So.Here it is.What was it ? I need your help now.

[kartogon]

I am trying to learn ld from few weeks. I want WILD. Most difficult but in many places called as Holly Grail of lucid dream. You know it cause i already wrote about it. to be able to spontaneously without dream go into my subc. I tried almost everyday, before sleep.In 11.00 a.m, 2.00 p.m, 5.00 p.m. Tonight i was not sleepy. I went to bed at about 23.00p.m. to be sleep i started to read some funny book. In my mind was only (as from few days) "I WANT WILD, i want wild, why i can not have wild, i want wild i will do everything to have wild". After 30 minutes i once yawned so i thought to myself "ok i am enough sleep so i have to sleep i must do wild". Relaxing, trying nothing. MAD as shit.Crazy thoughts why i can not have it why why why why. (i did not sleep even one minute yet). I eat one banana = melatonine so i have to have wild.i have to have it. Ok so trying again: this tech: (Check Daily) Chilla's new techniques, tips and thoughts!! CDILD. (similar very similar to http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/simple...chnique-39869/) But again shit - i can not force daydreaming, when i am lying in bed daydreaming is in some way blocked for me). So i forced my full attention to imaging some place, imaging force whole will power into it, so much that i feel pain in my head and tension in muscles. (only one thought "I HAVE TO,I MUST HAVE WILD TONIGHT"). So i felt tension in my legs so i thought ok i feel tension so i have to do relaxation, so i concentrate one of my thread in brain to imagining some place and second to concentrate attention (feel warm and heavy) into legs, arms, stomach neck, head .(FASTER i want to have wild, relax this shit faster you stupid brain). Few seconds later: relaxed ok, warm legs, arms, nice feelings. Noise in ears is starting to generate like metal rasping in glass,or like 50 glasses rubbing one another. I concentrated more of my imagination to imagining some place as above (not concrete, some street with motorcycle). Now i think - ok i heard noise so where is my SP. I want my SP. I feel only warm and heaviness. F this i will try to kill it, i will wake up from my bed. (I DID NOT SLEEP any one minute before). I waked up. I thought hmmmm smth is wrong. I will check my watch. but first i will turn around maybe i will see myslef on bed haha. i saw only some purple color. i checked watch : ok normal hour. checked second time: shit digits jumping and moving and changing every second. SHIT !!!!! why i am in my room i want to go out from here i dont want obe i want ld, SHIT move away back to my body you shit i want to go back. panic, go back go back go back, teleport to another room. nothing doesnt work, try to imagine smth another place - only colors starting to show but can not teleport. look at calendar - it is 2004. I WANT TO GO BACK. Only one thought in my mind - i want to go back to my body. Super panic mode. near window- snow outside.but we have summer now. i went back to my bed. tried to feel my body back. maybe success - checking watch - no, digits still jumping. SHIT what to do what to do. Imagine smth another place - another room, try spinning around, teleport to another spinning body nothing. i tried to imagine my spinning body in another room and feel like i am there - room started to show, slowly, i saw my body on bed. TRANCE OUT. zoom out. END. checked cellphone -time ok. another one time ok. I was happy as hell that i go out. i felt like locked between bodies, between dimensions. sticked,trapped in time. back to my watch - i dont have watch near my bed. I often have,i often think about having watch near my bed because i have iluminator and this is nice color when checking time, but those night i DID NOT has watch near my bed.But in this experience i had. So few points. What was that ? I HAVE NOT SLEEP ANY SINGLE minute before. whole experience was about 30 minutes. When i wake up i dont felt like wake up from dream, just like close and open eyes. No dizzy feeling nothing. only fear and happiness. Few seconds later my memories started to fade out. I know that this what i wrote here is not even half of things what happened. Why PANIC mode ? why problems with teleporting ? Why strange feeling that this was only dream and those thing did not happened ? Now, while writing it i have feeling that it was dream, but inside me i feel that it was not.I remember NOISE (metal,glasss) and exiting. Was it obe ? Why i did not experience SP ? only like in this post: http://www.dreamviews.com/f20/trying...e-am-i-101707/ but only one thing - this heavy and warm feeling in hands and legs (and this feeling that i can not say where they are exactly) starts in 5 to 10 minutes max. Really this was only this feeling. No wave, nothing big. Biggest = noise.almost pain in ears. So my whole time in bed tonight was smth about 1 hour. Impossible to have rem. No more. i am to scared to go back to bed. please write your opinion. thank you. + weird thing, after opening eyes at end,after those experience - i literally felt, almost saw that memories from this experience are being erased, i like saw (difficult to say, loosing tracks, connections) them disappearing one after another. I only have few now, i wrote them but i know there was at least 3x more. I read so much about exiting, about being calm, i knew that i need to be calm, but i couldn't. I failed. Panic taken me.

[Siphorix]

First, you went about it all wrong. You dont want to be thinking "I will WILD", considering "WILD is in a sense, a type of action/result". Rather, think "I will Lucid Dream". You must also understand that in no way can you be harmed in a dream. It is all in the mind. You expressed the same feelings that many people who do drugs go through. "Oh man, i cant wait to go take this pill! I wanna know what its like to trip. Comon, comon, comon".. Then if freaks them the hell out. You NEED to stay calm, and relax. If you have to, just sit on the chair, breath, focus, gather yourself. It helps saying "I am dreaming right now, this is awesome". Try thinking of stuff that makes you feel good or calm (Video games, bowling, friends, sex, people, super powers, etc). It will help get your mind out of the freak out zone. Also try walking out of your room, maybe downstairs or outside, while saying "this is a dream, I am safe, this is going to be fun". Dreams are ALL about mind power!!!!!! You REALLY shouldnt let one bad experience freak you out! Dreams are by far the MOST amazing experience you will EVER have! Way better then ANY drug you will find, and it is 100% safe! I think that you might have hyped yourself up sooo much, and had so much anticipation of what a LD/OBE should be like, or how things would happen, that when it did happen, it caught you off guard and you started to freak. Dreams dont always start off as you seeing images, then a movie, then you are at some dreamland... Sometimes it starts off as you waking up in your bedroom. When you get up thinking you are awake, when you are really dreaming, and you can see/feel your real body, many people reference this to an OBE. - When you have the mindset of something vague like simply LDing, rather then "LDing at a tropical island", your mind just sent the dream environment to that of your room, since it is most familiar with this area. Thus, when you are conscious/awake, you are Lucid Dreaming. When you have the feeling of just waking up, but are actually dreaming, this called as "False Awakening Lucid Dream" Personally, I think the term OBE came about because people "saw" their own body, or felt like they came out of it. - You conscious was never intended to be awake while you dream. So when you are awake, and your subconscious knows this, it takes certain precautions. While it is a dream, it can give you the illusion that you have separated from your body, to signal to you that it is a dream. -or- Your subconscious doesn't know what to do with the fact that you are actually awake, and tries to con you to go back to sleep, through the means of making everything look 100% as if you were awake, to deceive you that you are dreaming. When you dont go back to sleep, to has to compensate for all of this occurrence. -or- Your subconscious realizes you are awake, and creates the environment/feeling/body as a way to scare/alarm you. When you are scared, your heart rate and breathing change, which will cause you wake up. When you are awake, your mind and body have to go through the sleep cycle again. This time, your Subconscious is expecting you(your conscious mind) to fall asleep this time. The mind is EXTREMELY complex. Your mind has a mind of its own, which also has a mind of its own. Its an amazing build. There are thousands of theories and ideas on everything mind related. ...and truth of the matter is, no-one knows. You simply have to give it the respect it needs, esp considering, that is who you are.

[kartogon]

Thanks.So what do you think, what was it what i had ?

[Siphorix]

I think you had a "False Awakening Lucid Dream". Then once you started to freak out, you began to loose some definition and clarity between your dream body and your real body. Being able to feel both your dream body and your real body is VERY common with people who WILD. There are many techniques that can help you clarify the dream, and make it more vivid. It also helps to ONLY focus on your dream body, not your sleeping one. Once you are able to cipher between the two, and isolate/ignore your real body, and only have the senses of your dream body, dreams will be 10000x more enjoyable. Here is a friendly tip: If you ever want to get out of Sleep Paralysis or Dreams, simply hold you breath as LONG as possible, even if it feels like you are going to die. After x amount of time, your mind will pull you from what ever state you are in.

[kartogon]

thanks. I did not felt my real body. I even did not saw it. Only at end, one flash and then woke up. I had all my senses inside this state. I felt everything with my dream body only. But i knew that i am lying in bed and wanted to go back very hard. The only thing in my mind - go back, you are separated. And - From start of this experience to end = smth about 30 minutes. Before - in bed 30 minutes reading book.NO Sleep before.No sleep after. It could not be REM.

[Siphorix]

thanks. I did not felt my real body. I even did not saw it. Only at end, one flash and then woke up. I had all my senses inside this state. I felt everything with my dream body only. But i knew that i am lying in bed and wanted to go back very hard. The only thing in my mind - go back, you are separated. And - From start of this experience to end = smth about 30 minutes. Before - in bed 30 minutes reading book.NO Sleep before.No sleep after. It could not be REM. It is possible to dream without REM... but like I said earlier, it was all about your mental state. You knew you were asleep, so your subconscious instill the idea and feeling in you. Hopefully you will have better luck next time.

[kartogon]

Today 14.00 p.m - second attempt. Lying on bed, relax, breath, after while - remembering how it was earlier. Vibrations kick in. SP - sorry now i experienced nice beautiful waves of SP. From legs to mouth 3 waves. Pressure on teeth. Mouth -paralyzed. It was fun i constantly was talking to myslef Here comes noise. here comes HI (nice white circles on eyelids) Here come SP Second wave 3 wave. Here my heart is going to crazy. Hot in arms, legs. But it was ok, i have it under control. One thing i dont - swallow moment. I had to swallow -OUT of SP. End. It was close, yeah ? ? ? (oftop question - in trance there is SP ?). I tried 20 seconds later but can not come back. How long i have to wait to try again ? Can i over do it and destroy this method ? If i will try for example 20 times a day, can it be wrong and destroy this method ? (method = occupy mind by: 1-breath deeply and on exhale count to 3 2-vividly imagine something to keep you busy and maybe to become scene later. Dont even need to relax. Or if i have to - i need just think ."61 point". and automatically relaxed legs and arms. two threads in brain - works wonder for me, know i will add kinestetic remembering (remember how vibration was, remember noise, feeling, maybe it will kick in faster.my goal it to be able to enter sp in 1 minute.) )

[Siphorix]

Are you absolutely positive it was full Sleep Paralysis and not extreme heaviness / numbness / loss of feeling? .. I have to stress this point. MANY people mistake Sleep Paralysis for what happens in Stage-3. SP should give you the feeling that you have no body, that you are just your mind, the feeling of being in a coma. Whereas Stage-3 is VERY similar. - An easy way to tell, if you do something small, does it ruin the entire process? Can you wiggle your any part of your body (like your finger or toe), if you had to, could you open your eyes and jump/jolt or get up? Stage 3: • Extreme relaxation • Body tingles. Extreme heaviness of any/all body. Numbness of body/parts. Loss of feeling/location. Spinning. Rushes. Etc • Change in body/limb tempeture • Hypnogogic images • Sounds (eg. A beep. twisting of metal, a small thump, a creek, wing passing through a tunnel, a whisper) • Tightness on jaw and neck • The urge to swallow • Change in the ability to breath. (breaths may be jumpy or abnormal) If you were at the point of the next stages; - Your mouth would have been extremely dry, and you should have no wanting to swallow. - You would be seeing a lot more than just HI. You would be seeing people/landscape/object, in color and usually some detail. - You not be able to move any part of your body, or even wiggle a finger. - You would have forgot about your mouth and your entire body. You would only notice your chest/breathing (if you are awake enough)