Your take on this?

[LucidFlanders]

I got bored so i decided to look at NDE stuff on youtube again, and the NDE forums. There was a thread with this. Famous Cardiac Surgeon's Stories of Near Death Experiences in Surgery - YouTube Thoughts?

[Arch]

Apparently, (Who knows if its true) there is a bond which holds your spirit body to your physical body, as you die, this begins to break and you slip into an OBE. A copy from wiki. A common belief is that the subtle body is attached to the physical body by means of a psychic silver cord.[17][18] The final chapter of the Biblical Book of Ecclesiastes is often cited in this respect;[19] "before the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be shattered at the fountain, or the wheel be broken at the cistern"

[LucidFlanders]

Yeah i have read about all that. I was just wondering about the guys 2 stories. 1 person was literally dead for 20 minutes and randomly came back to life, and had saw the 2 guys thinking and talking what they could have done better, which was just before 20 minutes, but past 6 minutes (which is brain death, and if you did come back somehow you would be a vegitable). Then the 2nd one where they let the guy die because it was physically impossible to stop the bleeding, they let him die only to all at the exact same time freeze because everyone in that surgery room felt a presence. I'd also like to hear someone who can break this down in a way it can be possible for this to happen. Like Pam Reynolds (RIP, she died for real last year and i just found out), where there is evidence that she had this happen BEFORE she died.

[Alric]

Sounds like an incompetent doctor. They gave him to much anesthesia and his heart couldn't beat on its own, so it relied on the machine. They thought he was dead and turned off the anesthesia, and slowly his heart started to beat stronger and stronger as time went by, until it was back to normal. He even said that the anesthesolgist hadn't eaten anything all day, I say that is probably why he wasn't as aware as he should of been. You need to eat and be well rested(another problem with doctors) to be clear headed. It all adds up to incompetence, not anything supernatural. Also you are not dead, just because someone declares you are dead. A person saying "your dead" doesn't actually have any effect on your body at all. As long as the cells in your body are still funcitioning and has blood and oxygen, you are alive, regardless of your legal status. Which is another sign of incompetence, that they declared him dead way before they should have.

[LucidFlanders]

Sounds like an incompetent doctor. They gave him to much anesthesia and his heart couldn't beat on its own, so it relied on the machine. They thought he was dead and turned off the anesthesia, and slowly his heart started to beat stronger and stronger as time went by, until it was back to normal. He even said that the anesthesolgist hadn't eaten anything all day, I say that is probably why he wasn't as aware as he should of been. You need to eat and be well rested(another problem with doctors) to be clear headed. It all adds up to incompetence, not anything supernatural. Also you are not dead, just because someone declares you are dead. A person saying "your dead" doesn't actually have any effect on your body at all. As long as the cells in your body are still funcitioning and has blood and oxygen, you are alive, regardless of your legal status. Which is another sign of incompetence, that they declared him dead way before they should have. Anything before 6 minutes and you're not dead (just clinically dead), but the brain is done at 6 minutes. I'd love to have more details about this, i'd have to try digging some stuff up, although the info is really vague. There is one about this little boy who died when he was 4 years old and talks about events that was before he was born, that he could not know but it seems so sketchy. For example he talks about everyone can go to god, but i read comments about the book and they mentioned you gotta be accepted by jesus to go to heaven....sketchy shit like that. If you ask me the kid was probably brainwashed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXTS7ASTbI

[Alric]

He wasn't paying attention, he says he wasn't paying any attention. And when he finally notices the heart beating, he thought it was normal for a dead person. Then eventually he realized the guy was still alive and started to try to help him. You are not dead after 6 minutes either, that is just the cut off point where you start to suffer brain damage, which the person probably did suffer(though perhaps to a mild degree).