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I know what you're saying but I've never even thought about the moon having an effect (besides the times I've read on it) and my sleeping patterns are really consistent. Like, regardless of what the moon is doing it can't be having an effect on me since I basically always take the same amount of time to sleep, dream about the same amount, and all that (unless I did something else that day like drank alot or stayed up late). So I don't see why it would vary based on a thing like that only to particular members of a species? The moon is likely just a rock that collided with the Earth through a Giant Impact (although there are refuting ideas). It really has no special significance besides small gravitational effects, tides, etc. on non-physical entities.

I could see the possibility of individual differences leading to some sort of change in individuals but since we are all the same species it would have to be rooted in a mutation, chromosomal division, or some other generational mutational change then. It's just that linking it to the moon is what's making me so skeptical; it just reminds me of astrology which ALWAYS fails any sort of reasoning, testing, or observation but people still seem to believe horoscopes o.O.

Even though I totally agree with your view on astrology (and am very sceptical to many concepts presented here that cant be proven) but many people I know feel they get more vivid dreams and unnatural sleep patterns during full moon (even my 8 year old brother complained once about dreams that seemed too real to be dreams without knowing it was full moon and definitely without having read up on it) so I think we cant completely discard it, especcially because so many things are bound to the moon (tides for example) which shows that he has a physical impact on earth.

i find that after a single session (a single joint only) with marijuanai am incapable of remember dreams, but this then knicks on to the next day and i ahve a realy vivid one then. dont worry im not a chronic smoker. i ahve also been drinking a lot of tea (4 cups a day) either green tea, or chamomile and i found taht my dream recall has increced, even on week days where i used to barely be able to remember anything, now i can remember teh dream i had this morning in some quite good detail.

anyone have any other teas worth trying give me a shout, i want to try some mugwurt tea, and dream herb tea, but dont know where i can buy either, also does anyone know if mugwurt is able to be cultivated in scotland?

hope my input was cool

DO A REALITY CHECK NOW!

The moon effects tides because of gravity as does the sun but to a smaller extent. There is no reason to have similar effects on biological functions though. The effects of tides are very easy to explain. There is no property of the moon that makes it have the stated effects on biology however. It's basically likely just a fairly primitive "rock" that broke off from the earth following a large impact. No special minerals, substances, or forces exist that would cause it to have any magical effect versus other bodies in the solar system.

Originally Posted by Lusense

I know what you're saying but I've never even thought about the moon having an effect (besides the times I've read on it) and my sleeping patterns are really consistent. Like, regardless of what the moon is doing it can't be having an effect on me since I basically always take the same amount of time to sleep, dream about the same amount, and all that (unless I did something else that day like drank alot or stayed up late). So I don't see why it would vary based on a thing like that only to particular members of a species? The moon is likely just a rock that collided with the Earth through a Giant Impact (although there are refuting ideas). It really has no special significance besides small gravitational effects, tides, etc. on non-physical entities.

I could see the possibility of individual differences leading to some sort of change in individuals but since we are all the same species it would have to be rooted in a mutation, chromosomal division, or some other generational mutational change then. It's just that linking it to the moon is what's making me so skeptical; it just reminds me of astrology which ALWAYS fails any sort of reasoning, testing, or observation but people still seem to believe horoscopes o.O.

Astrology fails reasoning and testing because people doing the testing probably have a half-assed idea of what its doing. And astrology only tells of what energy is present(way stars affect our enviroment) and what is likely.. Hard to test the uncertain. Horoscopes are different than straight astrology.. (Horoscopes is commercialized astrology..)

I don't think a mutation or anything is necessary for people to be affected differently, we all don't function the same. Yes the basic functions are usually the same, but everyone experiences things differently, enjoy different tastes, music etc... Maybe some of us are just more aware of something, or are more easily affected by certain things.

Those preferences are a combination of environment and genetics. Differences in taste are usually just because of differing experiences. Like if you grow up in the Orient you're more likely to like seafood and this and that. Or if you eat peppers alot you're more likely to like them. That's why if you eat a food you don't like you will eventually adapt a taste for it if you force yourself for long enough and why people in different areas of the world or different demographics have similar (not exactly since conditions vary from home to home) eating, music patterns, and stuff. That's different than having a biological predisposition. It needs to be implemented in the genes for something like that to exist even if it was possible, that's not arguable, Lamarckian ideas have long been refuted.

It's easy to make broad claims about science and not point to any specific studies which is what you're doing to try to refute alot of the points I make but in reality the majority of those studies are very reliable since they go through numerous peer reviews and are specifically intended to be disprovable. Astrology is not backgrounded in any sort of rational as are many other similar fields. Honestly, I've seen alot of the tests in those fields and regardless of the excuses people make they are FAR from not fair. People try to come up with excuses for them when making them any more "reasonable" would just be a completely flawed design. It just seems that in all these pseudoscientific topics atleast 99.9% of the people are clearly lying (lets refer this comment to any of these fields and not specifically astrology) so I wouldn't be surprised about the other "0.1%".

Also, that person that asked about psychedelics. I had a few dreams where I was tripping out on salvia in my dreams after having done it earlier haha. I know some of them can directly affect sleep and I've had some experience with that but I guess that depends on the psychedlic.

Originally Posted by Lusense

Those preferences are a combination of environment and genetics. Differences in taste are usually just because of differing experiences. Like if you grow up in the Orient you're more likely to like seafood and this and that. Or if you eat peppers alot you're more likely to like them. That's why if you eat a food you don't like you will eventually adapt a taste for it if you force yourself for long enough and why people in different areas of the world or different demographics have similar (not exactly since conditions vary from home to home) eating, music patterns, and stuff. That's different than having a biological predisposition. It needs to be implemented in the genes for something like that to exist even if it was possible, that's not arguable, Lamarckian ideas have long been refuted.

It's easy to make broad claims about science and not point to any specific studies which is what you're doing to try to refute alot of the points I make but in reality the majority of those studies are very reliable since they go through numerous peer reviews and are specifically intended to be disprovable. Astrology is not backgrounded in any sort of rational as are many other similar fields. Honestly, I've seen alot of the tests in those fields and regardless of the excuses people make they are FAR from not fair. People try to come up with excuses for them when making them any more "reasonable" would just be a completely flawed design. It just seems that in all these pseudoscientific topics atleast 99.9% of the people are clearly lying (lets refer this comment to any of these fields and not specifically astrology) so I wouldn't be surprised about the other "0.1%".

Also, that person that asked about psychedelics. I had a few dreams where I was tripping out on salvia in my dreams after having done it earlier haha. I know some of them can directly affect sleep and I've had some experience with that but I guess that depends on the psychedlic.

It's easy to write off what I say because I don't have any studies to show you but, we must always remember that everything hasn't always been discovered and understood.

I don't believe 99.9% of people who have psychic visions for instance is lying, I know for a fact that I'm not lying for instance. I know it's not a delusion, and I'm positive that it is a possible thing to be achieved. How or why on the other hand I am not sure.

Astrology has no rational that you understand is what you meant, just because you don't understand how it works or what it really is doesn't mean its nonsense. Studies done on astrology which I can't think of anything I'm sure were half-assed and attempted by those with no real knowledge or understanding of that subject.

Peer review has many of its own issues, such as the common occurrence of people seeing things how they want to. Peer review is better for the widely accepted, and widely studied.

How does anyone measure the subtle energies created by the planets and stars and how they affect us? And how do you set up a working experiment, it escapes me.