Thread: Tell Me About Utopia

My answer

Government Type: Agnostic Theocracy

Culture: It would be hard to say anything definite about every day life in Utopia. It varies so much from place to place. Thousands of cultures exist in constant competition and cooperation, each one gaurding and expanding upon its essential nature. Diversity is the law, most people see their own expression of the human spirit as part of the wider whole.

That said, there are a few similarities: the belief in absolute truths or hell is almost extinct. Diversity of thought is better maintained when people are willing to tolerate differences. Most people tend to live communally in communities that people join and leave freely. It is rare for people to even own their own rooms. There are a few people who live alone or hoard personal possessions; but they are tolerated with good humour, as though they were people with an unusual hobby.

The biggest global distinction is between nomads and statics, both groups exist side by side and in fact complete each other. On one extreme, there are people who change house, culture, name, ethical code, sexual orientation, gender, etc many times over the course of a year. On the other, some people spend their whole life living in one house. Most people fall somewhere between the two extremes.

The world's lower house is called The Gathering. This is a large collection of organisations which work together and compete with each other. Their main goal is to provide health care and social security. They do this by making sure that nobody on the planet Earth has to be lonely. They make sure people can have communities, get medical care, etc. Most communities are willing to help the Gathering, because most have been helped by the Gathering.

The upper house is known as the Universal Church. It holds no beliefs at all and members can only participate for a limited amount of time so that they do not come to see themselves as primarilly members. The church produces books and educates some people but it is rare to find gurus or prophets. Most books include a detailed description of where its ideas come from with the authors name only mentioned in the margins somewhere.

The primary duty of the Church is to deal with separation and death. Those who the Gathering can't help are handed over to the church to be assisted in bearing their burdens gracefully.

Criminals who can't be persuaded to participate in wholesome communities are handed over to the church. This minority group are sent to areas set apart to have no law. There they live as they choose without restriction, although the church helps with education of children and healthcare if allowed to.

Are smaller number of criminals choose not to live in chaos or community, and after numerous discussions some are given help to die. This has given rise to the rare and incredably sacred occurrence of Human sacrifice. There might be one or two of these world-wide every decade. As the Church exists to deal with Death, Crime and Insanity this ceremony is a most sacred and poignient time.

A world of infinite happiness.

A humanistic philanthropic individualist anarcho-capitalistic society where people speak up for themselves and where everybody is fucking judgmental and can't be put in jail for saying what they believe to be true. People go around slandering one another and ridiculing concepts they consider idiotic. They don't give two shits about cultural sensitivity and intellectual tolerance because they actually spent some time thinking about why they are what they are as opposed to what they are not. This is how society progresses.

No, but really, this thread is about utopia... You want a government, prisons and the fucking church in your ideal world? 'The fuck is wrong with you? If you're serious about this (which I honestly don't hope) that's fucking communism. If I were to live in the society you described, I'd fucking blow myself up in a group of school children.

Originally Posted by Serkat

No, but really, this thread is about utopia... You want a government, prisons and the fucking church in your ideal world? 'The fuck is wrong with you? If you're serious about this (which I honestly don't hope) that's fucking communism.

I don't want a government, but I do want to have people to help the poor.

I don't want prisons, but no matter how good the system is some people will justy not want to be part of it, and they should be given the space to opt out.

And yeah, I'm okay with a church, provided it has no dogma or leaders I think it would be a good way to help people pass on. Because even an ideal system will have death and sadness. The ideal system just makes sure that people can get help if they want one.

And yes. I am a communist. Well. Left wing anarchist. I have a right wing anarchist friend and frankly I think that system concentrates too much on the individual and the right to kill and compete with each other. Thats part of Human nature. But so is peace and open minded tolerance. There's appropriate times for both.

Originally Posted by really

A world of infinite happiness.

Pretty much sums it up. Live in your left brain to see this, or so i'm told. Right is how the world is run.....facts, logic, etc.

A reality that is perceived differently by every inhabitant in such a ways that it appears to be perfect in every sense of the word. Seeing fire makes you happy, seeing palm trees makes me happy, and that's what the world would look like to us individually (of course in much more detail, unless you're a minimalist ). One solid universe is never a one-size-fits-all for universal happiness. It must appear to be perfect, and therefor different, to every being that is experiencing it in order to fit their expectations of perfect.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Pretty much sums it up. Live in your left brain to see this, or so i'm told. Right is how the world is run.....facts, logic, etc.

I don't know. Don't we need to have community to have objective goodness? As invader tech says. Fire might make you happy, palm trees may make me happy. Subjectively then; you could be happy on a desert island where you chop down the palm trees for firewood. But a utopia is one where we use another fuel source for our firewood. One that pleases us both.