Thread: Does being lucid stop you from resting.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Well, because they never experienced it and they don't believe the evidence. And even with evidence, they don't want to believe anything "wierd". Plus, it kind of reminds them that they don't know everything. They want to think that everyone is like them except for 'wierd' people and that they are 'normal'. They don't see everyone else talking about or believing in lucid dreams so they go along with the flock and shrug it off. also, it has occult connotations to them. It reminds them of things like astral projection and magick and that is just either crazy hocus-pocus or it is satanic to them. Plus they don't see any value in it if it is true. They have little imaginations. They think "so you can do anything you want? So what?". Plus they might be a little bitter that they can't do anything that they want so why should anyone else. You don't get to do anything you want in life, wake up and join the real world. That is what they might think.
Ahhh, such little imagination and such bitterness and ignorance

I guess all of this is true but I still don't get it. I remember how I found lucid dreams... I was talking about dreams with someone and realized how much they were cool. I wanted to remember more of them. I thought that if I trained I might be able to remember ALL of my dreams. So I researched "how to remember dreams" and found lucid dreaming... I realized I might never remember ALL my dreams but I thought lucid dreams were just 100000 times better and I thought I had found the best thing in the world and i didn't even doubt one second, i just started researching as much as I could.

I didn't doubt, so its hard for me to think people react like that to them. My mom blames every mistake I do on lucid dreams...

But what really bugs me is that I feel so lonely. I don't know anyone else that does lucid dreams or that is interested in them. Don't you guys feel like that? Lucid dreams are so cool that it's hard for me to to talk about them, especially with my family which all know I do them but they always ask me to stop talking about them. I don't get it! They don't just ignore me, they tell me to STOP talking about. They tell me they don't care. normally, when someone talks about something boring everyone pretends they're interested but no they tell me to stop, and then they (my brothers) start talking about video games... It annoys me. The only place that I can talk about lucid dreams is here but I don't actually know anyone here (for real) so its not the same... I wish more peopel knew about them... At least one person that I would know.

I don't have hard evidence to back me up, but I've been on the site for over a year now and this has come up many times. As far as I can tell, we haven't come up with anything conclusive, but here's my logical thought process:

Most of the reason for needing sleep is to recover the energy that your body uses up. You see (if I remember correctly; I had to study a chart for school once) your body is constantly gaining and losing energy, but during waking life, your body can't gain enough energy to make up for what it loses, so you sleep to recharge. Now, I imagine, the part that the brain needs is a very minimal part. You could probably make this up in your Non-REM sleep, in which you are highly unlikely to have any dreams requiring too much concentration to the brain.
So, to answer your question, if you did NOTHING but lucid dream while you were asleep, it probably wouldn't be good for your health. But, otherwise, you should be fine.

Also, nice to have you back Sleepy. Hope you stay for a while.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

But what really bugs me is that I feel so lonely. I don't know anyone else that does lucid dreams or that is interested in them. Don't you guys feel like that? Lucid dreams are so cool that it's hard for me to to talk about them, especially with my family which all know I do them but they always ask me to stop talking about them. I don't get it! They don't just ignore me, they tell me to STOP talking about. They tell me they don't care. normally, when someone talks about something boring everyone pretends they're interested but no they tell me to stop, and then they (my brothers) start talking about video games... It annoys me. The only place that I can talk about lucid dreams is here but I don't actually know anyone here (for real) so its not the same... I wish more peopel knew about them... At least one person that I would know.

I know what you mean. I know only a few people that are into dreaming and they are only interested in interpreting them and they aren't into the lucidity as much. And they are all on the other side of the country. And they aren't even my close friends. My close friends think its neat but they aren't interested in putting in the discipline. I guess they aren't THAT interested. We are a unique tribe of people, SleepyCookieDough. Get used to it. It is kind of lonely out here on the fringe.

For Vividly: I think there are biological (and associated psycological) problems with having excessive REM... which some people have.... which your teacher may be confusing with lucid dreaming.

For Dannon Oneironaut: You said, When a lucid dream ends, stay lucid, without waking up. Before a lucid dream begins, stay lucid. When you awake in the morning, stay lucid. During the day, stay lucid. Before you go to bed, stay lucid.

Could you elaborate on this, please? I think i may have done this after my WILD this morning. I woke up but was able to access the creativity of the dreamstate but was not getting visuals. At some point, however, i transitioned into "i think i'll wake up now".

So what does it mean to "live lucid"? It is a phased thing ie depending on whether you just came out of a lucid dream ... or is being lucid a constant state of awareness? if so what is it like?

Also, do you think periodically using sound to bring on certain brainwaves like theta and delta (or possibly even gamma) will help? i guess this is an alternative to meditating.

many thanks,
beachgirl

Originally Posted by beachgirl

For Dannon Oneironaut: You said, When a lucid dream ends, stay lucid, without waking up. Before a lucid dream begins, stay lucid. When you awake in the morning, stay lucid. During the day, stay lucid. Before you go to bed, stay lucid.

Could you elaborate on this, please? I think i may have done this after my WILD this morning. I woke up but was able to access the creativity of the dreamstate but was not getting visuals. At some point, however, i transitioned into "i think i'll wake up now".

So what does it mean to "live lucid"? It is a phased thing ie depending on whether you just came out of a lucid dream ... or is being lucid a constant state of awareness? if so what is it like?

Also, do you think periodically using sound to bring on certain brainwaves like theta and delta (or possibly even gamma) will help? i guess this is an alternative to meditating.

many thanks,
beachgirl

To live lucid means to have that same relaxed self awareness that you have during a lucid dream during the day as well. To be able to pay attention to details around you at the same time as the whole environment as one unity and at the same time your own consciousness and to realize that the only way that you are able to perceive your environment is because of your own awareness. I get into this state by pretending that I am in a lucid dream during the day and I look at how effortlessly my mind creates the environment is such lucid detail. Of course I am awake and the question of whether or not it is a projection of my mind or not is purely philosophical, but I don't worry about the philosophy of it but I use it as a technique. Of course, having regular lucid dreams helps. During sleep one can remain lucid for the duration of the dream and even when the dream is over in which case if one doesn't wake up one will experience pure consciousness without form, it is very blissful. It is not an alternative to meditation... it IS meditation, or SAMADHI. I don't know about gamma waves, I'll have to research those. I use sound the sound technique I talked about above to prepare for WILDing. But I do the AH OM HUM RAM (rum) DZA mantra. I first do AH a number of times to vibrate the third eye until I am visualizing a strong white color and my head feels spacious, and I then move on to red OM in throat chakra and do likewise. Then blue HUM at heart likewise, Red RAM in belly likewise, and then green DZA in the root chakra. I take time with each syllable before moving on to the next. This has the effect of opening and purifying and energizing the channels and getting a good relaxed flow through body and mind which facillitates lucidity.

The other night I remained lucid the whole night and felt completely rested in the morning 8 hours later. I could tell that I was in DELTA when I wasn't dreaming but I felt like my head was in a bright light and I felt bodyless.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

To live lucid means to have that same relaxed self awareness that you have during a lucid dream during the day as well. To be able to pay attention to details around you at the same time as the whole environment as one unity and at the same time your own consciousness and to realize that the only way that you are able to perceive your environment is because of your own awareness. I get into this state by pretending that I am in a lucid dream during the day and I look at how effortlessly my mind creates the environment is such lucid detail. Of course I am awake and the question of whether or not it is a projection of my mind or not is purely philosophical, but I don't worry about the philosophy of it but I use it as a technique. Of course, having regular lucid dreams helps. During sleep one can remain lucid for the duration of the dream and even when the dream is over in which case if one doesn't wake up one will experience pure consciousness without form, it is very blissful. It is not an alternative to meditation... it IS meditation, or SAMADHI. I don't know about gamma waves, I'll have to research those. I use sound the sound technique I talked about above to prepare for WILDing. But I do the AH OM HUM RAM (rum) DZA mantra. I first do AH a number of times to vibrate the third eye until I am visualizing a strong white color and my head feels spacious, and I then move on to red OM in throat chakra and do likewise. Then blue HUM at heart likewise, Red RAM in belly likewise, and then green DZA in the root chakra. I take time with each syllable before moving on to the next. This has the effect of opening and purifying and energizing the channels and getting a good relaxed flow through body and mind which facillitates lucidity.

The other night I remained lucid the whole night and felt completely rested in the morning 8 hours later. I could tell that I was in DELTA when I wasn't dreaming but I felt like my head was in a bright light and I felt bodyless.

Oh, you posted just before I did so that's why I said "I don't know what he means exactly" but I guess we meant the same thing. How do you stay awake the whole night? Using the AH OM HUM RAM (rum) DZA mantra? You start at night when you go to bed? Do you just lie in the same position and just don't move and wait for 8 hours? That's cool. I'll try.
(I knew about AH but not about the other ones.)

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Oh, you poster just before I did so that's why I said "I don't know what he means exactly" but I guess we meant the same thing. How do you stay awake the whole night? Using the AH OM HUM RAM (rum) DZA mantra? You start at night when you go to bed? Do you just lie in the same position and just don't move and wait for 8 hours? That's cool. I'll try.
(I knew about AH but not about the other ones.)

I do the mantra out loud in the beginning, then I just progressively relax and sometimes I slow my breathing down and make it so shallow that I'm barely breathing at all. I see how close i can get to not breathing. It is something to focus on and it REALLY relaxes the body and separates the mind from the body. As far as I know I'm the only person who does this. But I only do that until I am utterly relaxed, then I start breathing normally as if I were asleep. I then can feel energy pretty strongly so I move it around doing the 61 point relaxation technique.http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/...technique.html

Then I will just relax and let my body sleep and let my mind relax yet focus out all thoughts except one of observing my true self (which cannot be observed!). It is like trying to look at a star with binoculars: it is hard to hold it steady and it wiggles all over depending on how many thoughts are passing in front of it. But when I get it steady and I sink into it I am bodiless and in Delta. After a period of lucid dreams I will move my arms and legs and arch my back and then go back in, or I will get up and drink a glass of apple juice and go pee and then back to yoga nidra! (Yogic sleep)

how long did you have to practice in order to be able to acheive yogic sleep like this? it sounds great! all night.
do you access the dreams of Non-rem as well?