The Connection Between Obe And Lucid Dreaming?

[Dracanisa]

is there any kind of connection between the two? i mean like how are they the same, and how are they different?

[ExoByte]

Welcome to Dreamviews Dracanisa! They are two different things. Lucid Dreaming directly translates to Conscious Dreaming, or Dream Consciousness. Meaning, its dreaming and knowing you are dreaming. All you are doing in Lucid Dreaming is realizing that the dream is a dream, and bringing your conscious mind into it. Normally the subconscious controls the dreams, bring your conscious mind into it, you can gain control of not only yourself and your own actions in the dream, but the dream world around you. Thats called Dream control. OBE means Out of Body Experiance. Astral Projection is how you would go about having an OBE. What happens is you project your Astral Body/Spirit/Soul/Energy/Mind (Whatever you like to call it) out of your physical body. Your Astral self now is in the physical world, but on the Astral Plane. There are multiple levels of the Astral Plane. Here is an image showing the levels. As can be seen, the Astral plane has 3 leves, Low, Mid, High. Below Astral, is the Physical plane which we are currently bound to. That chart is labled as such: THE ATMIC PLANE - The oneness, the light... God. THE BUDDHIC PLANE - I'm sure its virtually impossible for an astral projector to travel this high, beyond the grasp of human minds to describe and appreciate. THE MENTAL PLANE - Here you break free of your former bodily trappings, creativity and free thought flow like water. Its extremely difficult for an astral projector to reach and very difficult to spend any length of time here. HIGHER ASTRAL PLANE - "Summerland" heavenly peace. This is a very difficult plane for an astral projector to reach. MIDDLE ASTRAL PLANE - Somewhat like our reality, souls here are rehabilitated, universities and centers of learning abound. LOWER ASTRAL PLANE - Very close to our physical world, those who have passed over but continue to cling to their physical life can be found here. THE PHYSICAL PLANE - The world we experience in waking life, made up of slow vibrating matter. Upon the Astral Plane, you will be in the world we are now, but on a different level of existance. With no physical body to hinder you, and your mind floating freely, you are free to do what you will on this plane. Some say you can even manipulate some physical objects. Some even say you can appear as an apparition to others. This however, is all unknown. Astral Projection is a subject many are skeptic on. Many are not sure wether Astral Projection truely exists or not. Some believe Astral Projection to be fake, and we are just confusing it with a very realistic Lucid Dream. Some believe it truely exists and say they have experianced it. We are currently unsure. I hope this helps you!

[NeAvO]

Hi Dracanisa and welcome to DVs, you might be interested in the Beyond Dreaming section of the forum.

[Dracanisa]

Welcome to Dreamviews Dracanisa! They are two different things. Lucid Dreaming directly translates to Conscious Dreaming, or Dream Consciousness. Meaning, its dreaming and knowing you are dreaming. All you are doing in Lucid Dreaming is realizing that the dream is a dream, and bringing your conscious mind into it. Normally the subconscious controls the dreams, bring your conscious mind into it, you can gain control of not only yourself and your own actions in the dream, but the dream world around you. Thats called Dream control. OBE means Out of Body Experiance. Astral Projection is how you would go about having an OBE. What happens is you project your Astral Body/Spirit/Soul/Energy/Mind (Whatever you like to call it) out of your physical body. Your Astral self now is in the physical world, but on the Astral Plane. There are multiple levels of the Astral Plane. Here is an image showing the levels. As can be seen, the Astral plane has 3 leves, Low, Mid, High. Below Astral, is the Physical plane which we are currently bound to. That chart is labled as such: THE ATMIC PLANE - The oneness, the light... God. THE BUDDHIC PLANE - I'm sure its virtually impossible for an astral projector to travel this high, beyond the grasp of human minds to describe and appreciate. THE MENTAL PLANE - Here you break free of your former bodily trappings, creativity and free thought flow like water. Its extremely difficult for an astral projector to reach and very difficult to spend any length of time here. HIGHER ASTRAL PLANE - "Summerland" heavenly peace. This is a very difficult plane for an astral projector to reach. MIDDLE ASTRAL PLANE - Somewhat like our reality, souls here are rehabilitated, universities and centers of learning abound. LOWER ASTRAL PLANE - Very close to our physical world, those who have passed over but continue to cling to their physical life can be found here. THE PHYSICAL PLANE - The world we experience in waking life, made up of slow vibrating matter. Upon the Astral Plane, you will be in the world we are now, but on a different level of existance. With no physical body to hinder you, and your mind floating freely, you are free to do what you will on this plane. Some say you can even manipulate some physical objects. Some even say you can appear as an apparition to others. This however, is all unknown. Astral Projection is a subject many are skeptic on. Many are not sure wether Astral Projection truely exists or not. Some believe Astral Projection to be fake, and we are just confusing it with a very realistic Lucid Dream. Some believe it truely exists and say they have experianced it. We are currently unsure. I hope this helps you! [/b] Ok i was just wondering, because i have heared that there can be a connection, but i was really wanting to know. because of dream control, i have heard you can actually achieve astral projection from this. Thank you for taking your time in reading! i hope you can reply!

[ExoByte]

Learning to become Lucid and control your dreams can be a good first step, as it helps you learn focus, concentration and determination, thus making it easier to OBE in the future.

[ExoByte]

So basically, it depends on what you believe. It is believed by some that OBEs are really intense Lucid Dreams, while by others it is believed that you actually walk the Astral Plane.

[Dracanisa]

When I stopped believing that OBEs are actually out-of-body experiences, they ceased to be so intense They began to look as fake as normal lucid dreams and effort to make them vivid is required now. Belief is everything [/b] I believe in OBE, but it doesnt happen very often. i try to relax and allow it to come to me, but i feel like my "astral body" is lazy... and if i wait too long, i go to sleep. i dont understand like, why when i really want it to happen, it doesnt work? i take it its these delays that make people not believe? i know it takes time and patience, but i beleive everything happens for a reason... is this true?

[sanjaysagrawal]

<span style="color:#990000"> Hello Dracanisa, Exobyte, I agree with Exobyte&#39;s point of distinction between OBE and LD. But I am a little unsure about Exobyte&#39;s explanation of the different astral planes, as it is (still) theoretical, and perhaps not even phenomenological. The route to having an OB experience is _not_ necessarily through LD. It is possible to elevate to an astral plane through meditation also. Dracanisa, I would suggest that you first concentrate on getting lucid dreams, lucidly. Let your mind and its powers evolve on their own, and allow them time to do so. The fact that you go to sleep while you are "waiting", indicates that the waiting may not be the right thing to do at the present stage. When all conditions are right, everything will automatically happen. Regards, Sanjay. </span>

[Dracanisa]

You are very right Sanjay, but wouldn't there have to be a type of plain for Lucid Dreaming too? Or would the two plains be at the same level? For OBE and LD?

[sanjaysagrawal]

Hello Dracanisa, Can you elaborate further, please? About the plains. Cheers, Sanjay.

[Bonsay]

You are very right Sanjay, but wouldn't there have to be a type of plain for Lucid Dreaming too? Or would the two plains be at the same level? For OBE and LD? [/b] Hi, I think that if astral plains exist, the "LD plain" would be in between the "OBE plain" and the physical plain. Off topic: Sanjaysagrawal, if you don't mind me asking, does your name have any special meaning? Because in my language sanjaj means "to dream".

[sanjaysagrawal]

<span style="color:#990000"> Hello Bonsay, OBE planes are higher extensions of the planes of mundane existence that you and I spend most of our life in. In the dream world, though we perceive to be vibrating on a different plane, it is still very much part of the mundane. Yes, while in LD, it is possible to eject to an OBE plane. Cheers, Sanjay. Offtopic again: "Sanjay" in Sanskrit means "one who wins over everybody in equal measure". Sanjay also happened to be one of the characters of an Indian epic - &#39;The Mahabharat". He was bestowed the boon of distance vision; sitting in the palace, he could see the goings on of a battle; and it was through him that the world knows about one of the greatest works of Hindu metaphysics and ontology - &#39;The Gita&#39;. A bit of mythology for you, there. </span>

[Aneas]

There absolutely is a difference between TRUE LDing and the OBE. If WILD, MILD, and all the rest of the techniques are needed then you have not yet reached the zenith of your LD ability. Go to sleep here and awaken into the LD with complete awareness. A flawless transition without the accompanying crutch of technique, this is the true LD. The OBE consists of a realization of being energy, without the limitation of a huminoid form. Pure thought and light, and the absence of physical sensation. It must be experienced because words fail to accurately describe it.