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      Premiere and two more upcoming announcements.

      I don't want to hear about the brain from someone that doesn't have one.
      Nor do I want to hear about evolution from someone that hasn't evolved.

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      Originally posted by kimpossible
      Premiere and two more upcoming announcements.
      Oh, that was seen for a long time coming. Final Cut Pro is a direct competitor, and now Motion and Pages are competing with After Effects and PageMaker, so those two are probably next.

      And Adobe's purchase of Macromedia will probably mean a lot of long term changes in product lines anyways, aside from the normal changes.

      I knew you couldn't be referring to something in the Creative Suite or, god forbid, holy Acrobat. The new Adobe leadership is Acrobat crazy.

      It might be tempting for you to see a drop in any product support as a bad thing, but we Mac users are pretty used to it. Our market is small (market share is slowly but consistently rising, though, since the iPod's popularity) so when a product dominates it really dominates from the perspective of the cost/benefit analyzing producer. Support for weaker products can no longer be justified by their companies. It also might be tempting to see that as a bad thing, because that means fewer alternatives, but it can also mean a good thing for the user, in the form of fiercer competition.

      And there are still many alternatives in the markets Mac users gravitate towards. I'm having trouble deciding from the many 3D programs which one I should learn, they all look so good...

      Consider that Microsoft dropped support for Internet Explorer right after Apple made Safari, a vastly superior web browser. But they didn't stop making Office. In fact they acquired and started selling another product, Virtual PC.

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      Originally posted by kimpossible
      Premiere
      As I already said quite awhile ago, Premiere was dropped because Final Cut Pro wipes its ass with Premiere, literally. There is not even any comparison. Adobe should be ashamed of their last version of Mac Premiere given the available technologies they failed to utilize.

      If Adobe doesn't want to remain competitive, that is their decision. All of the technology and SDKs are there for Adobe to make Premiere every bit as good as Final Cut Pro. But they decided they didn't want to do that and would just cut their losses. No loss to the Mac community. A loss to Adobe, but we Mac users didn't loose anything.
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      When the market represents less than 5% of the total market, it's hard to justify more than one competing product. I'd think the econ geniuses in the bunch would be all over that point.

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      Originally posted by kimpossible
      When the market represents less than 5% of the total market, it's hard to justify more than one competing product. *I'd think the econ geniuses in the bunch would be all over that point.
      Hard to justify more than one competing product? You're not serious. We're not talking about a small communist country here.

      I thought the mathematical geniuses here would recognize that the total market is growing, and that 5% continually represents a larger number of buyers.

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      Originally posted by kimpossible
      When the market represents less than 5% of the total market, it's hard to justify more than one competing product. *I'd think the econ geniuses in the bunch would be all over that point.
      blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... you really ought to stop speaking with your ass. It is starting to smell bad in here because of it.

      When talking about video editing and production, the Macintosh platform holds far more than 5% of "the market"

      It's really not that difficult to comprehend: Apple introduced a product far superior to Adobe's. The demand for Apple's went up. The demand for Adobe's went down. Adobe didn't respond. Adobe's product died. Apple didn't kill them (technically they did but put your smelly ass away for a minute).

      hard to justify more than one competing product? God your ass stinks. Where did you take economics? 1665 from the Kind of England?

      Look in the music production field. Pro Tools, Digital Performer, Logic... those are only some of the "high end" ones. There are several others...

      Look in computer animation and 3D. There are so many options, I wouldn't know where to begin. George Lucas's workshop has a whole farm of G5s for the power needed to efficiently render stuff, as do many other workshops.

      There is plenty of room for competition, especially in areas where the Mac is no stranger to the industry, like music production, video production, and computer graphics.

      I realize for some people, it is just much easier, so if you must speak with your ass, at least have the courtesy to wash it so it does not smell so foul.
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      My numbers are from IDC. Where are yours from?

      I don't want to hear about the brain from someone that doesn't have one.
      Nor do I want to hear about evolution from someone that hasn't evolved.

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