lack of REM sleep

[no REM sleep]

i HAVE3 HAD 3 SLEEP STUDIES. i FOR THE DIAGNOSIS AND 2 FOR cpapRETITRATIONS. noNE OF THE SLEEP STUDIES WITH the EXCEPTION OF A 20 MINUTE PERIOD OF REM SLEEP EVER SHOWED ANY 3 OR 4 STAGES OF SLEEP. Is THIS ABNORMAL,AND IF SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN? moST OF THE TIME AT HOME WHEN i DREAM i USUSALLY WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DREAM. iM VERY CONFUSED ABOUT THIS. sTAGES 3 AND 4 ARE SUPPOSE TO BE RESTORATIVE SLEEP. wHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

[CT]

It means you should make more sense, and that your capslock is on.

[no REM sleep]

I dont find your comments amusing at all. This is to help others,not to make fun of their questions!!!

[Howie]

Could you explain a bit more about these studies that you were involved in? Who, What, Where? Legitiment? Are you regularley fatigued, tired during the day. Is it hard for you to wake up?

[Aphius]

Welcome to the forum no REM sleep! Originally posted by no REM sleep i HAVE3 HAD 3 SLEEP STUDIES. i FOR THE DIAGNOSIS AND 2 FOR cpapRETITRATIONS. noNE OF THE SLEEP STUDIES WITH the EXCEPTION OF A 20 MINUTE PERIOD OF REM SLEEP EVER SHOWED ANY 3 OR 4 STAGES OF SLEEP. Is THIS ABNORMAL,AND IF SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN? moST OF THE TIME AT HOME WHEN i DREAM i USUSALLY WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DREAM. iM VERY CONFUSED ABOUT THIS. sTAGES 3 AND 4 ARE SUPPOSE TO BE RESTORATIVE SLEEP. wHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN? I'm going to assume that you typed this out in quite a hurry... I couldn't help you as I don't know anything about sleep disorders. I'm sure someone might be able to help you, but its hard for people to take you seriously when your post looks like that.

[no REM sleep]

Yes,I typed this in a hurry and yes this is the same results on all 3 sleep studies. There was absolutly no stage 3 or 4 of sleep staging and only 20 minutes of REM sleep in the second study. Now-Does this make better sense? The question is what could possibly be some causes of improper sleep staging? Thes studies were done in a certified sleep lab.

[Howie]

Actually I would think that the certified sleep lab would have some answers for you. Why were you having the studies done? Had to have somthing to do with sleep wich would lead me to believe they would have some knowledge about sleep along with your test results.

[O'nus]

It means you're consistently "snoozing" and skipping the wave of sleep.. which means, you probably suffer from a lack of N-methly-d-aspartate.. or you have attention deficit disorder, or just a lack of serotonin or norepinephrine. Take melatonin pills or ritalin. Or let us know more details..?

[CT]

if you done these things in a proper sleep lab why dont you ask them, they're certified we dont know squat about stuff like that, we know how to induce LD's but not the scientific workings of your brain and stuff (well, perhaps some here but I doubt they're sleep disorder experts)

[Lowercase Society]

Hrm...it may be due to the fact that you had an uneasy sleep, and did not get that 'deep' into sleep...as O'nus said. Everyone has REM...at least from what i have heard...maybe it was suggestion, and apprehension factors... ...

[Truthbearer]

I have no experience in sleep disorders or such, so I will just welcome you with a muffin: WELCOME !!!!!!

[l3xicon]

OMG!!!!! DUDE!!!truthbeaerer was right!!! most people do have first posts like that! anyway, welcome.

[O'nus]

I didn't even think of it till I started talking about it in another post; you are describing symptons for obstructive sleep apnea, which is a leading cause to distracting the brain from having REM sleep (which is also very common through sleep disorders). Am I right?

[l3xicon]

hmm,

[O'nus]

Originally posted by padfoot hmm, Yes, maybe I should elaborate. Obstructive sleep apnea causes the airway muscles in the throat to collapse as sleep deepens. This prevents breathing, which causes arousal, and prevents the sufferer from entering the deeper stages of slow wave sleep. Thsi condition can also cause high blood pressure and may increase the risk of heart attack (why people will die in their sleep). There is also an increased risk of daytime accident, especially automobile accidents, which may prevent driving. Treatment is complex and may include a variety of attempts to reduce airway collapse during sleep. While simple things like losing weight, avoiding alcohol and sedating drugs prior to sleep, and avoiding sleeping on one's back can sometimes help, most people with sleep apnea require positive airway pressure to keep the airway open. This can be provided by fitting a small mask over the nose that provides an air stream under pressure during sleep. In some cases, surgery is needed to correct the airway anatomy. (Some information of OSA from my own texts, titles available upon PM, ) Hope I've been enlightening.

[no REM sleep]

Yes ONUS you are correct. I do suffer from severe sleep apnea. I d curently use the CPAP as treatment,but still I am having some problems. I have discovered that the antidepressant I have been taking,I suspect is the culprit also. I have the dose now down to 1/3 of what I had been taking. Had 3 dreams this week all of which I could recall and didnt wake up in the middle witht he exception of one. SOme one was chasing me and caught me and I was calling for help.but actually sat up int he bed and screamed out loudly enough to wake myself . SO........ I may have discovered the culprit.

[l3xicon]

ok, now i feel stupid.

[Truthbearer]

Originally posted by padfoot OMG!!!!! DUDE!!!truthbeaerer was right!!! most people do have first posts like that! anyway, welcome. Hate to burst your bubble, but your post was one of those....and a severe one too, while we're at it...

[l3xicon]

i know, but i didn't know so many people did that.

[LoriJ]

Agree with those who have suggested trying melatonin. I recently had a sleep study that indicated lack of REM sleep, which means I am not getting enough sleep during this most restorative (or "dream") phase. My doctor suggested trying melatonin and it is helping. And you should see your doctor for a follow-up and explanation of the sleep study results if you haven't already done so. One word of caution on the melatonin (which you can buy over the counter at drug stores and health food stores): try taking a half of one first. Some experts say that the amount of melatonin in those OTC products is 2-3 times what we need. The side effects from that over-dosage include headaches, gastric disturbances and feeling "hung over" the next day, all of which I experienced. I am much better on half the dosage, even though it didn't work as well in term of aiding my sleep. However, the trade off to me was worth it.

[Richter]

O'nus. Just yesterday purchased a cpap (a sleep apnea aid), as my doctor recommended it after two sleep studies. The studies indicated that my RDI (how many times I was "disturbed" with apnea during an hour) was 13 during most sleep, which is mild sleep apnea. However, during REM sleep, that number skyrocketed to 61, which is almost no sleep. Seeing as how I have had little dream recall up until now, this seems like a logical explanation! My question(s) is/are: Are there any LDers out there that use the cpap, and is it normal to have difficulty falling asleep at first with the cpap? I don't know if you're an expert, but you sounded like one in your post. Any help would be appreciated; I don't know where else to look.