Thread: A dreams that feels real

Hi. I m new here and I m not sure if this kind of topics was posted before. Wanted to search but I m not sure what it's called.

Real -> dream -> dream -> dream

I know that I was asleep and dreaming, not a bad dream, simply wanted to wake up, I did, but I wasn't in the real world. I m in another dream. Something like I jump up from either a bed/sofa in a room that wasn't mine. I felt the rush and such, but I m still dreaming. I knew this because it was dark (sort of grayscale dream). Since I thought that this may be a better dream than before, I just let it be and started to walk around. Trouble was, there's no other place than that room and sometimes I felt like someone was around but I couldn't see anyone. Simply feel like there's a figure somewhere watching. Fully furnitured studio room with something that I think is a fire place. There were also a smaller room (either a kitchen or bathroom, I can't seem to recall it) around the corner. I remember cause it's been a few times I 'woke up' in the same place. I tried to open my real eyes, even try to peel my eyes open, but it's hard. Everytime I tried, it seems like I always 'wake up' in another dream that is the same room. After a while, I just force my eyes open and back to the real world. I was sleeping on my stomach hugging my pillow and my hands were under the pillow, so sort of like pinning my own hands down. But I felt like I peeled my eyes open. Of course it was tiring, so I just close my eyes a bit... and, I m back in that room again and the proses repeats itself... what a tiring dream. And I think all this only took a few minutes in the real world, but feel like hours. (Brain clock runs faster).

The way I counter the dream is when I woke up (real) I just turn and sleep on my back and I woke up in the morning.

... After that long explanation of my dream, I just wonder if there is anyone else that had the same kind of "dreams"

N.B: I actually remember more details of the dreams, but I don't want to write a 'novel' in a forum

heres a extraction from www.lucidity.com <- theyre the researchers who research lucid dreaming
forgive me for copying such a large amount of text!
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3. Ambiguities in Lucidity Induction
With increasing experience, some facets of lucid dreaming become habitual, making the classification of dream lucidity more ambiguous. Consider the following example:

(DJD74) "My (nonlucid) dream involved me, X and a bunch of other people. We were all roommates in a big house. I was unaware that I was dreaming. There was a party going on or something. We were down in the basement hanging out. However, at some point in the dream I looked at X and told him I’d be back in a little bit because I was going to go up to my room and try to project! I went up to my bedroom in this dream house. Again, at this point I thought everything was normal and had no idea I was dreaming. I laid down on my bed and started concentrating to leave just exactly like I always do on the physical plane….[text omitted of a 1400 word lucid dream report]

…I decided I was done for the time being, so I got up out of bed. I was still in the dream house and still unaware that I was dreaming. I went looking for some paper to record my experience. I ended up going back into the basement where everyone was still hanging out. X was there and the others and I told them all about the projection I had just had. Meanwhile, I’m getting very concerned that I can’t find any paper. Then I woke up for real. For a moment I was totally disoriented."

In this example, DJD, in the midst of a nonlucid dream, performs his habitual techniques for achieving a WILD. He then experienced what was, for all practical purposes, a typical lucid dream. Following this, he "awakes" in the exact same nonlucid dream setting and seeks paper to record his lucid dream, which is also a habitual behavior. Shortly thereafter, DJD truly wakes up in a momentarily disoriented state.

How is one to classify such an experience? What we see here is a lucid dream nested perfectly inside of a nonlucid dream. One could argue that DJD merely dreamt that he was lucid dreaming, but this clarifies nothing. The characteristics of the lucid dream (the omitted text) were identical in general features to all of his other lucid dreams. What we believe this particular sequence represents is the cooperation between the global nonlucid dream context and DJD’s lucid dream context. In this particular instance, the global nonlucid dream context provided perfectly for the full expression of the lucid dream context because the subject dreamt all of the requisite details needed for activation of his lucid dream context. After completion of the lucid dream, the lucid dream context returned control of access to the dreamer’s consciousness to the previous nonlucid dream context. This kind of situation could only result because the subject possessed a well-defined lucid dream context that could clearly demarcate itself from the global nonlucid dream context.
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hope that helped yah!

Nice info, Damascus.
And welcome Gu35s

It's commonly known as a FA or False Awakening.
Im my opinion it matters little how far down the tree you are, it still operates more or less the same.
However when you have a FA, things tend to be more vivid.

That is the first account I've heard of where the guy remembered the inner and outer dream on both sides. Very interesting

Originally posted by Damascus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Damascus)</div>

What we see here is a lucid dream nested perfectly inside of a nonlucid dream.[/b]

wow, that was some interesting info. I was actually just looking around over here for some info on stuff like this, as I just experienced the exact same thing (thing meaning lucid dream nested inside of a nonlucid dream, and you awake from the lucid dream back to the nonlucid dream). Thanks for posting that.

Originally posted by Placebo@
It's commonly known as a FA or False Awakening.

Now, I'm not a scientist or anything, but I'm not so sure an experience like this can be classified as a false awakening (FA). In an FA, the intent is to wake up to waking reality, but instead you find yourself waking up to another dream.

Having just experienced a lucid dream inside of a nonlucid dream, I can say that I don't think it was an FA. In the nonlucid dream the intent was quite clear to have a lucid dream (this occurred and the intent was carried out; nothing false here). It therefore follows, that at the end of the lucid dream, the intent is to re-awake back into the nonlucid dream, and this as well occurred and the intent was carried out; nothing false here either.

Or put another way, in the phenomenon Damascus posted about, you re-awake to the same reality you fell asleep from (on all levels too: waking reality to a dream -> dream to lucid dream -> lucid dream back to same dream -> dream back to waking reality). In contrast, in an FA, you re-awake to a different reality than you fell asleep from.

I hope I explained this ok, and why I think it is not an FA or can't be classified as one. [Edit for clarification: It meaning the phenomenon of nested nonlucid/lucid dreams, and not Gu35s's experience, which very much does sound like an FA]

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That is the first account I've heard of where the guy remembered the inner and outer dream on both sides.

Jut curious, but if people don't remember there was an inner dream or there was an outer dream, how can they be sure there was an inner or outer dream? How can they know it was nested dreams and not one dream flowing to another, whereby they forget one?

Originally posted by Placebo
It's commonly known as a FA or False Awakening.

After going back over the thread, I see you were more than likely directing that comment to Gu35s, and not Damascus and the info he posted. Sorry if I was a bit defensive.

This kind of situation could only result because the subject possessed a well-defined lucid dream context that could clearly demarcate itself from the global nonlucid dream context.[/b]

Does that mean I am a super GOD of my dreams? ... Well, a super GOD that can't wake up! :

Damascus: I think the difference between me and the person in the example was that I knew that it was a dream and he didn't. And he only had very little experience since he didn't really know it. In my case, I tried to wake up from a dream and I simply can't.

Placebo: There is always the first time

Dream-scape: I think sometimes I wake up in a different reality, but in the same room. I m not very sure, but sometimes the setting of the room seems different, although it may be just me. Then again, I think it can still be called FA since I did wake up in a dream.
Edit: I thought I posted this before Dream-scape... Sorry