Thread: Should I take a diet plan?

Hey, welcome to DV! What sort of food do you eat right now? Proper dieting is not about eating less, it's about eating correctly.

If you're doing everything correctly and are still not seeing results, I would advise seeing a doctor - your weight may be related to something completely different.

Yes what Mes said. You should meet up with a doctor and discuss this. When you eat the right foods and exercise often, you will see results guarenteed.

Mes Tarrant is right...first of all, you'd have to be running all day long to burn a significant amount of calories at all..it's all about the food and like Mes Tarrant said, don't necessarily start limiting yourself, a doctor will tell you if you need to. Before you judge that you're severly overweight DO see a doctor...you don't want to get into a cycle of diet and excercise without supervision..can lead to bad places. PM me if you'd like to talk this over.

If the doctor tells you you're fine (you should go see one as this might not be so simple) then you're fine...just be aware not to judge yourself by a number on the scale, though that's a whole other issue.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Hey, welcome to DV! What sort of food do you eat right now? Proper dieting is not about eating less, it's about eating correctly.

For sure. Eating less will make you weak, tired, and won't help your weight problem. It will just put your body in a constant starvation mode where everything you eat is reserved, and rationed by your body naturally, because it knows it won't get another meal any time soon.

"Breakfast is the most important meal of the day" -Arnold Schwarzenegger

It truly is. It sets the pace for your metabolism that day, so if you eat first thing in the morning, you metabolism is at a much quicker pace than if you ate at lunch first thing or only had dinner. Therefore you will burn more calories by means of digestion than ever before (digesting food takes a massive portion of your energy, I think it's around 30% if not more.)

Also, you shouldn't loose too much of that weight! That stuff is good for body building, it's so much easier to get build like a tank if you start off big. Also, what body type are you? Ectomorph (Skinny, lanky) Endomorph (Round, big boned) or Mesomorph (naturally muscular, big boned). Nobody really fits into one single category. If I were to guess your body type I would say endo-meso considering your tall.

As for you not believing in diet, you should. Diet and exercise are two things that should be unified, not separate. When you combine the two it makes it so easy to get in shape and stay that way. All you need is motivation, which appears to be the case.

Originally Posted by bro

you'd have to be running all day long to burn a significant amount of calories at all

I highly doubt that. Running/Jogging burns massive amounts of calories. Next time you're on a good treadmill, look at how many calories per hour you are burning (based on your heart rate, weight and age.) You can get up to 500 calories per hour pretty easily.

I agree..excercise is good for being in shape along with a healthy diet...not necessarily less..but the right groups.

My concern is that you'll fall into the trap of dieting perfusely along with excercise...society likes to combine the two and considers "losing weight" to naturally be healthy....it's not always though.

Our bodies naturally regulate themselves....you can have a big man of 300 lbs pounds dieting, finally reaching say..150...he will be near death and then a lanky man of 150lbs eating like all hell and barely reaching 155 or 160lbs...your body will naturally want to stay where it is..so before you judge it unhealthy, do see a doctor.

and like grasshoppa said, limiting will only cause you to feel weak and sick...2 things that will not help you get healthy.

Motivation is good, but be careful who is motivating you...don't automatically take a diet plan because you think it's "good" or will help you feel better about yourself..that's a trap. See a doctor, and a nutritionist...better to eat healthy than less and put unnatural pressure on your body.

If you do fall into the trap of dieting and excercise...unless reccomended by a doctor, you risk weakening your bones and injuring yourself. (I'm currently recovering from a stress fracture due to this).

You can doubt that all you like. 500 would take, I don't know, depending on speed I guess. That's not that much...I'm seeing a doctor recovered now from anorexia, at a healthy weight...most of it is in diet. Read my point and you'll see what i'm trying to communicate to this guy.

Healthy food and some excercise are good, just don't overdo it...only a doctor can tell you if you are.

It's easy to get caught up in an unhealthy cycle.

Originally Posted by bro

You can doubt that all you like. 500 would take, I don't know, depending on speed I guess. That's not that much...I'm seeing a doctor recovered now from anorexia, at a healthy weight...most of it is in diet. Read my point and you'll see what i'm trying to communicate to this guy.

Healthy food and some excercise are good, just don't overdo it...only a doctor can tell you if you are.

Oh I understand your point. And I agree that he should see a doctor/nutritionist about this if he is really concerned. I just thought that one point was rather odd, and rang untrue from my own experience. That's why I asked what his body type was.

diet and exercise isn't hard to regulate on your own with some basic knowledge. A healthy amount of weight to loose per week is about 1 pound.

Ah, I'm glad you follow what I'm saying..sorry if I came off a bit strong. I let my personal experience get dragged in. I felt strongly as I'd now injured myself resulting from exactly that..diet and excercise ....Now working on laying off and after recovered, beggining a healthy amount.

I would agree though, small steps at a time, with a goal in mind.

No problem, bro. (Sounds more personal than intended. lol) Wouldn't have suspected you had a weight problem based on your avatar, or were you trying to gain weight?

Also another note: Diet and exercise shouldn't be like a health binge you go on every now and then to shed a quick 10lbs. It should be a lifestyle rather.

What do you mean? Eh, it's worth noting that you can have eating disordered behavior even without being underweight. (I assume that's what you mean..I was never overweight techincally, no) Well, I was always at a healthy weight, ate whatever I wanted (not binging, but nice, satisfactory amounts) and along with depression, I decided that losing weight was a means of control...seemed convenient at the time. after a while it turned into a cycle..rare among guys I must say. Running miles everyday, 1 tiny meal a day..and weakened everything. Right now I can't excercise except for just normal movement for risk of breaking my leg(stress fracture can worsen)..so I'm working on coming to terms with not being "fully in control"....That just my story though..perhaps I'd better take it to PM...spamming and getting personal is not the best idea.

Nvm. Must have read over the 'anorexia' part to quickly.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, also worthy of noting was that the note I added above was not directed at you. Rather at people who go on some rediclous diet for 10 days to shed some quick mass. Just shedding light on how stupid that is.

Cancersurvivor--if you don't want to limit the amount you eat, you must change what type of food you eat.

Eat nothing processed. Eat only things that you could find in nature (if you lived in the right place, I mean.)

If you are not a vegetarian, eat non-processed meat. Eat eggs, nuts, fruits, and vegetables, and in their original form. Fruits are better eaten raw, but it's hard to eat enough raw vegetables, so you may need to cook those. Canned or frozen vegetables are OK. Be careful of added sugar in canned fruits. Of course you should cook the eggs.

Don't eat anything with sugar, anything fried, bread or any grains, beans, or potatos. It is better not to eat dairy products too.

If you do this you will lose weight and be healthier.

Originally Posted by cancersurvivor

Hi, I am 15years old and I am pretty tall, 171 centimeters. But I'm severely overweight.

Here i stopped reading and started saying YES.

It is not hard. I have little to no sympathy for overweight people.


Cut the shit from your diet and only eat good food at mealtimes.

A small amount of cardio, nothing too harsh [and preferably first thing in the morning before eating anything] and you'll be ok.

What do you eat on an average day? Be honest.

I'll do one better: For the next week, carry a food journal with you. Write down EXACTLY what you eat and how much for a week, and post that in this forum.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Here i stopped reading and started saying YES.

It is not hard. I have little to no sympathy for overweight people.


Cut the shit from your diet and only eat good food at mealtimes.

A small amount of cardio, nothing too harsh [and preferably first thing in the morning before eating anything] and you'll be ok.

It is medical sometimes.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Here i stopped reading and started saying YES.

It is not hard. I have little to no sympathy for overweight people.


Cut the shit from your diet and only eat good food at mealtimes.

A small amount of cardio, nothing too harsh [and preferably first thing in the morning before eating anything] and you'll be ok.

I'm going to agree with Mes Tarrant. "Little to no sympathy"..It's clear you know virtually nothing about how the human body works or underlying medical conditions that could lead to being overweight.

You can have a big man eating salads all day and not losing a pound...if he starves himself he may lose weight, but only near death.

Reading a comment like yours sickens me due to the ignorance of your statement. It's open ended until he tells us more...that's why I suggested a doctor. You telling him to "cut the shit from your diet" will do nothing but make him feel bad about himself regardless if he is or is not eating unhealthy foods...and may cause him to not seek necessary medical help if he is indeed severely overweight.

Originally Posted by bro

I'm going to agree with Mes Tarrant. "Little to no sympathy"..It's clear you know virtually nothing about how the human body works or underlying medical conditions that could lead to being overweight.

You can have a big man eating salads all day and not losing a pound...if he starves himself he may lose weight, but only near death.

Reading a comment like yours sickens me due to the ignorance of your statement. It's open ended until he tells us more...that's why I suggested a doctor. You telling him to "cut the shit from your diet" will do nothing but make him feel bad about himself regardless if he is or is not eating unhealthy foods...and may cause him to not seek necessary medical help if he is indeed severely overweight.

I don't see it ignorant to make an assumption based upon the vast vast majority of cases being due to exactly what I have said.






There is only one way he's got to that stage, unless there is a medical condition he isn't telling us about or doesn't know about.


I obviously didn't mean "eat salads all day" either. Or starve himself.


There is a middle ground.

The vast vast majority of cases of obesity require just what I have said. Hence there is no reason why I shouldn't suggest it.




I'll gladly accept I'm wrong if he goes to the doctor and is diagnosed with something other than eating too much and not exercising enough.


The probability is that there is nothing medically wrong with him. I'm just going with the overwhelming probability. Again, this is not ignorance, it is common sense.

It seems your personal experiences have biased your view, "Bro".


As a matter of fact, the true ignorance seems to be in the making of an assertion as fact, which is clearly wrong. I have not done this.. however; "you'd have to be running all day long to burn a significant amount of calories at all.". Now.. that is ignorance.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I don't see it ignorant to make an assumption based upon the vast vast majority of cases being due to exactly what I have said.

And describe to me what "vast majority" you're speaking of?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

There is only one way he's got to that stage, unless there is a medical condition he isn't telling us about or doesn't know about.

That's exactly why I told him to see a doctor "Carousel"...clearly you skipped over that bit and fixated over a tiny point to attack me on.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

The vast vast majority of cases of obesity require just what I have said. Hence there is no reason why I shouldn't suggest it.

You didn't suggest it, you insinuated your disrespect for people who are overweight. Again you mention "vast, vast majority" when you haven't provided me with anything more than that. I guess I'll just have to go by your insulting, child-like and immature assumptions, with no medical basis (exactly why asked him to see a doctor again) and take it as truth.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'll gladly accept I'm wrong if he goes to the doctor and is diagnosed with something other than eating too much and not exercising enough.

"Gladly", huh? "I have little to no respect for..." that doesn't seem glad to me...saying "cut the shit from your diet" is an automatic assumption that there is no underlying medical condition and that he is eating great amounts of unhealthy foods. Don't lie about what's up there my friend, you clearly inserted a mean, nasty opinion on what you think of overweight people with no medical experience.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

The probability is that there is nothing medically wrong with him. I'm just going with the overwhelming probability. Again, this is not ignorance, it is common sense.

Again, you feel with your insulting comments, I should take your "probability" as the truth...it's not common sense...again, if you've read my points, that's why he should see a doctor.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

It seems your personal experiences have biased your view, "Bro".

They have, I admit that, but I speak the truth with a slight tinge of bias where as you spew nastiness and dislike for those who may be ill with absolutely no respect or giving anyone any reason to respect your opinion.

My experiences, again, they have. I'm merely pointing out the truth and not going to extremes with "the vast, vast majority" and I'm not insinuating hatred towards someone I disagree with or dislike due to a body type that could very well be resulting from a medical condition.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

As a matter of fact, the true ignorance seems to be in the making of an assertion as fact, which is clearly wrong. I have not done this.. however; "you'd have to be running all day long to burn a significant amount of calories at all.". Now.. that is ignorance.

I never claimed expertise in this feild but judging by the way you speak in such extremes of those who you deem unworthy without taking into account what might be the cause allows me to safely assume I have far more experience than you.

Taking a small fact I may have exaggerated(to a small degree) and calling me "ignorant" without attempting to disprove it yourself does not make you look better Mr. Carousel. If you wanted to be taken seriously you would not have been so nasty to begin with and would have actually tried to prove a point...without "common sense" based opinions, bad attitude and ridiculous "vast majorities" and extremes.

It's been fun, huh?

Great fun it has been.


I'm tired.


Oh, and to address basically all of your points; yeah, agreed; I was nasty and generalising- with little knowledge in the subject.

The dude who started this thread isn't even going to read any of this, is he. I should post this in things that annoy you thread.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

The dude who started this thread isn't even going to read any of this, is he. I should post this in things that annoy you thread.

That what I was thinking.

Maybe he got all the advice he needs

Maybe he died?