well thanks for the replies, It while it sounds kind of difficult it seems worth pursuing since i spend so much time doing it but barely understand it,i have a lot of people to talk about it where I am. One question though, if the logic center and the part of the brain that make you move turn off during sleep why do people and animals move in their sleep, and if you can't really reason without your logic center then how do you gain awareness? I also read that an experiment was done to test at what speed lucid dreaming occurred (counting to 10) and they found it to be real time. If this is so then why can you have a long dream in a short period time, does the dream slow down to allow you to make conscious thoughts and decisions? or am i way off track?