Thread: Shamens and Witchdoctors.

I dunno but I'm pretty interested in the Shamans and stuff, I'm trying to find good reading about them and things like that...

Originally posted by dreamboat
Were they just on a Trip.

It is easy enough to suspect that all Witch Doctors and Shamans resorted to local hallucinagenic drugs in order to induce their trance states. Modern Anthropologists are discovering that the remaining Primitive Peoples have no inhabitions about ingesting psychotropic drugs, and even the Hindus, who are otherwise proud of their drugless meditations, are willing to admit that their Ancient Sutras may have been heavily influenced by the Soma Plant, which was taken to such an extent that they had inadvertently eaten or smoked the very last one without bothering to save a seed or a cutting and thus they exploited it into extinction. Ooops!

But the Western Monastic Traditions, and even those Buddhist Monasteries in the East were able to support a great deal of trance work without any style of drugs, and we can verify this to ourselves intuitively just by considering the Economics of running a Monastery where the largest problem is not having enough money to purchase enough food to go around. Certainly there would not be enough money or resources left for anything as frivolous as drugs. This we find supported by the Mentality that developes which makes a Supreme Virtue of Asceticism, that is, of living a life of severe deprivations. If there will never be enough food to go around, one might as well make a virtue of going hungry, and this they call "FASTING".

FASTING is like a drug in itself, though, isn't it. As one becomes more and more malnurished, the B Vitamins are depleted from the system and thus Insanity eventually creeps into the mentality. Paranoid Delusions occur against the backdrop of Manic Depression. The malnourished and insane Monk will alternately experience Heavenly Raptures and Flights with the Angels (Manic Phase) only to plung into Visions of Hell to be tormented by Demons (depressive paranoia). Just ask around with the Near Death Experience People and you will find that there is no Drug that even closely compares to Death. What the Hallucinagenic Drugs do is simulate on a smaller and imperfect scale the chemical actions and adrenals that flood the brain at the moment of death. When people come back from Death in their Near Death Experiences, with their stories of Tunnels of Light and meeting Jesus Christ... is that not the Ultimate Trip?

The Welsh had a word for it, they called it 'fey' -- the giddiness, the smiling Spirituality that a person has who's physical health is breaking down toward the approach of death. My Grandmother had it. She was a mean religious crank her whole life and grumbled grumbled grumbled -- everyone hated her for it too. But then in her last six months, as she could no longer eat or digest much food and her body broke down, what a delight she became. Why she was absolutely radiant. Babies brought into the room with her would stop their crying and automatically begin to smile and gurgle with laughter and joy. The old dragon had become 'fey'.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


It is easy enough to suspect that all Witch Doctors and Shamans resorted to local hallucinagenic drugs in order to induce their trance states. Modern Anthropologists are discovering that the remaining Primitive Peoples have no inhabitions about ingesting psychotropic drugs, and even the Hindus, who are otherwise proud of their drugless meditations, are willing to admit that their Ancient Sutras may have been heavily influenced by the Soma Plant, which was taken to such an extent that they had inadvertently eaten or smoked the very last one without bothering to save a seed or a cutting and thus they exploited it into extinction. Ooops!



The Welsh had a word for it, they called it 'fey' -- the giddiness, the smiling Spirituality that a person has who's physical health is breaking down toward the approach of death. My Grandmother had it. She was a mean religious crank her whole life and grumbled grumbled grumbled -- everyone hated her for it too. But then in her last six months, as she could no longer eat or digest much food and her body broke down, what a delight she became. Why she was absolutely radiant. Babies brought into the room with her would stop their crying and automatically begin to smile and gurgle with laughter and joy. The old dragon had become 'fey'.

it's funny, people have often said that about me...things like 'she's not for this world' or some other such phrase.
scares the hell out of me!
and i'm certainly nowhere near dying!! I'm as fit as everyone else, thankyou very much.
And i'm not a dragon.
although i do have a grandmother who is...bitter and twisted. Maybe she will become 'fey' too...
I thought that was a Scots word...

That’s an interesting read Leo Volont, I enjoy reading your well-versed posts.

Originally posted by irishcream


I thought that ( fey ) was a Scots word...

Oh... well, I can't remember quite where I heard that it was Welsh. My dictionary references it to the A. Sax word faege and the Icel. word feigr, but with your being in the UK and me being quite some distance away, I will bow to your sense of the local patoises.

Originally posted by Mystical_Journey
That’s an interesting read Leo Volont, I enjoy reading your well-versed posts.

Dear Mystical Journey,

and I like your Astral World graphic. Every time I see it, it reminds me that I have been trying to drop Body Image in my next Lucid Dream. it has become my Lucid Dream Checklist Item. and seeing one of your posts has sort of become the Reality Check for going over my DreamChecklist.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Oh... well, I can't remember quite where I heard that it was Welsh. My dictionary references it to the A. Sax word faege and the Icel. word feigr, but with your being in the UK and me being quite some distance away, I will bow to your sense of the local patoises.

so where in the world are you then?