Very good, we now seem to be back at my original post were I asked you for one piece of historical evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
There's also the precession of the equinoxes thing and additionally the pi-in-metric (?) thing.
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Very good, we now seem to be back at my original post were I asked you for one piece of historical evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
There's also the precession of the equinoxes thing and additionally the pi-in-metric (?) thing.
The sphinx represents the equator, the connection between leo and aquarius. There's also the goat-eagle hybrid which represent the aries-scorpio line. These two lines form an axis that tracks the suns movement through the galaxy. The mayan long count is the complete circulation of our sun through all constellations. This means that our position is only measurable during the equinox, when the constellation's position can be measured accurately.
What I'm doing right now is a very terrible job at describing points raised in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQFrNbqNRxI
The Mayan Sphinx?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Oh Lord... no, when we see the sun moving through different constellations, it is not moving around the galaxy. -_-Quote:
These two lines form an axis that tracks the suns movement through the galaxy. The mayan long count is the complete circulation of our sun through all constellations.
You've conflated the completely and utterly different concepts of axial precession and galactic rotation. This is a bit like thinking the sun is literally moving through the clouds in the sky.
I thought it was clear I was making connection between these ancient civilizations. I also thought it was clear that they were tracking the equinox in order to understand galactic revolution free of influence from their own axial rotation. Oh well, I don't expect you to pull your head out of your ass any time soon.
ITT: Omnis Dei proves conclusively that he doesn't know what the hell Xei is talking about when he says "precession of equinoxes".
OD, let me enlighten you:
Over the course of 1 year, the Earth goes about the sun, and the constellations appear to rotate through the full cycle of 12, once. So in December, maybe the sun rises in Picses, and in January it rises in Capricorn, etc. By next December it's back in Picses. The months are wrong, but you get the idea.
Over the course of 26,000 years, the Earth's axis of rotation precesses (like a top) once. This shifts the constellation behind the rising sun (just for reference) on a given day of the year through the full 12 constellations. This is the phase shift of the above 1 year cycle. Every year, the constellation cycle is phase shifted by 1/26,000. So if the December sun rises in Picses now, maybe in 2200 years the December sun now rises in Capricorn.
Along with the phase shift of the constellations, the 26,000 year cycle also shifts the "north star". In 26,000 years from now, the north star will once again be Polaris. In the time of ancient Egypt, it was Vega IIRC.
Finally, the solar system orbits the center of the galaxy over something like 30 million years.
So as you can see, the precession of equinoxes has zero, nothing, nada, zilch, nil, abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with our position in the galaxy.
Sigh... I don't understand what's unclear here but if you disagree with me I know I can't be that far off track.
Except it's the only means we have of accurately measuring the long count. Read through your post again, it says it all. We use the equinox to measure how far along this 26,000 year road we're currently at. Any other time of the year and you cannot make an accurate count because the position is compromised.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
The proper motion of the stars would completely change the look of the constellations before the Sun has made any meaningful distance around the galaxy. I doubt the Mayans had even the vaguest concept of what a galaxy is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
The poles move so much that such a line has no meaning, especially with regards to civilizations that existed thousands of years apart.Quote:
I don't know the details on this. I know it moves but I don't know how they measured the line between giza, nazca and easter island. But the facts speak for themselves.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...th2001_med.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._locations.png
Well here, look it up yourself Great Circle
You can also just watch the video I posted above
Well that link doesn't mention anything about the magnetic poles. I don't really see the significance of the great circle he mentions either, some of the locations he mentions are pretty obscure and plenty of much more famous monuments don't fit the mold. What about Stonehenge, the Parthenon, any of the numerous Mayan and Aztec complexes, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
I'm sure that plenty of patterns can be recognized if you look for them.
Yeah the video mentions the magnetic pole aspect and also gets more specific on why these locations were chosen. I'm beginning to question what it was implying about the magnetic pole and may need to watch again to clarify though because I thought it pinpointed the location in alaska but then claimed it was moving.
The Parthenon, which creation was recorded by history, would not be included in this for obvious reasons. Stonehenge is not mentioned in the video but teotihuacan is. But none of those sites are obscure to me because they're all locations of mysterious origin, prehistoric locations, many of which had structures built that couldn't even be replicated with modern technology.
You would be the worst teacher ever. And thanks for the info. I did know that, I just hadn't bothered to think about it in the slightest since I was 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
On Omnis Dei's point: Interesting story, the Mayans believe they were given knowledge from sky beings. They also believe these same sky beings then shared the same knowledge in Egypt, India and Cambodia.
The Hindu culture and ancient Egypt both have stories of sky beings descending down to impart knowledge. The most famous of these stories are the Hindu gods and their great flying vessels as large as cities - waging battles in the skies.
And like the Mayans the Hindu culture also has a belief of world ages - and interestingly use the term maya to denote the illusionary nature of reality.
"In the “Brahma-Vaivarta Purana”, Lord Krishna tells Ganga Devi that a Golden Age will come in the Kali Yuga - one of the four stages of development that the world goes through as part of the cycle of eras, as described in Hindu scriptures. Lord Krishna predicted that this Golden Age will start 5,000 years after the beginning of the Kali Yuga, and will last for 10,000 years.
Mayan Calendar Matches Hindu Calendar
It is interesting that this prediction of the emergence of a new world is prophesied to appear about the same time that the Mayans predicted it to come! The Mayan calendar began with the Fifth Great Cycle in 3114 BC and will end on 21 December 2012 AD. The Hindu Kali Yuga calendar began on 18 February 3102 B.C. There is only a difference of 12 years between the Hindu's beginning of the Kali Yuga and the Mayan's beginning of the Fifth Great Cycle."
I think because there are similarities between the two calenders that people liberally apply the belief of golden age to the Mayan calender - versus the alternate ending of doomsday
I think these cultures inherited the ruins from the previous incarnation of human civilization, or perhaps the one before that. Maybe there's aliens too, but for me it's far easier to imagine, with how many great changes the earth has been through, that we managed to obtain this advanced technology before but got wiped the F out, but before we did we built these granite structures in order to preserve some knowledge. Think about it, if we got wiped out now what would survive us? The pyramids.
Saw it in a movie once.
One year till the big day, guys.
I'm excited. If nothing else, I just want to see how hysterical some of the population gets, leading up to it. :popcorn:Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
I bet the global suicide rate will skyrocket as we get nearer the time.
I saw something on CNBC about people preparing, one guy said we're all in a virtual reality game that gets turned off at 11:11:11 on 12/21/2012 and that he has to jump off some particular cliff in new mexico to save the world.
I heard about some guy doing the same thing. He said a portal is going to open below the cliff. I'm not sure why he wants to jump off the cliff to get in to it though lol
You'd think rule one of occult and conspiracy research is don't buy into any idea where if you're wrong, you die.
He lives in an impoverished country and he needs to reach 88 miles per hour for it to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
I know that some sort of change is happening. Personally, I find myself agreeing with Reece Jones' (Youtube) version of the 2012 shift. Anyway, these changes, I've been going through them first hand, as have the people around me. For example, I never would have dreamed that I would become a vegan, and yet here I am. It was a decision that my mother and I made about three months ago after becoming more aware of animals and people. I feel as if I learn something insanely important each day, and from what I learn, I feel as if I am a different person each day. It's pretty cool, I guess.
Won't the ground still be there in 1885? So much for thinking 4th-dimensionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
> 2012
> Not thinking with portals
I need to think of something super trolly to do to all the people in this forum and the world when nothing fucking happens.
Taking suggestions
I know what will be infuriating as all hell is when nothing happens and people start tripping out over the fact that "shit happens" during a whole year, and decide that this proves their point that something changed during 2012. Well no shit. Of course everything will change this year, that's how time works.