Thread: Sild *subliminal Technique*

QUESTION: As far as I understand subliminals , the theory is that the messages bypass the conscious mind and go directly into the subconscious mind. The theory is based on the premise that the conscious mind will resist the desired change and must be bypassed. BUT WHAT IF THE CONSCIOUS MIND WANTS THE CHANGE? Then it won't resist the messages and there is no point in bypassing it using subliminals.

Originally Posted by ZenVortex

QUESTION: As far as I understand subliminals , the theory is that the messages bypass the conscious mind and go directly into the subconscious mind. The theory is based on the premise that the conscious mind will resist the desired change and must be bypassed. BUT WHAT IF THE CONSCIOUS MIND WANTS THE CHANGE? Then it won't resist the messages and there is no point in bypassing it using subliminals.
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Hi ZenVortex,

That's not what subliminals are really about. Your conscious mind can want the change, it can want lots of things but that doesn't mean the subconscious will act on it and bring that change about to you just because you want it. The subconscious mind is the part of your mind that holds its core beliefs, and "processes" information from the outside world automatically. The purpose of subliminals is enabling the instructions to be sent directly to your subconscious mind, for your subconscious to act upon them - without any conscious awareness. The result is the ability to reshape your mind, your abilities, your beliefs, etc. Without the need to consciously practice them... The reason many people think subliminals does not work is because you're basically fighting against old beliefs and habits that have been kept in your subconscious mind your whole life, things like "I dont believe in becoming aware in a dream" or... "I dont think I can do this...or that..." and your mind is very fickle in bringing these contradictions to replace your old beliefs and etc.

Originally Posted by ZenVortex

Okay, I tried using the subliminal messages while listening to the song and watching the visualizations for about 3-5 minutes. Not much has happened yet. I think I might need to do this for a longer period of time. Do I have to do it exactly before I go to bed? And when I do go to bed, can I listen to the song while I sleep, too?
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Hey Lyzek,

You don't have to do it exactly before bed but it's recommended, and the amount of time doing it doesn't really matter but I'd say a good 10 minutes of it is good enough programming for you subconscious. That's a pretty good idea about going to sleep with the music playing, you might hear it in a dream like those other lucid dreaming tracks (LucidRemix) and think..."hmm...i know this....subliminals.....am I dreaming?" and become lucid. Try it out

I tried listening to the sound track while sleeping. I put it in my PSP so I could listen to it during the night. Unfortunatly, the PSP has a battery life of only 2 hours, so I didn't think it would last long enough for me to go REM. I didn't get any LDs yet, but was able to remember 5 dreams. I've also used the subliminal messaging program while using the procedure you described. I still haven't gotten any LDs yet. Are you sure this method will work? It hasn't worked for me yet. I'm even using the program as I type.

Originally Posted by Lyzek

I tried listening to the sound track while sleeping. I put it in my PSP so I could listen to it during the night. Unfortunatly, the PSP has a battery life of only 2 hours, so I didn't think it would last long enough for me to go REM. I didn't get any LDs yet, but was able to remember 5 dreams. I've also used the subliminal messaging program while using the procedure you described. I still haven't gotten any LDs yet. Are you sure this method will work? It hasn't worked for me yet. I'm even using the program as I type.
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Hi,

No I'm not sure this method will work for everyone. Everyone is different, so it may have little to no effect on you while to another it may have amazing effects. But don't be discouraged! Don't limit yourself as to what you can and cannot do, that'll just create barriers in your subconscious mind which are very hard to break down. I use this technique and it takes 3 days for me to see results, so keep trying and don't be discouraged, keep a positive mind and believe that it's working for you. Even if it isn't just believe...you might be surprised to find yourself lucid tonight or the night after.

You're right. If I expect it to be working, it may in fact work. Heck, it improved my Dream Recall. If it did that, I think it could help me get some more LDs. I'll keep trying this and see what I get.

Yeah so I have been trying this for a few days now, and I like it. Last night I finally had some results. Unfortunately, I wasn't really completely lucid, it was like I was really even just half in control of myself.

The dream was following a sort of, storyline, because I had to help somebody. I probably would have, if lucid, screwed this over and gone to do something else. Like bargain with my subconscious about having more lucids... but anyway. So from what I remember, I probably would have done most of the things I did had I actually wanted to stick with that scenario, if I was lucid. So I was a bit in control. And from what I remember, since you told us to read the affirmation's sentences that will pop up Sythix, there was one that said "I am omnipotent in my dreams" I think I got stuck with this, except not really as lucid as I should have been. I was walking around with friends and I'd just do random stuff since I was all powerful. I would stop time for one, so he was frozen, and a few other things to the same guy, heh, but I can't remember.

And plus this was the closest I have gotten to a lucid dream since my second one which was like... in the beginning of summer : / I guess the whole fact that I could stay up now ruined my sleeping in summer and ruined my dreams But at least I'm close to getting the bit I had of lucid dreaming back now.

So the only flaw I can see if this works is that the words that do get into your subconscious, might just be telling you about dream control and not lucidity. So you could wake up from a dream, and you just did all these crazy things because you had practically full dream control, but you weren't lucid! XD

Originally Posted by Chatter

I've ran brain bullet for 2 days (I think) while I surf on these forums and nothing changed.

I'm about to do a 5 min session (Maybe more, but my parents and sister might think I'm a lil weird if they see me "meditating" with subliminal messages )

I will post my results tomorrow if I can.
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I think most definatly you have to use it more than the 5 min I did. I think I will try it longer but using some of my favorite songs.

It may just be my shit computer, but when it flashes, it just shows a section of my background really fast?

Just thought I'd mention some things I didn't earlier... which probably were relevant... but I wasn't thinking at all... o.0 Anyways, I was cold so I grabbed a blanket and laid on the couch next to my computer watching TV, and whenever I felt really sleepy I was telling myself to try and stay awake even though I didn't wanna get of my warm blanket heh. I wanted to get up and use brainbullet for a bit, because I don't think I had that day... but then I woke up at like 5 am, and I was like "crap, fell asleep... I don't feel like doing brainbullet now", turned off my computer, and went up... but now, even though I was very sleepy, and the last thoughts I can remember thinking (though there may have been more) were about lucid dreaming. I was hoping for a lucid dream. I guess that's about it.

Edit (10/9/06): Happened again last night. No lucidity, but completely god-like powers. It was night and I was in a house, and I decided that I wanted it to be day time. Looked out one window, was on the wrong side and hte moon wasn't there, so went to the other side of the room. Looked out at the window at a normal real life moon, and willed it to move faster. Suddenly it was gaining momentum, and I think at this point it just appeared to look much bigger and closer. MUCH. It was huge, but not like covering my complete view of the night. So anyway eventually it went down and the sun came up. I don't remember the dream all that well since I wasn't lucid, but I'm pretty sure I went out of the house with friends and it was dark again and I didn't really care nor remember... XD

Originally Posted by The

Yeah so I have been trying this for a few days now, and I like it. Last night I finally had some results. Unfortunately, I wasn't really completely lucid, it was like I was really even just half in control of myself.

The dream was following a sort of, storyline, because I had to help somebody. I probably would have, if lucid, screwed this over and gone to do something else. Like bargain with my subconscious about having more lucids... but anyway. So from what I remember, I probably would have done most of the things I did had I actually wanted to stick with that scenario, if I was lucid. So I was a bit in control. And from what I remember, since you told us to read the affirmation's sentences that will pop up Sythix, there was one that said "I am omnipotent in my dreams" I think I got stuck with this, except not really as lucid as I should have been. I was walking around with friends and I'd just do random stuff since I was all powerful. I would stop time for one, so he was frozen, and a few other things to the same guy, heh, but I can't remember.

And plus this was the closest I have gotten to a lucid dream since my second one which was like... in the beginning of summer : / I guess the whole fact that I could stay up now ruined my sleeping in summer and ruined my dreams But at least I'm close to getting the bit I had of lucid dreaming back now.

So the only flaw I can see if this works is that the words that do get into your subconscious, might just be telling you about dream control and not lucidity. So you could wake up from a dream, and you just did all these crazy things because you had practically full dream control, but you weren't lucid! XD
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Hey,

I really didn't say to pay any conscious attention to the subliminal messages but...lol if it's working for you that way by all means go ahead and continue! The sublimal messages on the preset for Brain Bullet do have messages pertaining to achieving awareness within a dream, including ones about controlling. You can always edit the preset and add your own messages. Just make sure to keep them SHORT and POSITIVE. You may also try to use a different perspective instead of "I" use "You" - whichever works best for YOU.

Originally Posted by The

It may just be my shit computer, but when it flashes, it just shows a section of my background really fast?
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Don't worry about that, lol. It happens on my computer too but it goes away as soon as you focus on a window other than the desktop or if you click on the desktop it'll go away too.

Originally Posted by The

Just thought I'd mention some things I didn't earlier... which probably were relevant... but I wasn't thinking at all... o.0 Anyways, I was cold so I grabbed a blanket and laid on the couch next to my computer watching TV, and whenever I felt really sleepy I was telling myself to try and stay awake even though I didn't wanna get of my warm blanket heh. I wanted to get up and use brainbullet for a bit, because I don't think I had that day... but then I woke up at like 5 am, and I was like "crap, fell asleep... I don't feel like doing brainbullet now", turned off my computer, and went up... but now, even though I was very sleepy, and the last thoughts I can remember thinking (though there may have been more) were about lucid dreaming. I was hoping for a lucid dream. I guess that's about it.

Edit (10/9/06): Happened again last night. No lucidity, but completely god-like powers. It was night and I was in a house, and I decided that I wanted it to be day time. Looked out one window, was on the wrong side and hte moon wasn't there, so went to the other side of the room. Looked out at the window at a normal real life moon, and willed it to move faster. Suddenly it was gaining momentum, and I think at this point it just appeared to look much bigger and closer. MUCH. It was huge, but not like covering my complete view of the night. So anyway eventually it went down and the sun came up. I don't remember the dream all that well since I wasn't lucid, but I'm pretty sure I went out of the house with friends and it was dark again and I didn't really care nor remember... XD
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Interesting how your subconscious is just picking up the messages about dream control rather than dream awareness and lucidity. Maybe you should try to edit out the ones about dream control and just keep in the ones about attaining lucidity?

Can anyone read some of these? I don't know if it's the speed reading lessons or what but if i concentrate, on the 10 milisecond setting i can read some of them.

Also, which do you guys guy? Concentrate on the words, or just trance out and let your eyes go out of focus?

Originally Posted by Sinar

Can anyone read some of these? I don't know if it's the speed reading lessons or what but if i concentrate, on the 10 milisecond setting i can read some of them.

Also, which do you guys guy? Concentrate on the words, or just trance out and let your eyes go out of focus?
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Yeah, I can read them if I concetrate on them, it's pretty easy. But that's not the purpose of subliminal messaging. You should try trancing out and letting your eyes focus on a visualization on the screen or something else that will distract you from reading the messages - that way the subliminals will be picked up by your subconscious mind. You can also try concetrating on the words as The Dreamer Soul has done, it works for him that way - but like I said that's not really what subliminal messaging is about. Lol, but whatever works

Originally Posted by Sythix

Hey,

I really didn't say to pay any conscious attention to the subliminal messages but...lol if it's working for you that way by all means go ahead and continue! The sublimal messages on the preset for Brain Bullet do have messages pertaining to achieving awareness within a dream, including ones about controlling. You can always edit the preset and add your own messages. Just make sure to keep them SHORT and POSITIVE. You may also try to use a different perspective instead of "I" use "You" - whichever works best for YOU.
Don't worry about that, lol. It happens on my computer too but it goes away as soon as you focus on a window other than the desktop or if you click on the desktop it'll go away too.
Interesting how your subconscious is just picking up the messages about dream control rather than dream awareness and lucidity. Maybe you should try to edit out the ones about dream control and just keep in the ones about attaining lucidity?
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I didn't mean I'm trying to read them when they flash, or am (though unfortunately I catch a word or two while staring into the center of the visualization). I thought at some point you said to read the affirmations beforehand, just so you know what is going into your head. And if you didn't, that one post listed them. And I just happened to remember the omnipotence one XD

Originally Posted by The

I didn't mean I'm trying to read them when they flash, or am (though unfortunately I catch a word or two while staring into the center of the visualization). I thought at some point you said to read the affirmations beforehand, just so you know what is going into your head. And if you didn't, that one post listed them. And I just happened to remember the omnipotence one XD
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Oh!! Yes, yes. Reading the affirmations before flashing them will help you build an acceptance consciously which will seep into the subconscious mind therefore allowing the subliminals to go in easier. Because, if you're just flashing subliminals and you don't know what they are... you might start to worry and this will cause your subconscious to create blocks. You don't want that. Subliminals that you are unaware of (like ones flashed in a movie or something) those have no choice but to go straight to the subconscious and your subconscious then acts upon it.

Ran the following messages for about 5 hours a day for one week using Subliminal Blaster Pro during normal computer use. Time = 0.02 seconds, Interval = 1 second. Total messages per hour = 3,600. Total messages per day = 18,000. Total messages per week = 126,000. No lucidity. At first the messages were annoying, then I got used to them and consciously ignored them.

Vivid Dreams Tonight
Lucid Dreams Tonight
Realize Dreams Tonight
Awaken Dreams Tonight
Conscious Dreams Tonight
Recognize Dreams Tonight

are you suposte to look at the computer screen as you go to sleep

The point is to have to running, while you're listening to some trance relaxing music. You could do some surfing while having it running fx.

126,000 subliminal messages in one week and no lucidity was a surprising result. Maybe its necessary to do it for a longer period of time, perhaps a couple of weeks or more... The program itself is good, doesn't crash my computer, but the lack of results is surprising. Anyone else tried this?

Perhaps a single message such as "Conscious Dreams Tonight" or "Conscious Dreaming Every Dream" would be better. More concentrated. The reason I prefer "conscious" over "lucid" is because "conscious" is something the mind does every day, whereas "lucid" is vague and doesn't really mean anything.

will any of this work on a Mac? I have a PC but can't download on my file (plus my computer is cramed full of other things.) Plus I think I'll be getting quite a few questions from my sister and parents... followed by about a month or two of being thought of as insane

This is absolutely incredible! Thanks so much for finding this stuff, I'll be sure to post any results I have.

I dont get this brian bullet thing,
i downloaded it from the link
i dwnloaded the music track ive got tht
i dwnlaoded win.ra wotever tht is
and now wen i open brian bullet i get a page called brian bullet, (evaluation copy)
with file, command, tools, option and so on at the top,
I dont udnerstand how I'm to use it
if someone could give a detailed explanation how to make it work?
Thank you
Imran

HI!

Just a question, where should i fixate my eyes on the screen?? Because if i fixate them right where the words flash my consious mind attempts to read it and i unfortunately succeed due to that i'm a good reader.

Originally Posted by BohmaN

HI!

Just a question, where should i fixate my eyes on the screen?? Because if i fixate them right where the words flash my consious mind attempts to read it and i unfortunately succeed due to that i'm a good reader.
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You should then put the option on to have it randomly flash on the screen, your subconscious will still pick it up like this way so it's okay as long as it's in your peripheral vision.

Okey, thanks!

Just another question, I'm from Sweden so should i translate the lines? I understand everything that they say but will it be easier if they are in Swedish, because i usually "dream in Swedish" ?