asleep and not falling asleep at the same time. You try to stay awake until a dream is ready for you to enter. Mantras can help with keeping your mind awake until that moment comes. An excellent, detailed WILD (sageous) explanation is here, and here is our shorter version. Sageous also has classes in that link I just linked you to.

It's common to wake up due to excitement or being startled. No worries, you'll have many more. :alien:

Would having a fan on in my room make my chances slim of having a DILD? My room get's horribly hot so I keep the fan on, I can sleep fine with it and it does not disturb me. I actually find it peaceful.

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Would having a fan on in my room make my chances slim of having a DILD? My room get's horribly hot so I keep the fan on, I can sleep fine with it and it does not disturb me. I actually find it peaceful.

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No, a fan will definitely not interfere with your chances to DILD or to WILD. If you can sleep with it on, you can lucid dream with it on.

So simply put for this to work, I need to keep telling myself "am I dreaming?2 and count my fingers to ten and push my finger into my palm, keep doing this until I go to bed hoping that I remember to repeat this in my dreams?

I then do what I kept repeating as a reality check while in the dream to gain self-awareness.

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So simply put for this to work, I need to keep telling myself "am I dreaming?2 and count my fingers to ten and push my finger into my palm, keep doing this until I go to bed hoping that I remember to repeat this in my dreams?

I then do what I kept repeating as a reality check while in the dream to gain self-awareness.

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Reality checks are one half of the process. The other half is you awareness. You do them together.

Start out by asking yourself if you are dreaming (or telling yourself, that you are dreamin). Then look at your environment and ask yourself if it looks allright. Does it look the same as you remember it, as it looked yesterday? Do you remember how you got where you are now? What did you do just 5 min, 30 min, ... ago? Basically, to be aware of yourself and your place in your environment.

After that, you do a few RCs. Which ones, it's up to you. Pick 2-3 that you like and do them all. Then tell yourself "next time I'm dreaming, I [look at my hands, pinch my nose, stick my finger through palm...] and realize I'm dreaming. It's enough if in your mantra you say only one of your RCs.

Then this action will start showing up in your dreams, because you do it often. But what's more important, the realization of 'wow, this could be a dream" will start happening in your regular dreams and that is what will give you a hint of awareness and lucidity and get you lucid.

If you don't really believe that you are dreaming and that your RC will work when you practicing it, it may happen, that in your dream you will RC, but you will not get lucid.

The awareness and believing, that you are dreaming and that your thumb will go through your palm, that you can breathe with pinched nose, that you can fly,... that is the most important thing about reality checking.

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Reality checks are one half of the process. The other half is you awareness. You do them together.

Start out by asking yourself if you are dreaming (or telling yourself, that you are dreamin). Then look at your environment and ask yourself if it looks allright. Does it look the same as you remember it, as it looked yesterday? Do you remember how you got where you are now? What did you do just 5 min, 30 min, ... ago? Basically, to be aware of yourself and your place in your environment.

After that, you do a few RCs. Which ones, it's up to you. Pick 2-3 that you like and do them all. Then tell yourself "next time I'm dreaming, I [look at my hands, pinch my nose, stick my finger through palm...] and realize I'm dreaming. It's enough if in your mantra you say only one of your RCs.

Then this action will start showing up in your dreams, because you do it often. But what's more important, the realization of 'wow, this could be a dream" will start happening in your regular dreams and that is what will give you a hint of awareness and lucidity and get you lucid.

If you don't really believe that you are dreaming and that your RC will work when you practicing it, it may happen, that in your dream you will RC, but you will not get lucid.

The awareness and believing, that you are dreaming and that your thumb will go through your palm, that you can breathe with pinched nose, that you can fly,... that is the most important thing about reality checking.

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How long should it take before I have a lucid dream roughly? I've been doing what you explained for an hour and a half, if I kept doing this so until Tuesday, is it possible to have a lucid dream? Could it be possible I might have one tonight?

How long did it take for you to have a lucid dream?

You can absolutely have one tonight. I did. But I was super super excited and for half a day, I thought of nothing else then how cool lucid dreaming sounds and that I can't believe, it even exists and I was just so happy to have discovered it. I also read some exciting threads, namely this one http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...other-dcs.html

Of course, this thread may not be so exciting to you, so just read around, check out some more tutorials and visualize what would you do in your first lucid.

Even if everything done right, most people get their first one after few days, or even weeks of practice. Don't give up, you can do it:alien:

While I lie in bed, should I try to stay aware? Repeat the mantra "am I dreaming" or should I just sleep naturally?

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While I lie in bed, should I try to stay aware? Repeat the mantra "am I dreaming" or should I just sleep naturally?

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Best time for our mind to register a mantra (your intent) is as you are falling asleep. When you are almost asleep. You just think it, don't say it at that point. But if it keeps you awake, then just say it a few time and then go to sleep normally.

I usually start by mumbling my mantra, then as I'm getting more and more sleepy, I just repeat it in my mind and if it keeps me awake, I stop and just go to sleep.

But of course, the goal is to fall asleep.

I'll be trying this for the foreseeable future, so I'll let you guys know how I go. You know, for encouragement and to make the guide look good.

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I'll be trying this for the foreseeable future, so I'll let you guys know how I go. You know, for encouragement and to make the guide look good.

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Goog luck and Happy dreams, avalanche.

DILD has been the only way I have obtained lucidity. The crazy thing is that each time it has happened I have been floored that it was actually a dream. I would be in my dream and say "guess I will do a RC", I do it and my jaw just drops. Sometimes I will awake within 10 seconds or so but I have managed to remain for over a minute in a couple of them. It seems to me that when the 'awareness' necessary to do a RC happens, I am on my way out of the dream.

I realized that throughout the day, if I am busy and doing things I forget to do a RC. I then started with a timer to remind me every half hour and then downloaded an app that reminds me every 20 minutes or so. I usually stop what I am doing, look at the environment, count fingers and so on. I have become lucid in a dream once by rubbing my palm, 4 times by looking at my hands/fingers and once by jumping and testing gravity.

Next step is working on WILD.

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...The crazy thing is that each time it has happened I have been floored that it was actually a dream. I would be in my dream and say "guess I will do a RC", I do it and my jaw just drops. ...

Next step is working on WILD.

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Exactly. Leap of faith. Believe, even if you are sure it ain't so. RC and ask yourself the awareness question and BELIEVE it will work, because you could be in a dream at that moment. Even if you are 100% sure, you are awake.

And yaaaaah, WILDs are great : D

Hmm...I'm interested in the OP's idea of being excited about the idea of LD'ing. When i was 8 years old, i remember the vivid day (waking life) standing in my friends room holding a toy cat looking out of the frosted up window thinking...'What if this is a dream? What if i never woke up from last night?' I am 37 now, have only recently found out this is a DILD technique to practice in waking life, and coincidentally i still have cats accompany in many of me lucid dreams :) There is this knock on effect. And a paradox to learning techniques. We know the techniques as i guess they have been developed from the repeated actions of natural lucid dreamers, like me, then put into action by those who are excited and fascinated by the idea...for eg...I had never heard of the idea of using light switches to reality check (never knew what the term reality check was even) until i watched an amazing animation that many of you would have seen (watch it if you haven't) called 'Waking Life'. The night i saw this film, in my LD i was unsure as to whether i should jump out of a window into a beautiful garden. Then i remembered watching Waking Life, and the light switch sequence, and i didn't have to go and look for one, i just imagined one and there it was. I pressed it and the light went crazy....I knew i was dreaming...for sure...so I was glad to incorporate technique and ever since i have studied LD'ing more and now would like to induce WILD into my repertoire haha! So my advice would be to engage...like OP says, excite yourself, submerge yourself, be playfully inquisitive about your unconscious.

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Trying doing RCs with All Day Awareness. Worked for me. WILD 1 DILD 5

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Is it really that rare to have a WILD/DILD?

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Is it really that rare to have a WILD/DILD?

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Nope. He just started and that's his count till that day.

Trying to find a consistent way to recall dreams before I can even attempt to DILD.

The problem with DILD is that I can just sleep right through and not notice a dream or recall it.

If I set 3 alarms and get out of my bed, then go back to bed (is this all WBTB is?) is this a good method to recall and LD?

I tried alarms last night, I actually awoke before the alarms as I seem to be waking up after a major REM. But I never left the bed. I just rolled over and went quickly back to sleep.

Is forcing the issue a good thing? I.e. getting out of bed, trying to remember?

I need to get a better sleeping schedule, although I do seem to wake on my own after a REM after using alarms for a few weeks.

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Trying to find a consistent way to recall dreams before I can even attempt to DILD.

The problem with DILD is that I can just sleep right through and not notice a dream or recall it.

If I set 3 alarms and get out of my bed, then go back to bed (is this all WBTB is?) is this a good method to recall and LD?

I tried alarms last night, I actually awoke before the alarms as I seem to be waking up after a major REM. But I never left the bed. I just rolled over and went quickly back to sleep.

Is forcing the issue a good thing? I.e. getting out of bed, trying to remember?

I need to get a better sleeping schedule, although I do seem to wake on my own after a REM after using alarms for a few weeks.

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1. If you had a lucid dream, you would notice. And you would most likely, almost positively wake up after it. It's just so exciting and different, that you will wake up. So I would start working on DILDs at the same time as working on recall.

2. WBTB - this is mostly done when WILDing, but it can help with DILDs too. The purpose of WBTB is to wake up your mind a bit, so it doesn't fall asleep too quickly. For this, you have to get out of the bed for at least a few minutes.

But, for a purpose of recalling a dream, you don't need to get out of the bed. In fact, when you wake up, lay still and try to think of a dream you just came out of. When you have it, retell it with words, don't just replay the images. That way it gets transfered into your daytime memory. Now you can get up or reach for your dream journal and write it down. Or at least some phrases, that will help you remember it in the morning, when you write the whole dream down.

You can use alarm for this. But it doesn't guarantee that it will wake you up at the right time. But you saying, that you are waking up naturally, even before alarm sounds. This is perhaps because you set an intent to wake up at night by setting your alarm. And intents work just like that. You tell yourself "I wake after every dream and remember it".

The way it's working right now, could be as you say. Because naturally we wake up after every sleep cycle, which ends with REM. So after a dream ends. We just don't notice these micro-awakenings. We just turn to the other side and sleep some more. But you set your intent and now you waking up by yourself. Take the advantage of that and recall and record your dreams at that time.

I do something similar. Instead of alarm, I drink some water before bed and then every time it wakes me up. Some nights I remember a dream every time I wake up.

Happy dreams

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But, for a purpose of recalling a dream, you don't need to get out of the bed. In fact, when you wake up, lay still and try to think of a dream you just came out of. When you have it, retell it with words, don't just replay the images. That way it gets transfered into your daytime memory. Now you can get up or reach for your dream journal and write it down. Or at least some phrases, that will help you remember it in the morning, when you write the whole dream down.

You can use alarm for this. But it doesn't guarantee that it will wake you up at the right time. But you saying, that you are waking up naturally, even before alarm sounds. This is perhaps because you set an intent to wake up at night by setting your alarm. And intents work just like that. You tell yourself "I wake after every dream and remember it".

The way it's working right now, could be as you say. Because naturally we wake up after every sleep cycle, which ends with REM. So after a dream ends. We just don't notice these micro-awakenings. We just turn to the other side and sleep some more. But you set your intent and now you waking up by yourself. Take the advantage of that and recall and record your dreams at that time.

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I have a tough time remembering dreams, even right afterwards. Usually I wake and I don't recall anything. I have feelings but I'm not sure why, I may be excited, but no clue why. Dreams come like a bursting water balloon. It goes from thinking I hadn't dreamed anything to just one thing reminding me of what happened causing a stream of memories to come forward.

I think I will need to get out of bed because just sitting there does no good and I quickly fall asleep again.

The last two nights I can't recall dreams. And to be honest, that's all I really want for now, is to recall dreams. I do get dreams where I interact, but being taken for a ride can be fun also.

I just want to be able to recall dreams whenever I wish. LD is kind of a secondary goal for now.

Well I did the 3 alarms and it worked very well. Like I've read before on here, early on you get fewer dreams, later it's much better. I broke it up into 3 2hour breaks, first break couldn't remember a thing, 2nd break had a really good dream, 3rd break was a really long complicated dream in multi-locations with a connected story.

Very happy I seem to be able to at least get to dreaming.

As a side note, the 2nd dream was a bit funny and a bit interesting. I was in a conference room with Stephen Colbert and he was insulting me. I told him "I never knew you were such a dick". He really didn't look like Colbert, but some how I talked to him as if he were.

Suddenly we're on a street corner and he mentions something about "you're a regular Teddy anh-uh-man".

At first I thought it was a subconscious reference to a person that I knew as a kid named Ted Hagamann.

In my introduction I've explained that I have a lot of precog dreams. And that is one of my main interest in dreaming. So I was kind of amazed to find a famous precog magician named Teddy Annemann from the 30s.

I live in an old house built in the 20s. I think my dreams are influenced by those that have lived here as well.

Oddly enough, the person that was Stephen Colbert looked like the images of Annemann I found online. Greased back hair from the 30s.

I've never heard of this guy before. Or at least not consciously.

Some nights I cant remember any dreams, im just starting out so is this normal? should i write anything down in my dream journal? Ive been looking into some ways to recall dream better and it would be really helpful someone could give me some tips. Also I am new to the forums. :)

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Some nights I cant remember any dreams, im just starting out so is this normal? should i write anything down in my dream journal? Ive been looking into some ways to recall dream better and it would be really helpful someone could give me some tips. Also I am new to the forums. :)

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It was normal for me when I started, even now there are times when I cant remember anything. Its not the fact that you didn't dream its just the fact that your mind was on other things when you woke up or you just started going when you woke up. Even when you dont remember anything and you are first starting out write down anything, if it was just a feeling or one thing you remember. If you dont remember anything write that down and what time you went to bed and woke up. This is good to do to get in the practice of journaling.

The best thing to do is when you wake up at night and in the morning is to lay completely still and try to remember any detail whatsoever about anything that happened that night. I find myself asking what was I just doing, and once I remember something specific from the dream I start to remember details about it. If you can remember a little seed it is possible to work backwards and chain a huge dream together. Sometimes I will even remember something that happened in a dream halfway through the day that happened in a dream that night.

I didn't even know this stuff existed until last night I was dreaming normally and then I realised wait I'm dreaming and I did a few reality checks and realised I was dreaming but then I wasted my time and thought what if I'm not dreaming and this is real then I did a quick Google and found this site and learnt the name for it

Have you tried meditation? It helps you stay in the present and not get caught up in your surroundings. You are not your body, you are not even your mind, you are consciousness. I like the "isha kriya" meditation. I had a very good vivid lucid dream after doing this meditation for just one day.

I have found a lot more on lucid dreaming but I have been trying for 2 weeks now and no luck I just don't understand how I did it 3 weeks ago and didn't even try to :-)

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I have found a lot more on lucid dreaming but I have been trying for 2 weeks now and no luck I just don't understand how I did it 3 weeks ago and didn't even try to :-)

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Keep trying! It might take more than a few weeks to learn how to lucid dream more regularly. I started working at this a few years ago after, like you, having an unexpected and spontaneous lucid experience, but after that it still took several weeks of determined practice before I was able to induce lucidity through more deliberate methods. I've had a lot of successes since then but I still have to work hard at it every day! The most important thing is to find ways to sustain or boost your motivation, and apart from that, experiment until you find whatever combination of techniques work best for you.

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Keep trying! It might take more than a few weeks to learn how to lucid dream more regularly. I started working at this a few years ago after, like you, having an unexpected and spontaneous lucid experience, but after that it still took several weeks of determined practice before I was able to induce lucidity through more deliberate methods. I've had a lot of successes since then but I still have to work hard at it every day! The most important thing is to find ways to sustain or boost your motivation, and apart from that, experiment until you find whatever combination of techniques work best for you.

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Hi thanks for that but last night I had my first MILD but it only lasted about 5 seconds bit instead of me waking up the dream carried on but I wasn't lucid anymore

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Hi thanks for that but last night I had my first MILD but it only lasted about 5 seconds bit instead of me waking up the dream carried on but I wasn't lucid anymore

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Congratulations! That's a great start. Don't worry about the brevity, it takes a while to get the hang of sustaining lucidity for a longer period, but it will come with practice.

I once had a dream with this mad scientist type character and during the dream he was saying that we were dreaming. I tried to push my fingers in my palm and it didn't work. I kept trying because I knew I must be dreaming but it still didn't work. I then asked my classmate if we were dreaming and he said "yes I even woke up briefly to confirm it." At which point I was like "work!"and I jabbed my fingers into my palm as hard as I could and it worked, making a disgusting crackling sound and it felt like there were new joints in my palms that allowed me o push through, yet somehow I didn't quite get lucid. I also had a dream that started with just dark emptiness, then I heard a sound that was like "vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvVVWUP !" and a scene popped up. I was immediately like "Was that just the start of a dream?! That would never happen in real life" I then walked around exploring but I never quite became lucid, it was more like a dream that I was dreaming I was lucid. I was able to recall something online when the bicycle I was riding stopped moving and I also saw this awesome spot on a path through the woods were there were two large pools that were smooth but irregular floating a good 6 in off the ground at their lowest points. They kind of looked like three dimensional parabolas that were flatter on top, and there were fish in the pools all facing forwards that grew as I walked past the pools. It was probably one of the most vivid dreams I have had, though I recently had an even more vivid one. I was in a lecture hall and my roommate had his stuff there but he wasn't around, I reached over to grab one of my pencils, and just managed to touch it when the alarm clock went off. Waking up felt kind of like when you are in deep thought and someone comes out of nowhere and yells "Surprise!". After I got up I was reflecting on the experience when I thought " wow, that was a dream". Then I remembered the fine detail and thought " WOW! That was a dream!?!" The floor looked real, the tables, the chairs, the skate board, backpack, pens and pencils, all looked Exactly the way they would in real life, and especially the pens and pencils. I even felt everything I touched.

So, does having increasingly vivid dreams help to become more lucid?

I've been trying to induce a lucid dream via reality checks, but I just couldn't get lucid in any way :-(
Throughout a regular day I've got an app reminding me every hour to perform a reality check, thats when I raise my hands and examine them for about 30 seconds.
Then I ask myself if I am dreaming and I tell myself "the next time,when I am dreaming,I will see my hands and remember I'm dreaming",either using the voice in my head or my real one,depending on where I am haha ;-).
After that I'm counting my fingers from my left thumb to my right pinky finger and backwards. After that I am pressing my right thumb slowly into my left handpalm,believing it could slip right through it.
Now I'm actually not performing this reality check before going to bed,which I guess I should start doing.
Now here's my question: When I am going to sleep and feel like the dream is becoming more vivid (which sometimes happens,approximately half an hour before waking up),is all my training going to make me perform a reality check automatically or am I supposed to somehow force myself to see my hands and perform the rc?
Any help I glady appreciate :-)

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Now here's my question: When I am going to sleep and feel like the dream is becoming more vivid (which sometimes happens,approximately half an hour before waking up),is all my training going to make me perform a reality check automatically or am I supposed to somehow force myself to see my hands and perform the rc?
Any help I glady appreciate :-)

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You might happen to perform an RC during a dream and notice that it doesn't indicate reality. Personally, this rarely, if ever, happens to me; instead, I happen to notice something odd, then I'll decide to RC and find out that I'm dreaming. (Indeed, I've occasionally “just happened” to do an RC in a non-lucid dream, and it simply indicated reality, just as it would in real life.)

For this reason, it's probably best if you get in the habit of doing the RCs anytime something seems even slightly out of the ordinary, or simply just a little surprising, rather than have a timer or app remind you. Consider the possibility that you could be dreaming (even if it seems real), then do the RC, without assuming the result will necessarily turn out indicating reality—expect to be surprised. (I've lost count of how many times I've done an RC in a dream and thought, “Whoa, I can't believe this is a dream, but it sure is!”) Even daydreaming a bit during the day and imagining yourself wondering if you could be dreaming and doing the RC to find out might help. You want to do or think about it often enough that the activity starts to carry over into your dreams.

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I've been trying to induce a lucid dream via reality checks, but I just couldn't get lucid in any way :-(
Throughout a regular day I've got an app reminding me every hour to perform a reality check, thats when I raise my hands and examine them for about 30 seconds.

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It sounds like you are doing really well performing RCs regularly. With that kind of regularity, it probably won't take too long before one crops in dreamland and you get lucid. One other thing you might look into to maximize your probability of becoming lucid is to employ multiple induction techniques simultaneously.

For example, you always have the "background" technique of the RC going on, and you have been setting your intention to recognize the dream state. To that you could add a "wake back to bed" (WBTB) after about 5 hours of sleep, when you wake up perform a few RCs and head back to sleep while practicing MILD or just intention setting. This is how I have gotten 95% of my LDs. This way you are simultaneously implementing 3-4 mutually reinforcing techniques. I think this would greatly multiply your chance of getting lucid, with just a little more effort.

I hope this helps, and may you have countless lucid dreams!!

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For example, you always have the "background" technique of the RC going on, and you have been setting your intention to recognize the dream state. To that you could add a "wake back to bed" (WBTB) after about 5 hours of sleep, when you wake up perform a few RCs and head back to sleep while practicing MILD or just intention setting. This is how I have gotten 95% of my LDs. This way you are simultaneously implementing 3-4 mutually reinforcing techniques. I think this would greatly multiply your chance of getting lucid, with just a little more effort.

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That sounds like a great suggestion! I started looking into LDing a couple of Fridays back, so I've been at it just short of two weeks. I've incorporated my own version of Puffin's SAT with RCs into my daily routine and I've been DJing nightly. I've also been setting an intention via mantra to wake after my dreams and remember them.

On average I've been recalling about 2 dreams a night. At least 1 but sometimes up to 4. Some only fragments but some complete and detailed. I record the time of waking, and the pattern is early REM cycles produce more fragments and later REM cycles produce more complete and detailed dreams. Since I've been DJing it seems like more and more fine grain detail is becoming available during recall.

I generally don't have a problem getting back to sleep, so I'm going to try this and see how it pans out!

The thing is where it says when you are about to fall asleep, I usually lye in bed and let my thoughts wander and say when I am about to fall asleep I will say the mantra, but then I wake up the next morning and then realize I had fallen asleep. I don’t know when I am about to fall asleep. Weird.

Today , my 8th DJ has made. I think im start to have a good dream recall. I always have a dream since i started my DJ. No day without a dream. But sometimes i shd remember it harder n just got a little story, but it always there, my dream always show up every morning now. Not perfect, still black n white n not so clear, but i remember it. Is this an improvement??

i still dont get my own LD till now. I hope i can have one soon.

Thank you :wizard:Gab - I have been reading through lots of stuff over the last weeks and finaly think I am going to settle down with your steps under How 1-9 etc above. Every day :happyme

I REALY liked what you said about talking out loud too as in one LD I spoke to a dream character and managed to say I Am dreaming a cupple of times and I sounded like I was far away under water! So working on it in day time seems an excellent idea:sunflower:
Happy dreaming and oh yes the thread on dream guides you mentioned is amazing and very inspiring for all I think

I noticed in the tutorial, that you repeat a mantra alongside you RC's, then say the same mantra as you go to sleep. So is it basically seeding your dream with the mantra? I mean, in the dream, will something happen that relates to your mantra, thus reminding you to RC? just asking.

I've been trying to have a lucid dream using this technique but I haven't had much luck. The last time it worked for me was a few weeks ago and I've been trying ever since. Anyone have any advice?

^^ You might start by keeping in mind that DILD is not a technique

DILD is the name for the transition to lucidity; the moment you are using techniques to induce. DILD = Dream Initiated* Lucid Dream, which means that you become lucid during the dream. You can choose or combine any number of techniques to achieve DILD's, but you would probably do well to learn about MILD, as it is the technique for DILD that covers all the bases.

Also, DILD depends very much on expectation/intention, so be sure to keep up on your daywork, like doing RC's and keeping a dream journal.

*[Just as an aside, the title of this thread is incorrect: the "I" in DILD does indeed stand for "Initiated," and not "Induced." There is no induction going on in a DILD; any induction would have happened before the DILD transition, in order to make it happen. ]

Thank you Sageous:)
So could you say something about the main points below and if they are the main points for Dild - please spread light:wizard:

Reality checks on awakening

Critical questioning in day time combined with RC - through out the day
Awareness combined within the Questioning and RC

Awareness in general throughout ones life " where are you?" " How did you get there?" " Is anything strange going on, out of the ordinary?"

If out of the ordinary thing happen do the above check + RC

Combine the reality check with the firm purposeful feeling/statement that tonight/next time I am dreaming I will recognise the dream state

Before bed spend some time being clear that tonight " I will recognise I am dreaming"

Could you also say more about how DDA is implemented for Dild? Much appreciated:thanks:

I don't have much time, but below are some quick answers/confirmations of your main points of DILD:

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Not critical or a main point, but definitely a good idea; especially if you are often experiencing false awakenings.

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Critical questioning in day time combined with RC - through out the day
Awareness combined within the Questioning and RC

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Definitely a main point, but I recommend that you keep your RC's simple and separate from any awareness exercises or critical questioning. In other words, first simply answer the question, "Is this a dream," and then do the critical questioning (or perhaps imagining that the world you are in is a dream).

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Awareness in general throughout ones life " where are you?" " How did you get there?" " Is anything strange going on, out of the ordinary?"

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Excellent idea for DILD or pretty much anything. I humbly suggest that you look at the "Reverse Reality Check (RRC)" that I mention in my WILD class here... and don't worry; the RRC works just fine for DILD too!

[Full disclosure: that mention of the RRC was the first time I did so, and the RRC concept was refined a bit as the years -- and helpful questions from other dreamers -- went by; if you're feeling intrepid you can look through the WILD Q&A and Lucid Dreaming Fundamentals Q&A for updated info.]

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This never worked for me, so I cannot honestly say it is a main point for DILD, but it is probably worth doing. Why didn't it work for me? Because when you are not lucid, everything is totally normal. Also, when not lucid you run the excellent chance of dreaming something is odd and then doing a RC that confirms that you are not dreaming.

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Again, I would keep this affirmation exercise separate from the RC -- do it after your RC, or at another time altogether. That said, you should be doing this anyway, especially just before going to sleep (aka: setting intention). Also very much a main point for DILD.

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Setting intention is definitely a main point of DILD (and WILD).

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I cannot, because I have no idea for what DDA stands. I hope that doesn't damage my credibility, but I'm an old guy who doesn't necessarily keep up on all the acronyms. ;)

That's what I got; sorry so short...

Thanks I'll keep that in mind!

Thanks Sageous - Being a newbie so this helps a lot in shedding light over at least getting a bare bones of a practice going and sticking to it for a bit. - so I see you have stressed the main point in Dild and Wild is to " setting ones intention"

The critical question or questions I suppose helps one to set ones intention? Could it be said that questioning reality is the main part of :)setting intention?

I will try to do the RC first then look around and question my reality

or as you say maybe at a completely different time - that helps to mix it up through out the day - for example quick reality checks can be done and at other times critical questioning can be done.

Do you think to engage as much as poss in the general mood of questioning reality helps more that RC?

I am realy glad you posted and mention the Wild classes coz I am getting round to coming over soon:)
I have been going through the Tuorials and doing my best not to just jump to wild as it is very intriguing to me indeed but this is a great opportunity to see similaritys in Dild and Wild

DDA is I think - day dream awareness - you did mention above ; when engaging in the critical question to perhaps imagine the world you are in is a dream - can you elaborate on this point perhaps in unison with the idea of daydream awareness or however you would go with that method of imagining/daydreaming - thanks for your time :happyme:

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The critical question or questions I suppose helps one to set ones intention? Could it be said that questioning reality is the main part of :)setting intention?

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No, questioning reality is not the same as setting intention. Setting intention is an act of clear, simple affirmation done just before you go to sleep, helping to get your head in the right place for lucidity, and perhaps setting up a bit of prospective memory come dreamtime. Though daytime work that includes questioning reality might aid in building expectation, just because your thoughts are on dreaming, it really has nothing to do with setting intention.

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I will try to do the RC first then look around and question my reality

or as you say maybe at a completely different time - that helps to mix it up through out the day - for example quick reality checks can be done and at other times critical questioning can be done.

Do you think to engage as much as poss in the general mood of questioning reality helps more that RC?

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All this leads me to one thought: questioning reality is a fine thing to do, but it should not be the only thing you do. To me, that critical question should always have an answer. In other words, when doing your critical questioning you are asking things like: why this place you are in is reality, what would be needed if it were a dream, or perhaps what is dreamlike about the reality through which you are currently wandering. Asking if your waking-life surroundings are not real seems unhelpful to me because you already know the answer:

I have always had a problem with questioning reality during waking-life, because in the end, unless you have some psychological issues or deeply held religious beliefs (say, Buddhist or Hindu), you will always know, innately, that the place you are in is reality, no matter how intricately you ask the questions. Also, come dreamtime, questioning reality during a NLD works exactly as it would in waking-life: you will innately know that the dreamworld you are navigating is real, because you can't remember otherwise. In a sense, questioning reality during a NLD has just as good if not a better likelihood of confirming that you are not dreaming.

What I would suggest instead (or in addition) is questioning the nature of your participation in reality: What is your transaction with your current local reality? What were you doing a few minutes ago? Where will you be in a few minutes? These things establish and strengthen your link with reality, and your self-awareness in the process. If during a NLD you make questions like this, there is a chance (if small) that you will pull in some self-awareness in the process, remember that you did not know where you were a few minutes ago, and become lucid. Plus, if these questions are asked during a LD, your self-awareness and appreciation of the dream being a part of you will increase dramatically, making your lucid experience much more fulfilling.

In brief: You really cannot sanely question reality without knowing the answer before your questions are asked. I would suggest that you ask also (or instead) questions about your participation in reality, or perhaps what aspects of your local reality are dream-like. Or just do a RRC.

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DDA is I think - day dream awareness - you did mention above ; when engaging in the critical question to perhaps imagine the world you are in is a dream - can you elaborate on this point perhaps in unison with the idea of daydream awareness or however you would go with that method of imagining/daydreaming - thanks for your time

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Ah! I didn't know that had an acronym!

I think I already just answered this, but I would make DDA secondary to developing the fundamentals. DDA is a fine exercise, and does help build expectation, but it is, again, just an exercise: you can only imagine that the world you are in is a dream, and you will do so with the full knowledge that your surroundings are quite real. In other words, no matter how elaborate your imaginings may be, you will still know that all this around you is reality, and you will find yourself shrugging off as unreal (or perhaps a little silly) those imaginings.

Again, when you are not lucid the world you are in is just as real to you as reality, so if you find yourself doing this exercise during a NLD you will likely do it in the same way as waking-life, by knowing that you are just imagining that your surroundings are a dream, but they are not.

So: Aside from being a good way to keep your mind on dreaming, building expectations, and perhaps giving you a better perspective of the dream after you are lucid (imagining that your dreamworld is a dream while lucid can yield some excellent results, including greater control and stronger lucidity), questioning reality should not be the sole aspect of your daytime LD work.

I personally believe that daydreams are very different from actual dreams, primarily because you are directly connected to waking-life throughout them: you can snap out of a daydream any time you want (like when the teacher or your boss ask you a question), and the imagery of daydreams tends to spring not from your unconscious building schemata but from your waking-life consciousness summoning things you intentionally wish to think about (that imagery tends to be much more linear as well). Imagining that your world is a dream is very different from a daydream, I think, because daydreams tend to reside in the realm of (intentional) fantasy while imagining the world as a dream is an intellectual exercise wherein you critically examine your surroundings or objects in them and try to redefine them as aspects of dream.

If I implied that daydreaming was the same as any of the stuff I mentioned above, it was not intended. However, this is just my opinion: as this is not my thread, others here might have a different take that is more relevant to the overall conversation here... perhaps daydreaming was discussed in a different context?

Thank you kindly sageous,
I feel what you have given me here is something to think about - not sure if I will get it all right away but I do wish to take a whole hearted look at it:)

I read RRC ( and will read it a few more times !) and must say I am hooked so I am starting with it today.

You mentioned above about questioning your participation in reality as the main point to questioning in your view - as I was doing that today I could get a feeling of the connected ness of us all etc and I suppose in away this view is dreamlike in itself... - so bringing about this truth is in itself pondering the dream state and keeping ones mind on the topic at hand - is that how the it works?

You don't see it as an exercise you see it as the way things are naturally right? It maybe too soon for questions :alien: as I will read through the questions and answers etc - and get back to you on that thread.
In your view is the RRC everything, if done as you intend it to be done?:) I mean in terms of the main daily practice.

DDA wasn't being discussed here at this point as far as I know but I have been reading through the different Practices involved with Dild - and had reached that one - as far as I can see from a complete beginners view it's as you say very much involved with strengthening the LD as well as possibly giving one a chance to recognise the Day dreamed topic in the nld and becoming Lucid -

"Just keep on daydreaming as you fall asleep. You can daydream about anything you want, but it is best to daydream about experiencing a lucid dream. Try not to let your mind become too absorbed by the daydream. You want to remind yourself every 10 seconds or so that you are dreaming. You want to be constantly aware that you're dreaming so that you will be aware and lucid in the real dream. Eventually you will drift off to sleep and into a real dream. Your dream will likely have some of the elements of your daydream and you will hopefully become lucid." It is advised to practice like this sometimes throughout the day too.

Thanks again

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You mentioned above about questioning your participation in reality as the main point to questioning in your view - as I was doing that today I could get a feeling of the connectedness of us all etc and I suppose in away this view is dreamlike in itself... - so bringing about this truth is in itself pondering the dream state and keeping ones mind on the topic at hand - is that how the it works?

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Pretty much. I think the ultimate purpose of the RRC is to solidify your relationship with your local "reality" during the dream, to help you more easily understand and accept while lucid that everything in the dreamworld you are navigating is you: If you can have a RRC mindset during a dream -- one of wondering about your interaction with your local reality, and remembering where you were, are, and will be -- then you will also more easily know without question that the entire world you are navigating is of your own creation, your own mind, thus blending the identity of you the self-aware dreamer with You the dream creator in a non-dual manner... so yes, this view is very dreamlike in itself, potentially.

Be careful when RRC'ing not to get too universal, though: Wonder less about with your connectedness with everyone than about your connectedness with people you are directly interacting with within the time-frame of your RRC (if any). If you start thinking about the "connectedness of us all," then you run the risk of diminishing your perceived contribution to your local reality. From there you start to feel that you are just a small part of this great universe. This is not helpful come dreamtime, because then it becomes more difficult to accept that the entire universe with which you are interacting is being created by you. So keep your RRC's local (this might not have been clear in the first post of the Fundamentals thread, but it gets straightened up in the Q&A that follows).

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It probably would be best to get back to me on that thread, so we don't screw up the integrity of this one (though RRC's work just fine for DILD, I think).

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No, the RRC is only one part of daytime dreamwork. You still should be doing things like regular RC's, working on accessing your memory, keeping a DJ, building expectation with thoughts of dreaming or plans for nocturnal adventures... there is much to be done to get our head in the right place for consistent LDing; I doubt there is one technique that would cover all the mental prep.

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Would you say that DILD works if you can't remember any dreams you have?

I've started doing reality checks since yesterday, and I understand that I won't start becoming lucid right off the bat. I have a mantra and my own RC (Humming a tune and tapping the back of my left hand with my right index finger according to the beat. If I fail this, I will know I'm dreaming), but the only thing that concerned me is that I never remember any dreams I have.

Is this not a problem or should I try another method?

Although recall of lucid dreams (especially as your lucidity skills improve) often tends to be much less of a problem than normal dreams (I've had nights of good lucid dream recall yet virtually no non-lucid dream recall), I still think working on dream recall (by keeping a dream journal, etc.) is still important. Lower-level lucids and semilucids and the non-lucid portions of fully lucid dreams can still be difficult to remember when your dream recall isn't optimal (at least, it seems that way for me). Also, being able to remember non-lucid dreams gives you the opportunity to become familiar with their themes and content and possibly find common patterns and events, which can help you realize you're dreaming during later dreams. Oh yeah, and even non-lucid dreams can be fascinating and fun-filled. ;)

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Would you say that DILD works if you can't remember any dreams you have?

I've started doing reality checks since yesterday, and I understand that I won't start becoming lucid right off the bat. I have a mantra and my own RC (Humming a tune and tapping the back of my left hand with my right index finger according to the beat. If I fail this, I will know I'm dreaming), but the only thing that concerned me is that I never remember any dreams I have.

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1. You can get a lucid dream on day one. Don't think it will take a long time. It might, but it also might not.

2. Why do you feel that RC would fail in a dream? I sing like Pavarotti in my dreams, yet can't carry a tune in waking life. In your dream, what you expect to happen is what will happen.

If you want to keep your RC, that's fine. But I would add a classic one, like looking at hands/counting fingers, thumb/palm, nose pinch.

3. Start a dream journal. Write down everything you remember, even if it's just a tiny detail. If you don't remember anything, write something like "my memory is great and recall getting better every day". Then start thinking about your dreams and remembering them. Set an intent to remember them. Use mantra, like "I wake up after every dream and I remember it". Know that we naturally wake up between sleep cycles, after REM is over. We just don't notice these microawakenings, because we never before cared for our dreams or sleep in general.

4. Lucid dreams are more like daytime events than dreams. Because they happen while we have access to our daytime memory part of the brain. So they are much easier to remember than non lucids. Just make sure if you wake up from a lucid dream, you get up to write it down. If you decide to sleep some more thinking you will remember it in the morning, don't rely on that.

5. Once you practiced one method, it's ok to start practicing for another one. To give yourself better chance to have LD. Since they all happen at different times, they will not clash.

Good luck and happy dreams!

Hi, today im getting dream.. But i feel like im realizing that im dreaming. Im asked myself like "this is dream isn't"
But then in the moment when i tried to gain more conscious. I feel like my head was pressed by something that make me awake from sleeping. Is this normal case for doing dild ?

Sorry bad english

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Hi, today im getting dream.. But i feel like im realizing that im dreaming. Im asked myself like "this is dream isn't"
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No, that sounds like something that will never happen again. Good luck with your next one. Happy dreams :bow:

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No, that sounds like something that will never happen again. Good luck with your next one. Happy dreams :bow:

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Thank you for reply!
This is my first time for realizing im dreaming.. So i feel very exited for that sensation.
I tried many times wild,finger and no result but dild. :)

Okay, yesterday I had a very weird dream (PLEASE READ HERE: This maybe could be my first Lucid-ish dream - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views ) and I was wondering if this was lucid or just my brain attempting to derail me. As it says in my DJ, I remember saying to myself "So this is a lucid dream?" the thing is I was unable to move my legs or my head in my dream, only my arms... Could it be my brain just want's nothing to do with Lucid Dreams or just isn't made for them?

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... Could it be my brain just want's nothing to do with Lucid Dreams or just isn't made for them?

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On the contrary! I think your brain was being a real team-player to show you that it wants something to do with lucid dreams (and might even be made for them), but all it could do was help you with a dose of very low-level lucidity, perhaps as a hint that the door is always open to lucidity for you, just as soon as you are able to learn to effectively summon the waking-life self-awareness necessary to really know you are dreaming and are free, finally to move about your dreamworld easily.

tl;dr: Yes, this was a LD, but a very low level one... congratulations!

Learning to effectively summon the waking life self awareness in to the dream state is really key hay Sageouse...Could you please make a wee step by step on that one for us to ponder just now? Thanks as always :)

I am guessing one learns to be self aware in waking life first then one summons it or is it in the dream state right :alien: But a few pointers from old mans experience is always benificial .:happyface:.

^^ Unfortunately, Patience, this old man really has no step-by-step technique for drawing in self-awareness during a dream, as I am one of those who fall into the "I simply know I am dreaming" school of DILD. But that's not fair at all, is it? So:

As you already mentioned, the real key to DILD success does not take place through techniques done during the dream (i.e., I have found that RC's only tend to work after you suspect you are dreaming; they don't make you lucid).

Instead, it's the daywork that prepares your mind to be interested in being lucid during the dream. I would suggest doing things like: Learning MILD (great for WILD, too); spending much time during the day thinking about being lucid or imagining the world around you is a dream; thinking about what you will do when you realize you are dreaming; and, above all, work very hard on building your self-awareness:

If you have ready access to self-awareness, lucidity is much easier to achieve during the dream. There are lots of exercises for developing self-awareness; I personally use a thing I've lamely called a Reverse Reality Check (RRC), which can be very helpful to establish your self in the moment, and to remember that there is a "You" present in reality, a You that is interacting with it at all times. I talk about it a bit more specifically in the first session of my DVA WILD class, if you are interested. And, of course, do your RC's, because doing them during the day really does help.

In the end, successful DILDs come not from neat tricks or techniques, but from having your mind in the right place for LD'ing when you go to sleep. You simply must be ready to LD, and you will.

I notice that electronics never work in my dreams, yet I can't ever seem to realize that I am dreaming, no matter how absurd the scenario is.

Do you RC? http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...hecks-rcs.html

Things, even crazy ones, normally don't get us lucid. What gets us lucid is our mindset that we are dreaming. No matter what the situation.

I wrote a little article on how to interact with your dream signs and use them to prompt lucidity in your dreams,

Lesson 6: Dream Signs
Posted on January 30, 2016 by admin
In the dreamworld, recognizing dream signs is a very important aspect to prompt lucidity. To teach you to better understand your dream signs we’ll make use of the DILD method (Dream Induced Lucid Dream). A dream induced lucid dream is any dream in which you spontaneously become lucid, for example by walking in to a strange room you’ve never been in before.

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As there are quiet a lot of different types of dream induced lucid dreams, you can spend many hours reading about this specific technique, I’ll be focussing on dream signs causing you to spontaneously become lucid.

What actually are dream signs? Well a dream sign is anything that’ll make you question your reality or anything that proofs you’re dreaming. For example, you’re having a conversation with your pet while dreaming, in reality this is simply impossible, so the talking animal would be a dream sign in this case. To succesfully have a dream induced lucid dream caused by dream signs, you’ll need to achieve a better awareness. You’ll achieve this by regularly peroforming reality checks troughout the day and during these RC’s you can search for dream signs, obviously you won’t find any, but don’t take that for granted. We can categorize dream signs into 4 subtopics;

Inner awareness: You respond different as you normally would, you experience things different and there’s something unusual about your emotions.
Actions: Physical activity doesn’t work the way it ussualy does, actions you or someone else tries to perform won’t have the same outcome as in waking life
Form: The shape or appearance of someone, or an object is unusual. For example if you look in the mirror and your face is smaller.
Situation: The situation or action you’re undergoing is simply impossible in waking life.
I like to mark the parts that could’ve served as a dream sign to ignite my lucidity in my dream journal. This way I’m more involved with my dream signs and I get to know my genre of dream signs.

To have a dream induced lucid dream I recommend you to have a alarm clock wake you up about 90 minutes before you normally would get up, this way you’ll have more vivid dreams and that will make it easier for you to spontaneously become lucid caused by a dream sign that occurred. Good luck, sleep tight!

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Im sorry guys,but i have to tell this, im currently amazed..
Last night i had my very f..ing first dream induced type of lucid dreams.I mean not night last night, but this day..Im telling the full story below.

I havent had any sleep the previous night, i was working on computer, played video games,watching the recently played new washington wizards nba game.ETC, so the night was gone very quickly.
After this i eat something and go to bed and still watching a whole movie(blood ties)
When the movie finished it was 10 AM.
I decided to falling asleep, but couldnt for a long tme, coz my neighbour renovate his apartment...It was very noisy,so i couldnt sleep.I get up lot of times during the day after every 30-40 minutes, i woke up suddenly to the noise very often, and with lot of anger always get up and smoke a cigarettes(single ones :D ) and called him lot of times asking to stop it...

So i've slept during the day about 3-4 hours.I get up about 5pm to start the day,i was eating my breakfast:), and go to the bathroom. About at 6PM i decided go back for a sleep for one hour, i setted alarm, to not get up too late in the evening i've setted the clock to 1/2 8 PM.
(now is almost 8 PM here)

Very important that i was not planned any lucids ,i stopped the waking rc's couple weeks ago,i didnt even think about it.

So here comes how it happened when i get to bed about 6 pm.Fall asleep, start dreaming.
I am 190 cm tall IRL, but i this dream i was next to my parents and i was very small, they were taller with more heads.It was so wierd so i asked them loud, why am i so small now??At this point before i get any answere releazed im dreaming, i knew that, but didnt perform any reality checks YET.
I got super excited,but did not woken up, although i was sure b4, if when i will releaze i 'm going immidiately wake up, but didnt happened.Ahead of me there was someone.I was jumping onto the strangers back, and telling to him i know im dreaming:D
Later on, when i was ahead to my bathroom, i could remember i always wanted to check my palm in my dream, which is never happened b4, although it was always one part of my waking rc's.
So i checked my palm and it was strangely narrow,waw(e?)y, and could see some flashes.So i knew more this only can be a dream.
Although the ld was not long, but i'm still amazed, the feeling of releazing moment.So i have already two wilds and one DILD in my ld history:P

i want to add 2 more little things, because i cant think about something else now.
One of them can be a question too.
-When i first releazed the dream(before performing the rc), becouse of the excitement i was like...my gosh, i have to do something before i wake up, but nothing came to mind, and thats why i jumped onto the back of the stranger, he was the first i could see after the relezation.

-This is interesting, there was a part in the dream when i was still lucid, and i could see a huge naked/treeless scene, i have not been part of it just see it.When u watching a movie and the camera is flying over the scene, u know what i mean?
becouse i was still lucid, i was like: is this maybe a transition to another dream scenario, or is this a fade-away?I didnt know, and actually i still dunno:D Becouse my lucidity was lost after awhile, and not finished the lucid dream.
I hope u know what i meant.

That is great news. I am at a similar stage to yourself. I have had just a couple of DILDs through nose plugs and hand checks. I have not had a WILD yet. The thing for me is to keep going at it. I tend to loose consistency so I am looking forward to the competition and hope to keep it up after that. The beginners competition looks fairly easy and no pressure against competing with experienced lucid dreamers.

WILD is great obviously but i found DILD more magical.It was mind blowing.
No ld's since that time,but i stoped the meditation after a little later that dilds happened,i dont know why..
Couse i used to medtitate those weeks, maybe i has helped to get that ld,i dont know.
i will be back to meditate every day, from now.:)

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Im sorry guys,but i have to tell this, im currently amazed.

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Very important that i was not planned any lucids ,i stopped the waking rc's couple weeks ago,i didnt even think about it.

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People do report that lucids come when they stop trying.

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When i first releazed the dream(before performing the rc), becouse of the excitement i was like...my gosh, i have to do something before i wake up, but nothing came to mind, and thats why i jumped onto the back of the stranger, he was the first i could see after the relezation.

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Mhm, when you become lucid and you didn't prepare any plan or a goal, it can be "omg what will I dooooo?"
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This is interesting, there was a part in the dream when i was still lucid, and i could see a huge naked/treeless scene, i have not been part of it just see it.When u watching a movie and the camera is flying over the scene, u know what i mean?

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I frequently entered a LD when I was flying over a dreamscape in hypnogogic hallucination. So yes, it was most likely another dream just waiting for you to enter it.
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...into-wild.html

Congratulations!

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In order to realize that, we have to teach our minds to ask a question "Am I dreaming?" when in a dream.

This is done by asking the same question during day.

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I think the question, "Is this a dream?"
is FAR better than, "Am I dreaming?"

I came up with, "Is this a dream," after reading Laberge's book and seeing, "Am I dreaming?"
which just feels wrong. Because when you are dreaming, you need to realize that THIS is a dream,
you're not self-aware, you don't realize anything about your own state.
What IS different is what's going on in your environment. It is a dream.

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I think the question, "Is this a dream?"
is FAR better than, "Am I dreaming?"

I came up with, "Is this a dream," after reading Laberge's book and seeing, "Am I dreaming?"
which just feels wrong. Because when you are dreaming, you need to realize that THIS is a dream,
you're not self-aware, you don't realize anything about your own state.
What IS different is what's going on in your environment. It is a dream.

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I wonder whether this differs from person to person and from lucid dream to lucid dream. I cannot remember for sure in previous lucid dreams of mine, but in the most recent one I kind of think I was quite self-aware. Maybe the fact that it was a WILD made a difference in self-awareness level, I think WILDs lend themselves to more self awareness often. And of course being a WILD, I just knew it was a dream, did not have to ask. Hmm, I still think though that even in dreams that are not WILD one can be quite self-aware in some of them. In general the awareness levels of different lucid can vary a lot. And even non-lucid dreams: I have had some dreams where I did not actually reach the conclusion that it was a dream, but my awareness and self awareness level was fairly high for a non-lucid, I think.

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I think the question, "Is this a dream?"
is FAR better than, "Am I dreaming?"

I came up with, "Is this a dream," after reading Laberge's book and seeing, "Am I dreaming?"
which just feels wrong. Because when you are dreaming, you need to realize that THIS is a dream,
you're not self-aware, you don't realize anything about your own state.
What IS different is what's going on in your environment. It is a dream.

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I'm not sure I understand. Both questions seem more or less equivalent to me. If anything, “Am I dreaming?” might be the better one, because it more directly suggests that dreaming is something you are doing, something that is a part of you and that you have control over, which is essential to understand in order to achieve full lucidity. “Is this a dream?”, by comparison, sort of sounds like it is distancing the dreamer from the dream, treating the dream as if it were some separate, independent entity. But maybe I'm reading too much into the wording.

If you are at the point where are asking yourself if you are dreaming in a dream (and it isn't merely a nonlucid dream about asking yourself if you are dreaming), then you have pretty much already begun shifting into self awareness and lucidity. In that case, I don't think the exact phrasing is so important as long as you understand what it really means.

RCs and DILD are really the same thing.

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RCs and DILD are really the same thing.

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Wut? No.

I've had several brief DILD's so far, and am working towards my first WILD. One thing that has seemed to be helpful to me is really simple. I generally leave some extra room after each dream journal entry to add notes later, if I want to. I hand write them each time I wake from a dream using a pen that has a little led on the tip. I always keep my dream journal handy, and throughout the day I'll re-read a few dreams, try to really remember them, even old ones, then spend a few minutes filling up some of the space left for notes with an affirmation such as "I am a lucid dreamer. I often become aware that I am dreaming." Sometimes I will leave a blank page and make a point of filling that page before bed.

I also have a little purple leather bag I made with a few small things I associate with dreaming in it, like some mugwort, a crystal, a silver coin and some yarrow (an herb I have a long relationship with). When I really want to amp up my efforts, I will write "lucid dream tonight" and sign it and date it, like a contract. Then I wad it up small and put it in the bag. So far, it hasn't failed to result in a spontaneous DILD. I remove the note after the dream. I try not to do this too often, so as not to establish a record of failure.

I still do reality checks and all the rest, but the successful DILD's seem to have come from the dream itself. What I mean is that the dream will present me with one or more things so outlandish that I can't help but notice I am dreaming. Often, I'll miss or ignore some obvious clues that I am dreaming, only to have ever more blatant ones show up. Some examples: celebrities, even dead ones, taunting me; hoards of demons and I am the only one who can exorcise them; I notice that I can fly; poorly spelled notes being passed to me; dream characters telling me that I am dreaming. Last night I even ran into (literally) a perfect doppelgänger of myself. When I grabbed his shoulders he smiled and I Knew that I was dreaming.

I think what is happening is that I am embedding an intention in my subconscious effectively enough that even without doing reality checks in my dream, the dream itself makes itself known as a dream.

Edit: a little more research has shown me that what I'm talking about here is called MILD (mnemonic or mantra induced lucid dreaming). As an adjunct to DILD it seems to be working for me. One interesting LD I had seemed to combine RC's as a habit and Mnemonics; I was dreaming (non-lucid) that some dream expert was telling me about an important discovery he'd made. I don't remember the details, but was blown away by his findings. He said, and simultaneously wrote down, "Spock's hero." Then he handed me the paper he wrote that on; it said "Hock's spero," and I became aware that I was dreaming because reading and then re-reading text is one of my reality checks.

Anyway, sorry to clutter up a thread with some stuff that might belong elsewhere, but the overlap of the techniques might help someone improve the odds of a LD.

I usually realize I'm in a dream if something scary is happening, something that normally would be unlikely or impossible. Had 1 two weeks ago, can't get another. Any tips?

A problem I have is I usually wake up a few minutes after becoming lucid

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Please discuss this Dreamviews recommended DILD tutorial here in this thread. Please do not start new threads.

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Hi,
I want to ask about mantras, which way is more right and which is more wrong?
I)Before bed
a)I want to have lucid dream tonight.
b)I will have a lucid dream tonight.
c)other?
II)After WBTB
a)Now I will have a lucid dream.
b)I want a lucid dream now.
c)I will have a lucid dream.
d)Now I will have a lucid dream.
e)other?

I think the answer for the before bed section might be "c) Other."

Though saying "will" is probably better than "want to," there might still be a problem with tense. It is much better to say your mantra in the present rather than future tense. This may sound odd, because you start your mantra before you're asleep, but it really isn't: A mantra is something you take with you into sleep, so if you are repeating a future-tense mantra, like "I will have a lucid dream tonight," you might wind up bringing that future tense into your dream, and your dreaming mind will comply by putting lucidity into the future, always just a bit out of reach (i.e., you might just have a NLD about being lucid later, that lucidity is coming).

Your choices for after WBTB are better, and can certainly be used at bedtime as well. I think the best choice here is a).

Can I offer one other option? The phrase "lucid dream" is a bit abstract. Instead of saying that, maybe you could say something like "I am dreaming," "This is a dream," or perhaps "I know I am dreaming." This way you (and your dreaming mind) don't have to sort out the concept of lucidity when dreamtime comes, so you might more easily come to know you are dreaming.

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A mantra is something you take with you into sleep, so if you are repeating a future-tense mantra, like "I will have a lucid dream tonight," you might wind up bringing that future tense into your dream, and your dreaming mind will comply by putting lucidity into the future, always just a bit out of reach.

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The mantra is for me or for the dreaming mind aka the subconscious? Like:
-Make me lucid tonight! or This night I want a lucid dream! for the dreaming mind
or
-Tonight I will become lucid! for me

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Can I offer one other option? The phrase "lucid dream" is a bit abstract. Instead of saying that, maybe you could say something like "I am dreaming," "This is a dream," or perhaps "I know I am dreaming." This way you (and your dreaming mind) don't have to sort out the concept of lucidity when dreamtime comes, so you might more easily come to know you are dreaming.

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Even if this "this is a dream" come with me inside the dream, what this is gonna do, is it just gonna make my dream more vivid or what?

Do I need to stick with one mantra or I can change them every day?

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The mantra is for me or for the dreaming mind aka the subconscious?

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The mantra is for all of You, StarSeeker, since your unconscious (aka, dreaming mind, as you guessed) is very much a part of you, and not something else. Your mantra should help your waking self by giving you something simple and meaningful to focus on while you are falling asleep, and might just help your dreaming mind because all that focus might make the subject of your mantra a source for the content of your dreams. But, if you can remember that your dreaming mind and your waking self are both you, and not separate entities, lucidity might come much more easily.

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Even if this "this is a dream" come with me inside the dream, what this is gonna do, is it just gonna make my dream more vivid or what?

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It may do nothing at all, but what it might do is supply a bit of content that reminds you that you are dreaming. For instance, if your mantra is, say, "I'm flying!" (mixed hopefully with a carefully set intention that you wish to have a dream about flying, and, importantly, that you will know you are dreaming when you fly), the carefully repeated mantra might install the idea of flight into the content of your dream; and if that happens, and your intention was well set, and you've developed a strong lucid mindset with your daywork, then you might just notice that flying is what you wanted to do lucidly, and realize you are dreaming.

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Do I need to stick with one mantra or I can change them every day?

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That's up to you. I personally tend to use a default mantra, "Here and Now," most of the time, but if I have some specific dream goal I might use a special mantra to thoroughly set that goal in my mind (i.e., "I'm flying!").

So if I use specific intention and fitting mantra for it, will this be like a dream incubation?
Do I need to fully visualize the intention or just use more easier imagination?

^^ Yes, it could be used for dream incubation.

I don't remember right now, but I'm pretty sure that setting intentions, using mantras, and adding visualization is a technique for dream incubation. However, you're only trying to have a DILD here, so you really don't need to do any visualizing (unless you want to). And no, you don't need to visualize your intention, anyway; intention is nothing more than what the word says: you are making clear to yourself that, say, you will remember to remember, or you will be flying. In other words, visualization is separate technique from setting intention; both are good, but they do different things.