Wild Question

[King-Tut-Tommy]

Hello everyone this is my first time posting here. Ok so when I do a wake back to bed I count my breaths. Then I either black out or I forget what just happend. Then I start to see VERY vivid images. This happend twice and now I know how to get there but one time my dad woke me up..... so nothing happend although the imiges did go by very fast. The other time I just woke up. So am i just about there? Im not too much of a noob when it comes to lucid dreaming I usually do a rc, but I wanted to try wilding. I figure incase wilding fails Ill just rc. Or if I succesfully Wild Ill be lucid. Ok Im goin to bed know good night.

[Faded_Awakening]

I understand where your coming from, I believe that WILD is difficult because you have to stay very relaxed. When the vivid images begin to appear I personally get so excited that I wake up. I haven't found a way to relax and just view the vivid images and realize whats going on.

[Neil.....]

I usually get the images pretty fast.... like 5-10 min into doing a WBTB but they stay 4 AGES and finally after a long time... they’ll start getting really crazy and ill feel like I’m falling and that gets so intense that I wake up What images do you see that wake you up?... mine are just waves of light like when you look up at from under water at the surface but it looks like I’m looking at the sun because its all purple and red ... if that made any sense lol

[irishcream]

Sounds like you are in the first stages...when are you trying to WILD, is it just as you are going to sleep? If this is the case, you are more likely to fall asleep without remembering a dream, because you aren't as close to REM sleep at this point in the night. It's best to try it after five or six hours of sleep, and to have an idea of what you want to achieve when you go back to sleep, and a definable point at which you will be able to tell you are dreaming. If you go to the Tutorial section, that has a good tutorial on WILDing, written by Seeker. I think it's called 'the five phases of WILD.' Check it out, and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

[King-Tut-Tommy]

Sounds like you are in the first stages...when are you trying to WILD, is it just as you are going to sleep? If this is the case, you are more likely to fall asleep without remembering a dream, because you aren't as close to REM sleep at this point in the night. It's best to try it after five or six hours of sleep, and to have an idea of what you want to achieve when you go back to sleep, and a definable point at which you will be able to tell you are dreaming. If you go to the Tutorial section, that has a good tutorial on WILDing, written by Seeker. I think it's called 'the five phases of WILD.' Check it out, and feel free to PM me if you have any questions. [/b] I did read it, I do count and listen to my breath. Tonight I intended to do it for a little bit like a half hour. Instead I wound up doing it for 2 hours is there a reason for that? It seemed like time was going by normally but it went by awfully quick when I decided to check the clock for the hell of it. I have good dream recall I usually remeber 5 dreams a night (i just cant keep a dream journal because of this broken wrist). I do a wbtb, but I don't do stay awake for 30-40 mins I was but read somewhere that you should try to do it for 5 if its not working for you. Thats how I got the images to work. As for the images, The ones I had for the second time I could control what happend in it. Say there were 2 people in them I coucld make them do anything. But it was more like a slide show. The images were just like looking at normal life just still images.

[irishcream]

I did read it, I do count and listen to my breath. Tonight I intended to do it for a little bit like a half hour. Instead I wound up doing it for 2 hours is there a reason for that? It seemed like time was going by normally but it went by awfully quick when I decided to check the clock for the hell of it. I have good dream recall I usually remeber 5 dreams a night (i just cant keep a dream journal because of this broken wrist). I do a wbtb, but I don't do stay awake for 30-40 mins I was but read somewhere that you should try to do it for 5 if its not working for you. Thats how I got the images to work. As for the images, The ones I had for the second time I could control what happend in it. Say there were 2 people in them I coucld make them do anything. But it was more like a slide show. The images were just like looking at normal life just still images. [/b] Hmm...as for the time going fast, i wonder if you fell asleep and didn't realise it. This happens to me sometimes, i'll wake suddenly in the middle of the night thinking i've only just shut my eyes, and it turns out it's three am! You say you can't keep a dreamjournal because you have a broken wrist? What about using a tape recorder, and then when your hand is better, you can write them down. Also, when you are more awake, you can play it back and make a mental note of your dreamsigns. Hope this helps!

[Neil.....]

Ok I thought I knew what was happing when I did a WBTB because the last 3 times I'd lay there, start 2 see blures of lights and then id feel a falling sentation... but now I just lay there and nothing happens, I dont fall asleep... but i dont move or stay 100% awake how.... crap lol Do you think i should give the WBTB a rest for a wile and just focus on dream recall.... because thats all over the place... one min its like I remember 3 dreams a night and then none at all and then 1 maby... lol what should i do? lol

[hainsaw3]

Yeah that time speeding up thing happened to me too, it was 9:00 it felt like 5 minutes passed by and it 9:30! As for not remembering the derams, thats happening to me right now.... Its either stress, or maybe waking up to a alarm, and some other things i cant think of right now.... (please correct me if im wrong)

[King-Tut-Tommy]

I got my cast off today so i can finally begin my dream journal. I thought about doing the recorder thing a week ago but mine broke a few months back and i didnt feel like getting a new one. So I can now restart it again . Good Night.

[Quota]

The Wake Initiated Lucid Dream It's a special type of meditation that uses the sleep mechanism to trick the subconscious into supplying dream material to your conscious mind. I have read some extremely lengthy descriptions of how to do this technique described as the 'Holy Grail' of lucid dreaming. All of my curiosity in lucid dreaming over the years found the rules, signs, and practices of other techniques too much to deal with. I considered lucid dreaming as a whole, the realm of the gifted, the lucky, or a highly disciplined mind. I feel that the wake initiated lucid dream is most easily achieved if the dreamer has experienced a lucid dream before in his/her life. I had lucid dreams with less control and gradually more control that initiated out of a normal dream-state without my intending to do anything. When I approached wake initiating a dream (had never heard of the term), I already knew the feeling of lucidity and the sense of detail I was after. I knew it was possible, I just had to get to that mind state somehow. Mental preparedness only means that you have been thinking about doing this task and looking for the right time period to pull it off. Relaxed and quiet time with no-one around. If you meditate, it's like preparing for that. I find mid or late morning after waking is the best time. I'm already rested but could go back to sleep if I wanted. I like a half cup of coffee before I go. I had success in the bathtub, but longer experiences in a dark, quiet bed. You have to get rid of external stimulus. I use earplugs and something over the eyes to block out all the light. You are isolating the mind so it can create it's own stimulus. Relaxation, non-focus and reducing mind chatter is your initial goal as you go under. You are trying to observe your body go to sleep. That’s it. The half cup of coffee should help you stay conscious. This may take a little patience, but hang on, the body will go to sleep eventually. Not much is going to happen until your body goes into sleep mode. Again, you're goal is to watch this happen. Let whatever you see happen because it has no bearing until your body goes to sleep. You'll know you are there when you can't feel your body. Once the body has lost it's sensations (like when you sleep), your mind is free to interact with the subconscious. The subconscious being: the immense record of all the sights, textures, sounds and smells you have ever experienced but don't know how to remember. I like to focus on appearing somewhere. I have a loose idea of where and then with a kind of will, appear there. Observe, concentrate and try to bring in as much detail as possible at first. I like to test how quickly I can whip my head around and have the landscape fill in around me. Again I'll say that this type of dreaming requires some will, not just passive observation. Things may not just happen to you. You can test the scene, look at yourself, your hands, the surroundings or whatever to coax more from the subconscious. Of course, this is just my experience and there may be some that simply dive in without effort!

[Neil.....]

That sounds sooooo cool.... ever since I found this site I have wanted to pull of a WILD but I can never get passed the falling sensation.... it just goes nowere.... either that or ill fall and end up awake (for real) in bed When you said "You'll know you are there when you can't feel your body." dose that mean... AT ALL.... like if i told my arm 2 move it woudlnt?

[Quota]

"You'll know you are there when you can't feel your body." Yes, well, beyond a reasonable level. If I heard the fire alarm go off in the building, I would "wake" up enough to move my body. This is the crucial point. You want to consciously fall your body asleep and have your mind stay awake. Like, if you want to scratch your nose, it would take an enormous amount of energy to do that. The point being that you can't feel your body and it would take a large amount of energy to "wake" your body so it would obey your mind. It isn't actually that complicated. You stay awake and meditate on relaxing, the body falls into a sleeping state. There is a portion of this process where you don't really think about anything. You kind of mindlessly watch your body go to sleep. When you notice the body is not responding, you kind of wake up in your mind. This is the point where you realize you can do anything with your mind.