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Hello Dracanisa, Exobyte,

I agree with Exobyte&#39;s point of distinction between OBE and LD. But I am a little unsure about Exobyte&#39;s explanation of the different astral planes, as it is (still) theoretical, and perhaps not even phenomenological.

The route to having an OB experience is _not_ necessarily through LD. It is possible to elevate to an astral plane through meditation also.

Dracanisa, I would suggest that you first concentrate on getting lucid dreams, lucidly. Let your mind and its powers evolve on their own, and allow them time to do so. The fact that you go to sleep while you are "waiting", indicates that the waiting may not be the right thing to do at the present stage. When all conditions are right, everything will automatically happen.

Regards,
Sanjay.
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