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      Terrifying, disturbing dreams

      Hello,

      I signed up for this forum because I'm pretty much desperate for some insight and maybe some understanding.

      I have been a very vivid dreamer as long as I can remember. I still remember dreams from when I was very young, and remember the sensations from the dreams as if they were part of my waking life.

      Lately (the past 8 years or so, I'm 30 years old) I have been having increasingly disturbing dreams. I've started to think that there is something wrong with my psyche or the chemical makeup in my brain for my subconscious to come up with such disturbing thoughts and have them be so vivid. My dreams often involve animals, usually pets. My friend has 2 dogs that I love to death, and my disturbing pet dreams only used to involve one of her dogs. Lately my dreams have involved my own cat.

      I'll give a few examples so you understand where I'm coming from:

      Last night I dreamt that I had 2 cats and a dog (I only have one cat). When I went into a Chinese restaurant, someone had murdered my pets and placed their faces (not their entire heads) onto the floor in front of the Buddas on the floor. I was praying that these faces were not those of my pets, and trying to convince myself that they were not mine, but they were. I was horrified, and asked the owner why my dead pet's faces were in his restaurant. He said that they had been placed there by a competitor and he had been threatened with death if he removed them. I ran out of the restaurant, cursing God for allowing this to happen. I collapsed on the street, raised my arms to the sky, and was screaming at God.

      I had a dream about 6 months ago that myself and my friends' dog (Daisy) were kidnapped. As we were being driven away in the kidnappers' vehicle, Daisy was trying to jump out of the open window. I was begging her not to jump, because I was afraid she would hurt herself because we were traveling at such a high speed, but she jumped out of the window anyway. When we pulled up to my house (not actually my house), Daisy was at the end of the driveway, and the kidnappers' friends had cut off her front legs. There were blood smears on the driveway where she had been pushing herself around, and I ran to her and held her, crying. (I now know exactly how it feels to hold Daisy in my arms while she slowly bleeds to death and doesn't have any front legs).

      About a year ago I dreamt that I was in my old apartment (where I lived with my ex) and a man broke into the apartment. I ran into the bedroom to hide, but he found me. He had a knife, and as I raised my hands to protect myself from his stabbing, he was stabbing me in the hands and arms. (I feel I know what it feels like to be stabbed in the hands and arms now, because of this dream).

      My friends think I'm crazy when I tell them about my dreams. My Mom is worried. I'm starting to wonder what's wrong with me.

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      There is nothing wrong with you. You don`t have a broken psyche or misplace chemicals in your head. Terms like "disturbed" "psychotic" etc only apply to people who act on impulses either dictated to them by dreams or voices. As long as your waking life is relatively alright ( you haven`t killed anyone or yourself) you have hope.
      I won`t bother going into the details of how dreams come up, and how nightmares are formed - because there are many theories that you can look up yourself on the internet. What I will say is this - if these dreams are worrying you so much - try seeking professional help. Don't buy into any new age things lightly - like buying dream catchers ( I have a BIG dream catcher yet i`ve been having CONSTANT nightmares since the age of 12 - but i don`t mind them anymore) or stuff like that.
      Seek psychological help - and find the root of these dreams. While this site is fantastic, and you might try some lucid dream experiences to start fighting off the fear, finding your inner self, the dreams you describe, and the effect they have on you will take help fighting.
      About the nature of the dreams - please do not worry. Let me be the first to tell you that you are not alone in these dreams. I too have had some pretty horrible dreams.
      ( I used to have a dog I loved alot. One night I dreamed I was eating him, quite calmly before realising he was still alive on the table. My whole family was there laughing. Our mouths dripping blood, and my beloved dog, yelling - even though cut to pieces like a roasted pig)
      You are not alone here. My advice is to seek help - find the root of these dreams , while at the same time attempt to control them using the guides used here. Lucid Dreams can be effective from what I have read. Besides I remember having nightmares in which I became lucid ( aware that i am dreaming ) and fought off the monster/murderer etc.
      Don't hesitate to post, ask for advice.

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      Hey Kee,

      As far as nightmares, what causes them, and what they mean, I cannot tell you. I can offer you a way to get over these nightmares, and this is what I suggest you do:

      Learning to lucid dream will offer you the ability to be lucid, to control the dreams, and to consciously direct your behavior and the course of the dream. The purpose of this website is to teach others to lucid dream, or to become awake and aware in a dream while it is still happening.

      One way to do this is to ask yourself, every time you see a pet, if you are dreaming or not. Your pets could serve as a dream sign, and you could easily become aware in your dreams that they are simply dreams. This awareness and control could provide you with the ability to rationalize and to think logically- this is a dream, this is not real. These are not my pets. Furthermore, such awareness could allow you to wish your own pets, healthy and well, to appear in the dream and rid you of these nightmares.

      I don't know if you've ever had a lucid dream, or if you've just stumbled on here for some dream interpretation advice. But I think that, as you are having these dreams about pets so frequently, you could very quickly learn to become lucid in your dreams and to overcome these nightmares.

      If this sounds like something you are willing to try out, well, you've stumbled upon the right website Let me know, and I'll do my best to help you learn to lucid dream

      Here's some more info that I PMed to another person who is suffering nightmares and who has turned to lucid dreaming to help her overcome them:

      Quote Originally Posted by Shift
      Lucid dreaming is, simply, having a dream and knowing that you are dreaming while you are dreaming. It's having your mind be awake and aware, and realizing that you are inside of a false dream reality as your body stays asleep and dreaming.

      Spoiler for Looooooong read, sorry! haha:
      Last edited by Shift; 03-24-2009 at 06:22 PM.

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      Thanks for the input.

      I believe that I have only experienced lucid dreaming once. It was in the midst of a nightmare, and I realized while fleeing the person chasing me that it was a dream, so I turned and told him so.

      I don't know what prompted this lucidity, and one of the purposes of my post was to find out if lucid dreaming could help in dreams like the ones I've been having. I am more than willing to try out anything, and very open to and appreciative of tips about how to be a more lucid dreamer.

      I figure that if I can't rid myself of these kinds of dreams, at least I can step in while they're happening and assert some control over them. Thanks both of you, and any insight you can give about lucid dreaming is very welcome.

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      Kee, I used to have recurring, disturbing dreams, too. There are many theories about dreams and, since I'm not a therapist, I can only give you some ideas to pursue.

      One theory is that every element in your dream is a reflection of some aspect of yourself. Under this theory, you are you as well as the Chinese restaurant owner, the pet's faces, the competitor, the dog that jumped out of the car, the dog who lost his front legs and was bleeding to death, the dog you couldn't control, (same dog, 3 aspects of him,) etc. Try to evaluate your dreams from this viewpoint and see if you recognize any patterns that match your personality, your fears, your failings, disappointments, or other negatives that you consider devastating in your real life. These can include personality traits, habits, characteristics, or any other personal attribute. Whatever these images represent, it is going to be something that feels or at least seems to be devastating to you in real life. By that I mean that some things aren't really that horrible, unless you don't know how to deal with it.

      Personally, I always found it hard to use that theory to figure out my dreams, but it is a well-documented one, I believe Jung's. I use another method, and maybe it will work for you. I journal dreams as much as I can remember them. I write down everything that jumps out at me, colors, textures, sounds, quality of anything in the dream, as well as the storyline, outcome, impact, every feeling regarding everything in the dream.

      As I recall them, I write down any associations I make to any element of the dream. Sometimes I can figure them out right away, other times I had to wait for enough dreams to reveal a trend.

      My first experience in understanding dreams came from one my Mom had. She was a worrier, and often said that she "felt like she was coming apart at the seams." One day she told me she dreamt she was sewn together like a dress and all the thread was falling out. I reminded her of her usual description of feeling stress, and she related to it, immediately.

      That was one of the more obvious dream interpretations. The point of that is that sometimes understanding your dreams can be as simple as that one. And sometimes we're just too close to the situation to see it for what it is.

      My experience with recurring dreams was terrifying to me, though not as horrifying as yours-they didn't involve something so personal and dear to me as my loved ones. I often dreamed of airplanes flying overhead, and in the dream had the feeling of impending doom. I knew the plane was going to crash. Every time, before it crashed, I woke up, preventing the inevitable disaster. Over and over I had similar dreams, always with some sort of airplane or helicopter about to crash. It wasn't until I finished school and started working in my new career that the dreams took on a slightly different pattern. I was a respiratory therapist, and worked with huge oxygen and other gas tanks. the dreams changed to where these planes were now dropping bombs. One time it dropped a "bomb" that turned out to be an oxygen tank. I can still hear it crashing to the street and rolling down the hill, in front of my parents house. It had that echoing metallic sound of large cylinders falling to the ground. It didn't explode, which told me that the crashing wasn't representing my death, or impending disaster.

      I began looking for other explanations, and finally realized that these planes and "bombs" represented either what wasn't under my control, or what I didn't understand enough to feel comfortable with. In other words, I was intimidated by bosses, work situations, any situation I didn't understand enough to predict how to respond or what someone else might be doing (i.e., was a boss a jerk and making my job harder, or did I not understand that circumstances required everyone to step up their performance? or Was I making a mountain out of a molehill?)

      When I finally began realizing what triggered these kinds of dreams, I began using them to assess where I felt threatened in my waking hours, where I felt I had no control, where I needed to learn and understand more, where I just felt afraid. I also realized that the symbol of the planes and bombs came from my father, who had been a WWII vet and often watched WWII movies on TV. The sound of those planes had to create fear and a sense of helplessness, or at least I imagined that's how the men must have felt. Who knew where that bomb would land? And the outcome would be final and instantaneous, with no chance to go back and change the outcome.

      As I learned to face my fears, and learn all I could about the things that intimidated me, the dreams came less frequently. One day, many years later, I had another dream, and in this one, I knew the plane would crash. I was hesitant, didn't want it to crash, but knew it had to. This time I knew it would be the last of those dreams as I had, finally gotten over my fears and leaned to be comfortable with not being in control, because I had learned to respond to anything that came up with a willingness to work it out. The plane represented my fears and the feeling of impending doom that they caused me.

      As for your dreams, your repetition is that something horrific happens to animals that you love. As I wrote that sentence my gut told me to write "the animals and the way they are depicted are revealing something about what you have to face and resolve."

      You saw their faces in front of "Buddha" but screamed at "God" for what happened because of a competitor? Here are some questions to try to answer:
      Why didn't you scream at the restaurant owner for letting someone do that without fighting back?
      Why weren't you angry with the competitor for using this tactic to control someone, and for hurting your animals and you?
      Why were YOUR animals involved in this (or was it YOUR competitor rather than the Restaurant owners?)
      Do you see Buddha competing with God, or with what you were taught to believe?
      Because it was only their faces, is there something you need to "face"?
      Does it involve a belief system (Buddhism vs. Judaism or Christianity?)
      In the dream with the dog jumping from the car:
      Do you see yourself speeding through life?
      Are you looking for a place to jump off the fast track?
      Do you hesitate because you think that your hands are tied?
      Do you feel as though you're being drained (really stressed, pressed for more than you can give? Being bled to death?)
      Note that the dog lost his front legs and bled to death in your arms in one dream, and the intruder was stabbing you in the hands and arms in the other.

      Your dream patterns include pets, arms, hands, violence, loss of control, someone else being in control, spiritual leader and the Creator, and homes/places of nourishment, and that someone threatens you–loss of life, loss of capabilities (hands and arms/legs), loss of love(ed ones).

      The restaurant is a place of nourishment. So are spiritual leaders. The competitor (evil, Satan?) to do something that horrible and place that "in front of" Buddha (i.e., as in "before" or "more important than"). Evil ALWAYS puts itself before everything else.

      In my dreams, a house usually represents me, my body, or my soul, as they are the place where I live all the time. You dreamed of your house in two dreams and a restaurant with a Buddha once. The restaurant and the Buddha can represent nourishment. In one dream you were taken to "your home" though it wasn't really your home.

      In all three dreams you were a victim of some unidentified and powerful adversary. You were completely helpless against all three. In one dream he was doing violence to you (in your apt home), and in two dreams doing violence to pets you loved which hurt you as if they had done the violence to you. In one of those was in "your home" (though it wasn't your real life home) and in the other in the restaurant (another possible home-like place.) In both of those dreams you specifically noted how it felt to.....) so, another pattern is your awareness of how pain, helplessness, fear and grief feel. The most recent dream hints at a competitor. Are you competing, physically, mentally, emotionally or spiritually. If so, with whom or what (including yourself in some way.)

      Are you dealing with a spiritual conflict of what to believe, being confused, deceived, or brainwahsed?

      Are you dealing with a physical competitor? Life stress? Becoming aware of new levels of understanding that leave you feeling betrayed by your more youthful levels of understanding? Could this be the competition? New understanding vs. your "pet" or most comfortable understandings? (opposite of "pet" peeves.) Do you feel betrayed by God by finding out what you've always believed is not so? In other words, are you either becoming confused by conflicting beliefs, or by becoming more open minded?

      You're at an age where you are letting go of childish beliefs, adolescent and young adult beliefs, all of which are limited by incomplete brain development. It takes several years for us to realize that our ability to become comfortable with abstract thinking vs. black-and-white thinking of youth, presents very different understanding of everything. Furthermore, it changes continually. I'm 62 and am still realizing new perspectives on just about everything.

      So, maybe your dreams are conveying the complexities of melding material and spiritual understandings, competing beliefs, values, and the realization that we really have zero control over anything.

      Hope you can use even a little part of this. I know how disturbing dreams can be when they don't make sense and are so nightmarish. Rather than jump to the conclusion that something's wrong with you, try to find out what's actually right with you that your dreams can communicate this way. You may have more insight, or be maturing faster than the people you're telling about your dreams.

      My reluctance to jump right into lucid dreams at this point is that you might miss the opportunity to learn what these symbols represent to you. Even if you could figure out how to confront the oppressor (which isn't possible in the restaurant dream ... it all happened before you knew it, and you weren't concerned about the kidnapper who was apparently driving the car... your focus was on the animals as the active part of your dreams), you couldn't have stopped the injuries and death to the animals. It's better to know who/what the oppressor is, than to use lucid dreaming to run it off. You might just be suppressing something you're now ready to deal with.

      Alternatively, you could use lucid dreaming to ask each element in your dream who/what they are or what they represent, and what you need to resolve the cause of your nightmares.

      If it were a simple, surface thing, the dreams would be more self-explanatory. Dreams use symbols to convey the more intricate relationships between several things that can only be illustrated by imagery.
      Last edited by Micki; 02-02-2009 at 02:13 AM. Reason: spell check

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