Aliens.

Before everyone reads what I say next, know that its not toward anyone in particular, I'm just throwing it out there. I just think that a definitive "No there isn't any life outside our planet, at all, period." is pretty narrow-minded and limiting. I know I sound hypocritical when I say I've seen UFOs, but again I'm speaking from personal experience. I've experienced something I've personally believed to be UFOs. So have others. BUT, you can't personally see ALL of the universe and assume that there's no life out there, because NO ONE has gone out and seen the entire universe or solved the mysteries thereof. If someone did go out, personally experience everything in the universe, and find no source of conclusive life, then I'd be down with that. But seeing that we havn't come close to that, I'm betting that what I saw were really UFOs, if not something extremely odd.

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Oh boy...

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I stopped reading at "boy". Nobody can say it's impossible. Nobody.

You don't have to respond because I won't read your reply, there is no point "arguing" (or whatever you are trying to prove).

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Before everyone reads what I say next, know that its not toward anyone in particular, I'm just throwing it out there. I just think that a definitive "No there isn't any life outside our planet, at all, period." is pretty narrow-minded and limiting. I know I sound hypocritical when I say I've seen UFOs, but again I'm speaking from personal experience. I've experienced something I've personally believed to be UFOs. So have others. BUT, you can't personally see ALL of the universe and assume that there's no life out there, because NO ONE has gone out and seen the entire universe or solved the mysteries thereof. If someone did go out, personally experience everything in the universe, and find no source of conclusive life, then I'd be down with that. But seeing that we havn't come close to that, I'm betting that what I saw were really UFOs, if not something extremely odd.

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We haven't even explored a fraction of our own oceans, much less "our" own universe. You did see something that wasn't created or operated by humans, and no one can take that away from you. Yes, it is 100% completely close / narrow minded to say there is absolutely no life out there other than on planet Earth. And I'm saying all types of life: intelligent life, inorganic life, simple life, or other life forms that we can't even comprehend. It's all life, and it's all important.

But they can see for themselves pretty soon, we are extremely close to proving there is at least microbial and bacterial life on other planets. In fact as other people have mention on here, we have evidence of fossilized bacteria/microscopic life in-cased in meteorites that have hit Earth and have been preserved due to the cold climates on Earth or just the extremely hard rock they have been sealed in. We have also found proof that there is liquid water on other planets. In my opinion I don't even think you need liquid H2O to harvest life-forms (no matter how small or big), you just need a liquid to suffice (such as liquid nitrogen - can't remember the planet name [might be in our solar system?] but there are massive lakes of liquid nitrogen that could possibly hold some forms of life, no matter how different).

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Originally Posted by Man of Shred

I'm an alien and I've come from far away.... just to rape your cows.

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Also does anyone want to discuss the cow mutations? Or whatever you call what is happening to them? I saw another special on the Discovery channel the other day that discussed how the cows were being neatly slaughtered and harvested. I haven't really thought up any theories or anything, so I'd just like to throw it out there to see what you guys think.

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Originally Posted by Motumz

I stopped reading at "boy". Nobody can say it's impossible. Nobody.

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I never said it was impossible. You've drawn your own conclusion. I also suggest you not appeal to ignorance on the matters regarding the existence of aliens.

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You don't have to respond because I won't read your reply, there is no point "arguing" (or whatever you are trying to prove).

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Do you have a confirmation bias?

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I'm an alien and I've come from far away.... just to rape your cows.

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Also does anyone want to discuss the cow mutations? Or whatever you call what is happening to them? I saw another special on the Discovery channel the other day that discussed how the cows were being neatly slaughtered and harvested. I haven't really thought up any theories or anything, so I'd just like to throw it out there to see what you guys think.

Some of you are walking along railroad tracks! You can try other places as well, pools of water in a creek in the woods, a place where two creeks come together, natural cave-like places, on top of hills, in deserts. If you see an object all by itself in a vast empty space, that is a good place to look, also behind the toilet, in corners of rooms, in places where dust collects, under the kitchen sink...

But, what exactly do these look like or are perceived as? Are they like the inorganic beings mentioned in the article, or are they pronounced and perceivable? I have tons of railroad tracks around my college town, but I'm still not sure what they're supposed to be like, and if I actually encountered some that night or not.

I'm tired so I'm not going to review every post now :p But here are some of my thoughts on UFOs and aliens and such...

1) UFOs.....someone explain to me why highly advanced races would come to Earth, maybe traveling thousands of light years, just to make some pit stop here on Earth in the middle of nowhere. One would assume intelligent beings would naviagte towards things like the lights of New York and other big cities. Instead of (usually) ending up somewhere in the desert looking for a redneck to snatch up lol. So I'm not saying Alien UFOs don't exist, but too me it all seems so illogical for intelligent beings. I also can see how they may have been here in our past. From what I understand, the ancient alien theory sounds more plausible in that there were aliens all over the world at once, teaching people, not just harvesting them or whatever lol. It wasn't just a small lone spaceship.
2)I do believe in Aliens, of all walks of life as we know, macrolife, animals..etc..but I also can believe that we might just be the most intelligent, we might be the aliens other worlds are waiting for. And we are far away from even reaching the nearest planet, let alone the next nearest start system.
3) People who say they were hypnotized and say they recall alien abductions and such..well I don't believe them..not saying they are straight up liars. I think they probably do believe it, but the problem with hypnosis is there can be implanted memories from the hypnist (sp?).
4) And I think a lot of home Alien encounters can be easily explained in terms we all understand, as do most ghosts stories I hear...personally I believe anyone who has ever been abducted from bed, seen ghosts, or any paranormal thing can simple be chalked up to misunderstood SP halluecinations :p

So those are some of my random thoughts, like I said I'm tired so sorry if it's nonsense rambling lol

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Some of you are walking along railroad tracks! You can try other places as well, pools of water in a creek in the woods, a place where two creeks come together, natural cave-like places, on top of hills, in deserts. If you see an object all by itself in a vast empty space, that is a good place to look, also behind the toilet, in corners of rooms, in places where dust collects, under the kitchen sink...

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Dude I'm now totally lost. It almost sounds like you're just fuckin' with us now.. :P though I know you aren't.

I need to know whether or not you can actually physically see them with our eyes, or is it a mind's eye type of being? Where it's image passes through our physical eyes but goes straight to the brain for it to be perceived there. I frequently see smoke running alone the walls, and shadows morphing and moving. I also see ghost type being a lot. Just a translucent humanoid (I think) walking in one direction for a couple seconds... then disappears. Are these what you're talking about?

I'm going to spend all this weekend looking for what you are talking about. Though, to be honest I'm going to be spending most of my time with my neighbor and his big-ass telescope. Jupiter man! It looks so beautiful from here, and even more amazing from his telescope.

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Dude I'm now totally lost. It almost sounds like you're just fuckin' with us now.. :P though I know you aren't.

I need to know whether or not you can actually physically see them with our eyes, or is it a mind's eye type of being? Where it's image passes through our physical eyes but goes straight to the brain for it to be perceived there. I frequently see smoke running alone the walls, and shadows morphing and moving. I also see ghost type being a lot. Just a translucent humanoid (I think) walking in one direction for a couple seconds... then disappears. Are these what you're talking about?

I'm going to spend all this weekend looking for what you are talking about. Though, to be honest I'm going to be spending most of my time with my neighbor and his big-ass telescope. Jupiter man! It looks so beautiful from here, and even more amazing from his telescope.

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Schrizophrenia?

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Schizophrenia?

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My dad's mother had Schizophrenia, I'm not sure it was hereditary though. The 'ghosts' I mentioned were drug induced, so of course they would be called out as an immediate hallucination, that's why I didn't tell you it was drug induced. I see them when I take a tiny dose of a certain drug (it's common, but not usually at that dose), but I find it odd I see and hear them on such a small dose, so I just thought I'd add it in there. But hey, I believe certain hallucinogenic drugs open up a mental portal of another reality, so maybe I'm / others are just peaking in on something that is there, but our serotonin based reality doesn't let us see. Just kind of a theory that I've been working on.. as well as a few others I've come across over the internet. Sounds crazy but it's whatever, I don't full out think it's true, again just a lil personal theory.

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I'm tired so I'm not going to review every post now :p But here are some of my thoughts on UFOs and aliens and such...

1) UFOs.....someone explain to me why highly advanced races would come to Earth, maybe traveling thousands of light years, just to make some pit stop here on Earth in the middle of nowhere. One would assume intelligent beings would naviagte towards things like the lights of New York and other big cities. Instead of (usually) ending up somewhere in the desert looking for a redneck to snatch up lol. So I'm not saying Alien UFOs don't exist, but too me it all seems so illogical for intelligent beings. I also can see how they may have been here in our past. From what I understand, the ancient alien theory sounds more plausible in that there were aliens all over the world at once, teaching people, not just harvesting them or whatever lol. It wasn't just a small lone spaceship.
2)I do believe in Aliens, of all walks of life as we know, macrolife, animals..etc..but I also can believe that we might just be the most intelligent, we might be the aliens other worlds are waiting for. And we are far away from even reaching the nearest planet, let alone the next nearest start system.
3) People who say they were hypnotized and say they recall alien abductions and such..well I don't believe them..not saying they are straight up liars. I think they probably do believe it, but the problem with hypnosis is there can be implanted memories from the hypnist (sp?).
4) And I think a lot of home Alien encounters can be easily explained in terms we all understand, as do most ghosts stories I hear...personally I believe anyone who has ever been abducted from bed, seen ghosts, or any paranormal thing can simple be chalked up to misunderstood SP halluecinations :p

So those are some of my random thoughts, like I said I'm tired so sorry if it's nonsense rambling lol

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I like the SP theory, but what is weird about the in-bed abductions, is they ALL have very similar characteristics, which leads me back to the alien thing.

As for the "why would aliens come to us?".. well, where else are they supposed to go? Land on stars? No haha. They probably are just curious maybe? Learn more about the different civilizations of space, I know that's what I want to know more of. What I think other aliens species (that are advanced enough to travel the cosmos) are trying to spread their own race through-out the universe to keep their one race going if they happen to die out. So honestly, we could be one of them, and they are just returning to keep an eye out on us.

Isn't it ironic that all the people that see aliens everywhere on Earth are heavily into drugs...

no so much ironic as prophetic, i think

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Isn't it ironic that all the people that see aliens everywhere on Earth are heavily into drugs...

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So basically over the last 10,000 years every person that has ever witnessed aliens are "heavily" into drugs? Every ancient text (including the bible) that mentions alien visitations were written by people on drugs? I also find it just plain stupid that you used the word "all". Do you ever stop and think before posting?

I'm not even going to continue, because your post is just that pathetic.

Excuse me if your post was a joke, it doesn't look to be though. It's just really sad that you would respect a person's alien experience better, if they weren't into the occasional drug use.

Just an observation off of this site. While you may think it's pathetic for someone to see a connection between drug use (especially psychedelic) and "alien experiences", some of the "experiences" in this thread (and the certainty of which the posters claim that they are alien related) border on insanity.

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Just an observation off of this site. While you may think it's pathetic for someone to see a connection between drug use (especially psychedelic) and "alien experiences", some of the "experiences" in this thread (and the certainty of which the posters claim that they are alien related) border on insanity.

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I might of worded it wrong, I didn't mean it's pathetic to see the connection, I meant it was just wrong to hold a higher respect for people's experiences who haven't use drugs. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

You don't have to name names, but what alien experiences would you call border line insanity? I honestly haven't seen anything I thought was "too far fetched", but I guess that's just me.

mention of any experience is completely insane. i've often imagined how beneficial the expression silence is golden would play out on a legitimate claim. that's ironic

For me personally, I am not "heavily into drugs", and I was able to witness UFOs.

And if you go here: ndxLocOut it shows UFO reports by month, and it has 411 for august alone. And these are just the ones reported, there are undoubtedly many, such as my own, which go unreported.

An UK disclosure of UFO police reports news article: Official UFO Reports – British Government Releases Thousands of Secret UFO Documents | MyWayBusiness.com

U.S. Government documents about and related to UFO phenomenon: Blue Book Archive

These are just some examples showing that this isn't something crazy; this stuff has been noticed and documented by our world's governments. They know that UFOs are here, and they know that normal every-day citizens see them. The higher-ups in this world know more of whats going on than we do, and since "normal" people have seen UFOs, certain military and government officials definitely have seen them and know that we've seen them too. And I don't think people were on drugs when they posted the thousands of UFO documents, or the hundreds of reports of UFOs by normal every-day people. Sometimes you just happen to look up into the sky, and then you just happen to see one.

Once aliens contact us, we'll be in good hands. :)

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For me personally, I am not "heavily into drugs", and I was able to witness UFOs.

And if you go here: ndxLocOut it shows UFO reports by month, and it has 411 for august alone. And these are just the ones reported, there are undoubtedly many, such as my own, which go unreported.

An UK disclosure of UFO police reports news article: Official UFO Reports – British Government Releases Thousands of Secret UFO Documents | MyWayBusiness.com

U.S. Government documents about and related to UFO phenomenon: Blue Book Archive

These are just some examples showing that this isn't something crazy; this stuff has been noticed and documented by our world's governments. They know that UFOs are here, and they know that normal every-day citizens see them. The higher-ups in this world know more of whats going on than we do, and since "normal" people have seen UFOs, certain military and government officials definitely have seen them and know that we've seen them too. And I don't think people were on drugs when they posted the thousands of UFO documents, or the hundreds of reports of UFOs by normal every-day people. Sometimes you just happen to look up into the sky, and then you just happen to see one.

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Great post! I'll be visiting those links as well tomorrow. Should be a good read.

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Ehhhhhhh, I don't entirely believe what the article says, since I think aliens are already here. But none the less, any form of official alien contact / discoveries will be a great start to a great future for this planet.

Sanity and insanity! I find it ironic how small-minded many "sane" people are, only to freak out and go into denial when confronted with an experience that they cannot reconcile with their world-view. Motumz, I haven't visited this thread in a while. Your experiences are a good start. Also, the conceptual mind might mis-identify something. When you hear a sound that you cannot identify, you become alert. But what about the sounds you can identify? Sometimes we automatically unconsciously mis-identify sensory information prematurely because it is efficient for our minds to not be aware. But be aware!

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Sanity and insanity! I find it ironic how small-minded many "sane" people are, only to freak out and go into denial when confronted with an experience that they cannot reconcile with their world-view. Motumz, I haven't visited this thread in a while. Your experiences are a good start. Also, the conceptual mind might mis-identify something. When you hear a sound that you cannot identify, you become alert. But what about the sounds you can identify? Sometimes we automatically unconsciously mis-identify sensory information prematurely because it is efficient for our minds to not be aware. But be aware!

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LSD reverts the mind's sensory system so everything alerts your brain like it is something new. I've actually learned to clean my mind's slate, after a renewing trip on LSD. Overtime I've come to like the natural way a lot better, but it still works.

But yea, I had my first.. "thing" sighting? Friday night, completely sober, laying down and about to meditate and listen to Shpongle... when I see these tiny little orbs flying over my lava lamp. At first I thought it was just dust reflecting the lava light. But when I got closer, some would stay, and some would disappear. On closer inspection, they were actually omitting light. - This actually frightened me, I ran to my bathroom and made sure my eyes weren't dilated; they weren't. So I checked my stash and made sure I hadn't accidentally taken something; I didn't. I walked back to the orbs, and tried touching one. I didn't exactly touch it, but I did...... feel it? My finger passed through it, but I still felt this icy hot sensation INSIDE my finger. The moment I put my finger through it, I felt as if an unknown Psychedelic was coming on. I kept seeing these weird little translucent dark shapes floating around. Every time I saw one, I'd get a super intense euphoric feeling. I'd also like to note, my perception of time would change every time I would see the beings / things. But here is the weird thing, the more I saw, the more "realer" time got, and the more smoother reality felt. I really felt connected to them. But, right when I got comfortable with the little critters, they disapeared. Not exactly disapeared though, more like flew at me, but flew away at the same time. Or almost like imploding on itself.

I still feel very different, three days later. Sadly I haven't seen them again, but this has seriously persuaded me to pack a small bag and go off on my own adventure. I'll be going off to the outer limits of the near by boon-docks (middle of no where). I'll be spending the weekend by myself, and just sleep on the ground. I figured I'll start off on the near by railroad tracks, and walk to the next town, or until I find a nice small body of water (like you suggested). After that, I will either walk back or hitch a ride.

I think it's best for me to stay completely sober for another week, and to meditate on the previous experience. Dannon, do you have any tips or something to help me let go of my homelife before I set off next weekend? Basically I just want it to be nature, the beings, the stars, and my undevided consciousness. - I have a feeling this coming weekend will be a very positive experience, whether or not I get the privilege to see any beings of any sort.

Oh and, has anyone seen these orbs or floating shapes (they were kind of 3D like shapes)? I'm not really talking about the "ghost orbs" people report, though they could be the same thing. I just don't think they're ghosts, or even spirits for that matter. They seemed too.. divine to be anything near that.

I havn't seen any orbs lately, although I was going to check out this: www.netliberty.net/dreamachine.html . Basically you close your eyes and face it, then it initiates a trance/meditative state. I have been remembering bits from a couple past lives of mine though lately, which has been blowing my mind, but it shows that having an openness and awareness lets you be able to tune into these different things.

Hey Dannon Oneironaut the inorganic beings you talk about. Would those be reptilians that I keep hearing about that exist at a slightly higher dimension and take the form as humans and are the leaders of countries and corporations that are responsible for the NWO? I also heard this is why leaders have pure bloodlines that go back in history or something. Its an interesting theory. whats your take on it?

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Hey Dannon Oneironaut the inorganic beings you talk about. Would those be reptilians that I keep hearing about that exist at a slightly higher dimension and take the form as humans and are the leaders of countries and corporations that are responsible for the NWO? I also heard this is why leaders have pure bloodlines that go back in history or something. Its an interesting theory. whats your take on it?

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I've heard of that before haha. But if they live on another dimension, how do they get here? Just wondering.


@ Neo: There is a simpler technique to. Just close your eyes, look in the direction of the sun (not straight at it) and then move your opened hand infront of your eyes quickly (up and down) and you will start seeing strobes. Then "hallucinations". I've seen several beings, but details are pretty groggy.

The dream machine works better though. The first time I tried it (just now) I saw a baby's face. Quite detailed, unlike the method I told you about. Pretty interesting.