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I don't belive these PSI things on principle but would be happy to be proven wrong. Anyway just to get this straight are you saying you can summon fire from your hands move objects without touching them, manipulate the whole universe, cure cancer.... . Either you are joking around, reading way to much harry potter or extremely selfish if you are letting millions of people die everyday of various illnesses.
But hell who am i to talk I can't even lucid dream yet ( which I DO belive in)
Small telekinisis(I can spin a psi wheel)
Telepathy( I can talk to my friends and animals with my mind)
Merging conceusnouse ( misspelled that)
Lucid dreaming
Working on getting better at astral projection
I lol'd .Quote:
I remember having a debate with someone (I spent most of the time laughing) who thought that Goku (yes, Dragonball Z Goku) could defeat God
Are you saying it is possible to do that crap in real life??????? :drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by wer
Is it just me, or did a bunch of fag scheptics decide to intrude on our universe... I think its very evident.... If you dont have anything amazing in life or your dream world, then why are you rocking the cradle for everyone else... It is becoming pretty discusting how these atheists are trying to go everywhere spiritualism is to try to go out of their way to summon a brothel of the Hary Cary hoard to shit on everyones parade... Seriously, go to hell....I dont want you here.... This was my little place to get away from ignorance. And now we are not free to discuss what some of us have been holding in for decades.... Your logic based on theories & sold as truth have no place here... We are people looking for new answers because we are smarter than that. If you dont feel a world of dreams then get the hell out. You are preventing us from growing. We want you to leave. For this reason i will only be on Psi & precognition threads for now. Where this is my domain so beware.
If you can't stand people not agreeing with you, you should avoid using the internet.
Dreamsayer, ask an admin for permission to Deep Dreaming. You won't have trouble there if granted access.
People who are nay-saying, leave them be. They're not going to listen to you (especially with how you are coming off). Wer didn't start this thread to debate, but to trade ideas with other people who believe in this. I think it's clear that this is a problem concerning DV.
Did you guys even check how old OP is anyway? It was like over 5 years ago.
yes why the hell does EVERYTHING turn into a debate. Some threads are just there to exchange ideas between people who are interested and active in that subject, if you don't believe in it or doubt or even hate people who do believe in it, then by all means, AVOID these threads, we don't want to know you don't believe in it. We want to know who does and what they have experienced regarding it. there's no point in posting here if you don't believe in it,What the hell does that accomplish? that is the most unintelligible type of posts there is.Quote:
Example: "Hey everybody, i think your stupid and what you believe is not what i believe. Interesting for a story, but not real as far as i'm concerned"
Make a thread that states all the things you don't believe, or find ones that ask do you believe in this? If it's not asking if you believe in it then why troll the thread with. Why spend your time stating all the things you hate and don't believe in? sounds like a shitty way to spend ones time, but from my experiences, some people enjoy it... i dono
My abilities:
Telepathy
Empathy
psi balls
lucid dreams where i experience precognition.
I think this is the first forum about dreams that i have actually liked, so i dont think i am going to be scared away so easily. It really seems like i'm being followed at this point. What brings you in here scatterbrain??? Maybe you can have all the threads closed down, i'm sure that would make you happy...I dont intend on having that happen in here. This thread stays up with or without you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
I am sure you will have alot to offer the Psi topic....NOT!!!!!
I accept Psi as a possabilty & will not object to claims that i may even believe to be false, do to the fact, i choose to have an open mind, & a support for others in this field. Subjectivity is allowed, but i dont think i came here for Dawkins debates, so maybe you can find someone else to pick on.:D In another room. lol... If you refute this, i will not entertain you any further. you will be simply ignored.
My special ability: I can "see" narcissism.
Thanks for your advise, i havent checked to see if there's a full membership, but i would love to start my own threads. Ya, trying to ignore those people. It becomes so counterproductive. I get a little rough around the edges sometimes, & i am not exempt from babbling on about theoretical perceptions of all this. I'm just looking for answers in a world that doesnt want to take a look. But i can see for the most part its different here. Thanks for the support.Quote:
Originally Posted by louie54
Don't fret, Dreamsayer. ...
Sadly, its simply in the nature of some to walk into a place that is clearly out of their element, and expect to change the place to match their perception. It would be like a Christian barging his way over nextdoor to a Muslims house and telling him that Muhammed is a lie, and that Christ is the only savior. The lesson from this:
Exclusivism in any philosophical form is an intolerance to perceptions other than their own. It is a form of bigotry.
Beyond that, since the last decade, a certain abomination on mankind (known as 'trolling') was created, which gives outsiders the ability to agitate everyone in their path, for no apparent reason but to serve the lowest urges known to man, in order to get a rise out of someone. It gives them pleasure. Thats all. ... I've recently begun to understand all of this, and since then, I've become nearly impervious to negative suggestion, ... especially when one tries to mix logic in with thoughtless coercion. Coercion doesn't win truth. It wins debates. ... and when its applied to debates, is NEVER synonymous with truth.
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There are two faces to science (that I have understood): ...
1) Optimistic Science (Hypotheses are possible until proven impossible, whilst the use of logic to provide resolution is important, but in understanding that science is not all knowing, because it is constantly 'in-progress'. Science is being discovered at a constant rate. Therefore, it cannot be all-knowing, because it knows not all. This idea is not, however, synonymous with "pseudo-science" (untrue science))
2) Objective Science (Everything is false until proven true, and MUST have an exact measurement! It must confrom to the modern intellectual complex, and have no conjunction with anything of a spiritual nature. Materialism is king!)
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If there be anyone in this particular subforum of the latter,...
You quite honestly dont belong here. This place is out of your element, and its element shall not be changed, altered, or obscured by those who simply won't comprehend it.
Your definition of science is way off. Science never claims knowing all, the very existence of mysteries and the desire to discover and evolve is exactly what motivates scientists and keeps them going.
Likewise, the idea you hold of what being open-minded means is quite skewed as well. You accuse the non-believers of being close-minded and bigots, when in good irony you are the ones who quickly jumped to declaring skeptics inferior, among other insults, rather than using proper argumentation.
The "optimistic science" defined above is nothing more than a double standard. "Consider everything as possible", that sounds very fair in principle, but in practice it's impossible, we just can't research every single imaginable theory: for every idea worth following there's an infinite number of ideas that'll lead nowhere... Of course what is usually meant when somebody says "consider everything as possible" is actually "consider as possible the ideas towards which I have propensity to believe", that's why it's a double standard.
That is a great video and I really hope that every person who posted on this thread in argument watches it. It definitely gets to the root of some of the most ridiculous arguments on the Internet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
We're not saying we aren't open to the other side of the argument, we're saying stop coming in here stating you don't believe in what we're saying, don't post about how you haven't experienced it and don't believe it to be possible but would like to be true. If you haven't experienced it then don't post, unless you wanna say, i would love to experience this, or sounds like something interesting. It's the negative approach that warrants the denial of relevance in our minds, the "I haven't experienced it, so to me it's not real, and if you think it is THEN PROVE IT" we're not posting here to prove anything to anyone, and actually i find that a deterrent when speaking to someone on the matter. Come here with an open mind or just avoid us. The thread asked that you post your experiences with it, if you don't have experiences with it then there's no relevance in you posting here is there? because none of us that have experienced it want to here of how many haven't, we get that all day... This isn't as simple as "I'm Atheist and don't believe in ghosts!" - "No you just don't believe in God and miracles".... We're the third party with the open mind and the phenomenon-like experiences that look to avoid crushing others beliefs, if you wanna be atheist be atheist, if you wanna believe in God then believe, but when we state our beliefs and our experiences, don't come stampeding over them. Yes i created this thread, but i meant it as a way for Christians to come in and explain those versus, and i've apologized many times in it for it being mis-titled.
Again using the term 'open-mind' incorrectly and misrepresenting my position and previous argument. At least watch the video.
Used 'open-minded' incorrectly??? How the hell lol? I didn't say anything was impossible, i wouldn't be surprised if Jesus came rolling in on a Cadillac cloud saying " Told ya so muthafuckuh" in a snoopdog like voice.... Or if i die and wake up as a worm.... or if nothing happens....
I've watched the video every time i run across it in a thread... In no way did i take either position in that video....sorry but i didn't, all i did was state to not come trolling about how you don't believe these things exist hence stating we did not experience the phenomenon hence calling us liars... I don't believe in Religion but i don't go into the Christianity threads stating that i don't believe in them (although i do not doubt that a god is possible)... I AVOID THEM OUT OF RESPECT OF OPPOSING BELIEFS
You're missing the point. You implied I'm not open-minded, and that's not true.
Also, this
is not what I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by MementoMori
I wasn't implying you are close minded, and that was true if you come in and say you don't believe in it then you're saying that you do not believe we've done these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
Also, me and you(scatterbrain) bickering back and forth is wasting space on this thread.
Out of control.
Making it pointless and off topic from OP. Can't we all just get along?Quote:
Originally Posted by MementoMori
Yet again you proved you missed the point of the video...Quote:
Originally Posted by MementoMori
Being open-minded doesn't mean accepting everything people tell you. It's being willing to change your mind on a given subject, demanding evidence and a reasoning before doing so is not only perfectly acceptable as it is recommended.
With that said, about 'psi': I've been there, I even have the old psi-wheel, I understand very well how easy it is for one to get deluded into believing we're actually moving it. It really seems like it's our doing.
Just try to make the wheel float instead instead of rotate, or make it rotate with a bowl on top. The mind will instantly jump to rationalizations as to why it did not work. But think about it: specifically in situations where the movement of the wheel couldn't possibly have been caused by wind or other outside influences, the telekinesis stops working. Why do you think that is?
Guys, please try to stick to the topic. If you want to debate about open-mindedness I'll gladly split the thread and move the debate to ED or R/S. Any more posts derailing the thread will be deleted. Thanks. :)
I just want to say first off, I think you are right most people are just psyching themselves out and something else is moving it...but if you are of the belief that telekinesis takes some kind of energy to work, then of course the glass would make it exponentially harder to spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
Actually, Im not sure at all how telekinesis can work through a solid object if it is applying a force in any way...someone who is more in to the lore of telekinesis would have to explain this to me.
the levitation thing I feel similarly about since you would have to work against gravity for it. I would love to see some actual vids of that. Ive never really spent time on telekinesis that much.
Supposedly the telekinetic force isn't physical, having air or having glass between the user and the object shouldn't make a difference. A 'psi-wheel' is commonly very light, a force with enough intensity to make it spin would be enough to levitate it (even if just a bit) if applied from below, or at least it should be enough to knock the wheel of the pin.
But these were just examples, we can imagine plenty of others that would require the same force as rotating a psi-wheel for movement to be observed but wouldn't allow for outside influences.
indeed. It would be fun to be someone to actually do more than rotate it. If I were to ever succeed at that, and could replicate it, then I would have a much sterner belief in it.
but I wonder...how can something non-physical exert a force on something physical?