~ * Ask me about Picking Up Women * ~

My Purpose

Now first things first. I am here to help men achieve success with women. The type of men that are nervous approaching, nervous to have a convo. Think women are godly and should be on a pedestal. I'm here to help men that have no idea how to get a women and have a relationship if they desire..

I believe any man can pick-up women, looks do not matter as much as someone thinks. It's only about 10% on your game, that I am sure of. Neither is being fat, or short, or anything you believe is a obstacle that you think keeps you from getting women you want..

I want to help all men willing to help themselves in the things I advise them to do..




Questions can deal with anything..

1. Approaching
2. Interest
3. Attraction
4. Comfort
5. Escalation
6. Close

I have been studying the art of seduction for many years, and I've become quite good at it. I want to help any guy willing to try and help himself with women. So now it just comes down to...

What's your problem?

My problem is that I have a deep-seated fear of rejection. I think that if one rejects me, they all will and that there's something wrong with me. This fear kept me from pursuing anyone and now I'm paying the price for the lack of emotional depth in my life that I would otherwise have with a woman.

So, my question is, how do I get over this mentality? Is it true that some people are just not meant to date?

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Originally Posted by Jorge

The information I contain isn't for learning to pick up a women to have sex and then leave.

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Is the info you contain for learning to pick up a women to have sex with whenever I want starting from night 1?

If not, this is not the thread for me.

Maybe I'll find one that fits soon.

How can you tell if a girl likes you? I think this girl likes me, but I'd feel uncomfortable asking her out without knowing for sure.

How do I pick up a girl when I'm there with another and have to take her home?

That came out wrong. She's my best friend, not a date :P

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Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

Is the info you contain for learning to pick up a women to have sex with whenever I want starting from night 1?

If not, this is not the thread for me.

Maybe I'll find one that fits soon.

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With the knowledge I'm sharing with you..yes. It can be used to pick-up girls like that. I'm sure you mean your at the club/bar, party and you want to spit some of your game and at the end of the night (w/o her being drunk) want her to want to ' bump uglies ' with you, then yes. This information will satisfy your desire.

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Originally Posted by mini0991

My problem is that I have a deep-seated fear of rejection. I think that if one rejects me, they all will and that there's something wrong with me. This fear kept me from pursuing anyone and now I'm paying the price for the lack of emotional depth in my life that I would otherwise have with a woman.

So, my question is, how do I get over this mentality? Is it true that some people are just not meant to date?

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NO! Your last question is 100% completely fasle! Any Internal Fear you have can be distinguished as water thrown over fire, that I can gurantee. It is, however up to you to do what I advise you to to get rid of you Approach Anxiety.

Do you think your willing to overcome your Fear of Approaching? Are you ready to actually go and approach a women regardless of how she looks, makes you feel? Are you ready to improve yourself and become who you truly want to be? <---Before you answer this, know in your own head that you are willing to change.

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Originally Posted by suttsman

How can you tell if a girl likes you? I think this girl likes me, but I'd feel uncomfortable asking her out without knowing for sure.

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Ok, this is quite easy actually. You might not like the answer though. Also, whatever you do DON'T ask her if she likes you. That will drive her away as quick as you can ask her that.There's 2 positions a girl can put you in...

The Friend Zone..and..The Possible Relationship Position

Obviously you do NOT want to be in the friend zone. The good news is that if you are, it can be changed but will take some time.

Let me ask you a question when you guys talk do these things happen?

• Does she Lead the Conversation?
• Does she talk to you about her ex-bf?
• Does she say "your such a good friend"
• Does she talk to you about her problems?

If she does, I am sorry but you are in The Friend Zone, once she classifies you as a friend. It will be awkward and weird when you try to game her. Not only will it break the friendship, but she will feel awkward whenever she's around you. So my friend..are you in the friend zone? If you are, then No she doesn't like you.

i tried to pick up a woman once... she was too heavy.

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How can you tell if a girl likes you? I think this girl likes me, but I'd feel uncomfortable asking her out without knowing for sure.

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this is pretty easy.
you: i like you.
her: I like you too.
or
her: oh thanks (doesn't like you)

It's pretty simple. Better to say "i like you" after you've just told her something she really likes and she's genuinely happy. you can generally feel this in your gut.

Is there a correlation between bust size and intelligence?

OK teach me before tomorrow night.

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Originally Posted by ranma187

i tried to pick up a woman once... she was too heavy.



this is pretty easy.
you: i like you.
her: I like you too.
or
her: oh thanks (doesn't like you)

It's pretty simple. Better to say "i like you" after you've just told her something she really likes and she's genuinely happy. you can generally feel this in your gut.

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I wouldn't recommend this advice, not only will it not work in your favor it will cause an awkward moment between both of you and it will be something you both remember.

Although from experience this is not good to do, you will not get her to like you in the end either. If she say's yes than great, but do you really want to do that risk?

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Originally Posted by Jorge

Although from experience this is not good to do, you will not get her to like you in the end either. If she say's yes than great, but do you really want to do that risk?

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Actually, that's worked a couple times. i mean how else is she gonna know? I say don't be a pussy and take risks.

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Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

OK teach me before tomorrow night.

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I hope your not being serious...I can give you some tools/techniques to try if your going out tomorrow night. It is impossible to learn to pick-up in 1 day. It's obvious.

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Originally Posted by ranma187

Actually, that's worked a couple times. i mean how else is she gonna know? I say don't be a pussy and take risks.

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It's worked couple time's? That's great! Now let's see what can work more than a couple times for this guy, I want to offer him only quality proven advice that works more than a couple times.



Taking risk is great, taking a risk when you don't need to, and taking the risk will hurt your chances at achieving your goal..then it's a stupid one to take.


Why ask her if she likes you when you can find out from her actions? Once you find out from her actions if she likes you or not, you progress between you to and turn it into an actual relationship or whatever you desire?


If on the other hand you ask her "do you like me?" and she says "No." then basically you hurt your chances than if you wouldn't have asked her. Don't take unnecessary risk that will only hurt your chances at getting the girl.

Well, then do what you can for me in one day

I never said "ask her if she likes you". i said "tell her you like her and pay attention to the response she's given you" and the way you handle the response will determine the outcome.

I know how to approach a girl I like and everything and even ask her out...

But, I'm not really sure what to do after I ask her out. What do I do?

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Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

Well, then do what you can for me in one day

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I can do nothing for you, it's up to you to do it yourself. If you mean what advice and tools I can provide you then yes, I can give you some to go and use.

I will PM you.

Aight, awesome.

I've been saturating myself in this kind of knowledge for the past day.

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

How do I pick up a girl when I'm there with another and have to take her home?

That came out wrong. She's my best friend, not a date :P

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Ok, your questions was major confusing :eek:--->:lol:

So your asking, How can you pick up a girl, when another girl is present and you have to take one of the girls home?


Ok, first thing you gotta do is make sure her friend is friends with you. Because once you start gaming, or she will definatly be a cockblock. When making friends with her friends, and you give them a "Fun" vibe they will talk good about you most times, when your not around. So that's step 1.

Actually before I got any furthur, I just re-read the part where you say "She's my best friend, not a date" she's your best friend you want to spit game at? If so, my friend you are in a bad spot. If she's your best friend then she already classifies you as a friend and not a possible partner. Let me know me know more about your "Friend Relationship"

What if I can already pick up woman? Do I need your help?

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Originally Posted by CoLd BlooDed

What if I can already pick up woman? Do I need your help?

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Nope, but you can post advice here and help other guys out.


Also, if your just here bullshitting about nothing, then don't come here. This is a serious thread meant for serious people who want some help. Don't post if your not going to try and contribute or ask a question. It floods my thread and is really annoying.

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Originally Posted by Jorge

I believe any man can pick-up women, looks do not matter as much as someone thinks. It's only about 10% on your game, that I can gurantee you.

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Disagree...

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Wat.

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Originally Posted by Adam

Disagree...

Carry on.

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I wish you would have brought more in your post. Why is it that you disagree? Do you know from experience? Let me post an Article a close friend of mine has written. Read it and let me know your thoughts.



Here's the Article:

Not Good Looking? Who Cares!


by The Player

Before we begin let me start off with a brief analogy...



By now I’m sure that you must have read about body language on this site, so you should know that even though most people spend a large majority of their lives talking... roughly 90% of the communication done between two people is actually non-verbal. With that said I can now move on to the main subject at hand, because in theory the game of dating and seduction as a whole works in a very similar fashion.



Allow me to explain :



Even though the modern world that we live in may place a huge emphasis on the way people look... in actuality your looks can only be given credit for about 10% of your ability to pick up women.



If that is the case, then what makes up the other 90%? Read on...



In reality, the only thing that good looks can do for a man is get visual attention from women... meaning that if you look like a male model women will most likely notice you faster than other men, which might seem like a good thing, but that is not always the case.

Throughout the history of human beings the males have been granted the role of the predator, and in turn females would take on the role of the prey. This is why women are naturally inclined to sit back and let the men come to them and express their interest, then make the decision to pursue a relationship or not. I’m sure you are familiar with this concept, so with that in mind why would the way you look mean much at all? It’s not like you will have women approaching you no matter how good you look, because that is the MAN’S role.

Master seducers know this, and that is why they do not waste their time worrying about if they look perfect, because that is the WOMAN’S role. Plus, a real player knows that he has the ability and skill to get any woman that he wants... all he needs to do is approach them and begin flirting. It does not matter if the girl is attracted to him at first sight or not, because he knows that he will get her regardless once the conversation ensues.

There are millions of men out there, right now, that are constantly worrying about how they look... and I’d be willing to bet that over half of them have no REAL skill when it comes to attracting and picking up women. They think that if they look their best the women will simply come running... but it never happens.

However, there are a select few who have taken the time to learn what really matters in the dating game, and even though they may still groom themselves properly... they understand that looks just get you to the door, while the rest is what gets you through it.

I am one of those men (but I have’nt always been), and I have dedicated my life to teaching guys just like you what I’ve learned through years of experience. If there was a "Seduction 101" course taught in college, I would most likely be a professor at one. However, the world is not like that and probably never will be... and up until now it has been up to guys to learn how to deal with women themselves, through trial and error.

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Originally Posted by Jorge

If there was a "Seduction 101" course taught in college, I would most likely be a professor at one.

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I totally know how he feels.

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Originally Posted by Jorge

Marvo there's no need for your post in my thread, if your not going to contribue or ask a question don't even post. It's stupid why flood a thread with BS when it's purpose is to help other people out?

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Because it's ridiculous and your use of font is making my eyes cry blood.

This is not SB; GTFO.

I have commented in red to your post, and added more at the end. Let me know your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Jorge

I wish you would have brought more in your post. Why is it that you disagree? Do you know from experience? Let me post an Article a close friend of mine has written. Read it and let me know your thoughts.

Here's the Article:

Not Good Looking? Who Cares!

by The Player

Before we begin let me start off with a brief analogy...

By now I’m sure that you must have read about body language on this site, so you should know that even though most people spend a large majority of their lives talking... roughly 90% of the communication done between two people is actually non-verbal. With that said I can now move on to the main subject at hand, because in theory the game of dating and seduction as a whole works in a very similar fashion.

Allow me to explain :

Even though the modern world that we live in may place a huge emphasis on the way people look... in actuality your looks can only be given credit for about 10% of your ability to pick up women. ~ hard to validate this claim. Initial attraction is surely close to 90% looks, granted this would depreciate faster than the value of the dollar as you get to know someone better, if your looks even got you far enough to be able to engage in conversation. You have to get your foot in the door, and that my friend is done on looks alone! You telling me that any guy, regardless of looks has a shot with any girl... Not buying it.

If that is the case, then what makes up the other 90%? Read on...

In reality, the only thing that good looks can do for a man is get visual attention from women... meaning that if you look like a male model women will most likely notice you faster than other men, which might seem like a good thing, but that is not always the case. ~ Don't agree, it gets you the foot in the door when first meeting a girl who you are interested in. If she spots you, you get the visual attention but she is not drawn to you, or attracted to you, game over. So by this rationale looks in fact are closer to 100% importance at outset.

Throughout the history of human beings the males have been granted the role of the predator, and in turn females would take on the role of the prey. This is why women are naturally inclined to sit back and let the men come to them and express their interest, then make the decision to pursue a relationship or not. I’m sure you are familiar with this concept, so with that in mind why would the way you look mean much at all? It’s not like you will have women approaching you no matter how good you look, because that is the MAN’S role. ~ This is about as socially unacceptable as saying it is the womans job to cook, clean and look after the man. The pertinant word here is 'history'. This is not history anymore, this is now and women have more power and respect than ever, so thinking like this is moronic and if anything, work against you. Giving the "I am man, I want..." approach I would have though would get you anywhere.

Master seducers know this, and that is why they do not waste their time worrying about if they look perfect, because that is the WOMAN’S role. Plus, a real player knows that he has the ability and skill to get any woman that he wants... all he needs to do is approach them and begin flirting. It does not matter if the girl is attracted to him at first sight or not, because he knows that he will get her regardless once the conversation ensues. ~ I don't even know where to start with this point... How shauvinist is this statement. Seducers and players?

There are millions of men out there, right now, that are constantly worrying about how they look... and I’d be willing to bet that over half of them have no REAL skill when it comes to attracting and picking up women. They think that if they look their best the women will simply come running... but it never happens.

However, there are a select few who have taken the time to learn what really matters in the dating game, and even though they may still groom themselves properly... they understand that looks just get you to the door, while the rest is what gets you through it. ~ I reiterate the point I was alluding to earlier. If looks don't get you to the door, then what good is it that you can bullshit your way into being with the girl?

I am one of those men (but I have’nt always been), and I have dedicated my life to teaching guys just like you what I’ve learned through years of experience. If there was a "Seduction 101" course taught in college, I would most likely be a professor at one. However, the world is not like that and probably never will be... and up until now it has been up to guys to learn how to deal with women themselves, through trial and error.

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I really do think this type of attitude and arrogance will get you girls, but are they the type of girls you would want to be with? No self respecting girl is going to want to be with a player, or someone who thinks they're gods gift when they're not. Trust me when I say this, and here is living proof ((http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67391) looks are important.

I would love to welcome some thoughts from the opposite sex here. I just don't think you can expect to be with who ever you want just because you cna talk the talk. I am not saying that having a great personality and being able to talk to a girl and make her laugh is not important, not at all, I just don't think you can brush off the importance of attraction.

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Originally Posted by Jorge

Ok, this is quite easy actually. You might not like the answer though. Also, whatever you do DON'T ask her if she likes you. That will drive her away as quick as you can ask her that.There's 2 positions a girl can put you in...

The Friend Zone..and..The Possible Relationship Position

Obviously you do NOT want to be in the friend zone. The good news is that if you are, it can be changed but will take some time.

Let me ask you a question when you guys talk do these things happen?

• Does she Lead the Conversation?
• Does she talk to you about her ex-bf?
• Does she say "your such a good friend"
• Does she talk to you about her problems?

If she does, I am sorry but you are in The Friend Zone, once she classifies you as a friend. It will be awkward and weird when you try to game her. Not only will it break the friendship, but she will feel awkward whenever she's around you. So my friend..are you in the friend zone? If you are, then No she doesn't like you.

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Hmm... No, those things don't really happen. But that doesn't automatically mean she likes me.

By the looks of that chart, I have been in the friend zone so many times before! :P

And yeah, I agree, just asking her would be really bad. I know her friends, maybe I could ask them, in a less direct manner. Would that be good?

Oh, and another question: Where should I ask her out if/when I find out she likes me? Also when?

I swear, if this works out, I will owe you my soul. :D

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Originally Posted by Jorge

My Purpose

Now first things first. I am here to help men achieve success with women. The type of men that are nervous approaching, nervous to have a convo. Think women are godly and should be on a pedestal. I'm here to help men that have no idea how to get a women and have a relationship if they desire..

I believe any man can pick-up women, looks do not matter as much as someone thinks. It's only about 10&#37; on your game, that I am sure of. Neither is being fat, or short, or anything you believe is a obstacle that you think keeps you from getting women you want..

I want to help all men willing to help themselves in the things I advise them to do..




Questions can deal with anything..

1. Approaching
2. Interest
3. Attraction
4. Comfort
5. Escalation
6. Close

I have been studying the art of seduction for many years, and I've become quite good at it. I want to help any guy willing to try and help himself with women. So now it just comes down to...

What's your problem?

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Hah I picked up the most amazing girl by talking politics. I transcend the laws of picking up girls :P

And she happened to be the most amazing girl I have ever met.

Lol the fist time I met her I got lost and ended up taking a 60 mile U turn.

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Originally Posted by aceofspades

Hah I picked up the most amazing girl by talking politics. I transcend the laws of picking up girls :P

And she happened to be the most amazing girl I have ever met.

Lol the fist time I met her I got lost and ended up taking a 60 mile U turn.

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:lol::lol::lol:


Wow talk about a unique pick-up. Congrats bro, if any problems come about feel free to come and ask why's she doing this, or acting a certain way. etc etc. I'm only here to help those who are serious to help themselves.

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Originally Posted by suttsman

Hmm... No, those things don't really happen. But that doesn't automatically mean she likes me.

By the looks of that chart, I have been in the friend zone so many times before! :P

And yeah, I agree, just asking her would be really bad. I know her friends, maybe I could ask them, in a less direct manner. Would that be good?

Oh, and another question: Where should I ask her out if/when I find out she likes me? Also when?

I swear, if this works out, I will owe you my soul. :D

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First let me ask you, what age are you and the girls ?

Your right, just because the chart says your not in her friends zone, it doesn't mean she likes you as well. That chart's purpose was to see if you are in the friends zone because once your there, it's hard to get out of.


Asking her friends, is something kids do in elementary and some of highschool. That's not what you want to do. :D Take her on a date somewhere, I recommend that you take her to the mall. It's a fun, great atmosphere and there's so many unique ways to build attraction.

So let me introduce a unique technique to you. It's called SOE

Statement of Expectation

And what that is, is basically as the title says, make a statement of expectment. Examples:

Me: What do you prefer coffee or tea? (Indirect Question)
Girl:Coffee why?
Me:I know this little cafe' with the best imported European espresso machines, let's go you can buy me a cup.<---SOE

Another example:

Me: I really like Italian Cuisine! What's your favorite?
Girl:Mexican Food.
Me:Great there's this new Aztec restaurant that I have been dying to try we can go thursday night, I am told their Playa del Tostadas are great! SOE

Those my friends is whats called Statements of Expectation, it is so much greater than asking the typical boring:

"Would you like to go to dinner with me?"


It's works so much better, and increases your success major! You have just told her to go on a date with you in a polite and enticing way, and she will love it.


So use your own knowledge and come up with an SOE to ask her when you guys are talking, and mention where your going in a simliar fashion.

Also, don't worry about finding out if she likes, you take her to the mall. Display Leadership, and just having a great fun time. Bring positive energy when you two are there walking around. I also recommend you go in those little booths where you take pictures, and do funny poses as memories you'll both have, and have her create attraction towards you.

Have a lot of eye contact with her. Touch her on her arms, when walking that's called kino. Touch her a lot when you can. Have you ever been touched by a women and all of a sudden a sexual thought comes to mind? That's the power of kino, and it works much more stronger on women. Do it in a subtle way, and as much as you can.

Let me know if there's anything else you want to learn.

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First let me ask you, what age are you and the girls ?

Your right, just because the chart says your not in her friends zone, it doesn't mean she likes you as well. That chart's purpose was to see if you are in the friends zone because once your there, it's hard to get out of.


Asking her friends, is something kids do in elementary and some of highschool. That's not what you want to do. :D Take her on a date somewhere, I recommend that you take her to the mall. It's a fun, great atmosphere and there's so many unique ways to build attraction.

So let me introduce a unique technique to you. It's called SOE

Statement of Expectation

And what that is, is basically as the title says, make a statement of expectment. Examples:

Me: What do you prefer coffee or tea? (Indirect Question)
Girl:Coffee why?
Me:I know this little cafe' with the best imported European espresso machines, let's go you can buy me a cup.<---SOE

Another example:

Me: I really like Italian Cuisine! What's your favorite?
Girl:Mexican Food.
Me:Great there's this new Aztec restaurant that I have been dying to try we can go thursday night, I am told their Playa del Tostadas are great! SOE

Those my friends is whats called Statements of Expectation, it is so much greater than asking the typical boring:

"Would you like to go to dinner with me?"


It's works so much better, and increases your success major! You have just told her to go on a date with you in a polite and enticing way, and she will love it.


So use your own knowledge and come up with an SOE to ask her when you guys are talking, and mention where your going in a simliar fashion.

Also, don't worry about finding out if she likes, you take her to the mall. Display Leadership, and just having a great fun time. Bring positive energy when you two are there walking around. I also recommend you go in those little booths where you take pictures, and do funny poses as memories you'll both have, and have her create attraction towards you.

Have a lot of eye contact with her. Touch her on her arms, when walking that's called kino. Touch her a lot when you can. Have you ever been touched by a women and all of a sudden a sexual thought comes to mind? That's the power of kino, and it works much more stronger on women. Do it in a subtle way, and as much as you can.

Let me know if there's anything else you want to learn.

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I'm 16, they're between 15 and 16.

The SOE thing looks like it could work! Thanks! And I can think of an example that could work well.

Lol, that whole booth thing seems like one of those cheesy moments in a movie. :P But hey, whatever you say...

Edit: Oh! I just remembered something! Is it a problem if she doesn't like how my friends act? She seems to hate one of my friends especially. :P

Cool, I respect your input on your thoughts. However respectfully I don't agree with them. It's life there's always, disagreements, issues, and problems. It's all how we deal with them. So once again thank you for that.


It will take too much time to reply to your thoughts, and a waste of time on both our part, and I'm here just to help guys that want to be helped.

However I will reply back to one of your thoughts and it's this one..

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Originally Posted by Adam

I just don't think you can expect to be with who ever you want just because you Can talk the talk. I am not saying that having a great personality and being able to talk to a girl and make her laugh is not important, not at all, I just don't think you can brush off the importance of attraction.

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I didn't say you can be with whoever you want just by talking. Of course there's so many parts in seduction, There's Interest, Attraction, Escaltion, and then you close. Close as in getting her number, going to an after party, getting her e-mail etc..

And those are just the 5 subjects in seduction, there's so much more to each subject and how it is supposed to be done. I am not in anyway emphasizing that you can "say this" or "say that" and you will get the girl. NO that is impossible. You must have both Inner Game and Outer Game.

When I say Game, I don't mean stupid little kid games, but real social dynamics that you must learn and improve on to get a girl attracted to you. There's so much more to learn, I'm simply giving them a quick approach to there situation, I am however going to post more information on doing a whole make-over change, because that's what it takes. Improvement in all subject necessary to be able to pick-up girls.

I just disagree with you, yes Good Looks will catch a girls eye, but if you have no game at all she will drop you like a hot fuckin potato. That I can guarantee, just because you have good looks, does not mean you will get the girl. And The Opposite effects are here too, just because your looks are not that great, doesn't mean you can't pick-up girls. It's how you are on the inside, and by inside I'm not talking about "Being Nice" "Being Kind" and saying "Your so beautiful.." NO that will get you no where!


I also wanted to comment this part as well:

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I really do think this type of attitude and arrogance will get you girls, but are they the type of girls you would want to be with? No self respecting girl is going to want to be with a player, or someone who thinks they're gods gift when they're not. Trust me when I say this, and here is living proof ((http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67391) looks are important.

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Adam, you are taking it too far with the mindset they are trying to get across. Most men that need help are AFC's (Average Frustrated Chumps) that's where they need to move on from. They need to improve themselves, because they think of themselves lowly. Some think in there head "I'll never be able to get a girl" or "Girls just don't like me" blah blah blah BULLSHIT!

Any guy can pick up a women, but first you need to improve himself.

The word "Player" that is being used, is his style. Not what were trying to make guys become, although if they desire they can do that as well. When gaming girls, your never suppose to be Majorly Cocky. No that is bad and will drive women away because your just too cocky. Being Cocky is good so a certain point, then your just considered an asshole by the women.

Actually what we teach Adam, is to pick up a High Quality Women, so your statement is incorrect. There's plenty of men who can pick up quality women. The women that have the whole package. The women that most men will consider "Out of their League" but it's not impossible to learn, you just must know what information to learn.

A self-respecting woman, is a woman that expects a man to be a true man. When a guy walks in the club to a girl like that and he Say's "Can I buy you a drink?" She already puts him in a beta position, a lower position. she already knows she's not going home to sleep with this guy. And she will most likely quickly reject him.

What we teach at The Paragon Project, is to become a real man. A man that has high standards when gaming women. A man that goes and approaches a women he's interested in without being scared. A man that lives his life the way he wants, a man that lives life on his own terms.

We are all about improvement, and that is what my goal is here in this thread. To help other men, become Real Men with no fears on picking-up women.

This discussion is done.

This is terrible. I read an excerpt from the Paragon Project book thing.

It talks about basically stepping on 'lower-rank' women to gain access to the ones you really want.

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Getting and Using Pivots & Pawns

In order to get women to the point of being either a pivot or pawn for your future use, you will obviously need to meet and game them as you would normally any other girl that you are interested in for other reasons. However, dealing with pivots and pawns is not a give/take relationship, and you should try to express as little sexual interest in them as possible until you have mastered this technique.

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Good luck with it but this really isnt for me.

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This is terrible. I read an excerpt from the Paragon Project book thing.

It talks about basically stepping on 'lower-rank' women to gain access to the ones you really want.



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Good luck with it but this really isnt for me.

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“There’s 2 types of people in this world; the type who step on others to get where they are going… and the type with footprints on their forehead.”

No, Dizko you mis-understood. It isn't about "maniuplation" but "empowering" to not only attract girls, but to make dating more enjoyable as well. This is about helping guys recognize and embrace their own attractive selves...and in the process, it frees them up to provide enjoyable interactions to the girls that used to ignore them.

So if your worried about "using girls" that's incorrect because were actually doing girls a favor by educating guys to be more attractive, more fun, and more desirable.

There’s no stepping involved at all. Pivots and Pawns are basically just friends of yours that are girls and you keep them around you to raise your own status. You don’t treat them bad in any way. It’s actually in your best interest to treat them with respect so they hold you in even higher regard.

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It's worked couple time's? That's great! Now let's see what can work more than a couple times for this guy, I want to offer him only quality proven advice that works more than a couple times.



Taking risk is great, taking a risk when you don't need to, and taking the risk will hurt your chances at achieving your goal..then it's a stupid one to take.


Why ask her if she likes you when you can find out from her actions? Once you find out from her actions if she likes you or not, you progress between you to and turn it into an actual relationship or whatever you desire?


If on the other hand you ask her "do you like me?" and she says "No." then basically you hurt your chances than if you wouldn't have asked her. Don't take unnecessary risk that will only hurt your chances at getting the girl.

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You need to brush up on your game, man. It's time to stop over analyzing things and stop being a pussy and just do it. If you like a girl, and she says yes, then it's great. But there's too many girls to keep dwelling on one forever and thinking about the counteractions and reactions and all this bullshit.

Like seriously, 'taking risks'?! This isn't life or death, dude. There are a lot of chicks out there, don't just focus on one girl. If you fail or are in the friend zone just move on. It's her loss if a girl doesn't like you back. I'm speaking generally here.


Buy my book, $19.99!

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You need to brush up on your game, man. It's time to stop over analyzing things and stop being a pussy and just do it. If you like a girl, and she says yes, then it's great. But there's too many girls to keep dwelling on one forever and thinking about the counteractions and reactions and all this bullshit.

Like seriously, 'taking risks'?! This isn't life or death, dude. There are a lot of chicks out there, don't just focus on one girl. If you fail or are in the friend zone just move on. It's her loss if a girl doesn't like you back. I'm speaking generally here.


Buy my book, $19.99!

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Your taking my "taking risk" way out of proportion. If that works for you then great. You actually do have some useful information from your post.

Never pedestal a girl. Don't put all your time and attention on 1 girl. That is something that's worst and you end up with ' one-itis ' basically you can't get this girl out of your head and you end up getting into a deeper level of feeling attraction for her. You can't stop thinking about her, you will do ANYTHING it takes to get this 1 girl. That my friends is one-itis.


If you are in the friend zone then yes, it is way better to move on and game another chick than to actual get the friend your after.

And if you believe what I'm sharing is Bullshit, then you can never come back to this thread again.


My fellow DV members, if you are wondering if you are over-analyzing you are not. You are simply learning what it takes to get a woman attracted to you and that attraction is very strong towards you.

What I've learned from The Paragon Project, is simply far advanced and some unfortunate people don't understand the concepts behind them. All concepts I teach are to Improve.

Have a good day.

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“There’s 2 types of people in this world; the type who step on others to get where they are going… and the type with footprints on their forehead.”

No, Dizko you mis-understood. It isn't about "maniuplation" but "empowering" to not only attract girls, but to make dating more enjoyable as well. This is about helping guys recognize and embrace their own attractive selves...and in the process, it frees them up to provide enjoyable interactions to the girls that used to ignore them.

So if your worried about "using girls" that's incorrect because were actually doing girls a favor by educating guys to be more attractive, more fun, and more desirable.

There’s no stepping involved at all. Pivots and Pawns are basically just friends of yours that are girls and you keep them around you to raise your own status. You don’t treat them bad in any way. It’s actually in your best interest to treat them with respect so they hold you in even higher regard.

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Ah okay so they are just friends?

Okay thats cool, sorry i misunderstood.

Still i think this all all a bit over analysed for me, i feel i have to confidence needed and im happy to just 'go for it'. Im sure it helps people and i wish you all the best.

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Never pedestal a girl. Don't put all your time and attention on 1 girl. That is something that's worst and you end up with ' one-itis ' basically you can't get this girl out of your head and you end up getting into a deeper level of feeling attraction for her. You can't stop thinking about her, you will do ANYTHING it takes to get this 1 girl. That my friends is one-itis.

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You've clearly never met anyone worth fighting for then... I guess I'm in the wrong place. I don't want to 'game girls' as you put it. I would rather have one person worth being with because I cannot get her out of my head, and have just one girl have my attention. But that's just me :)

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“There’s 2 types of people in this world; the type who step on others to get where they are going… and the type with footprints on their forehead.”

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Oh yeah, this was a joke by the way :lol:

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You've clearly never met anyone worth fighting for then... I guess I'm in the wrong place. I don't want to 'game girls' as you put it. I would rather have one person worth being with because I cannot get her out of my head, and have just one girl have my attention. But that's just me :)

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Yeah I used to to think like that too bro, but look at it this way. Let's say this girl, that's all in your head. All your focus is on her, is all her focus on you? Is she really thinking about you just as much as you are her?

Showing too much interest to a girl when she isn't matching your level of interest your displaying, then you are in for problems.

Say this girl is a really good looking one. She's had guys compliment her all the time. She know's she's goodlooking. Almost all the guys have told her "lets go to dinner" or "lets go to the movies" doing this is not only predicatble but boring! I'm not saying you do that, but have you ever?

You must be that fun, outgoing, guy that the girls will love. Don't be like everyone else and do the predicable things everybody does.

If you think this information is too much, then I wish you bro's luck. If you ever need help, just PM me.


goodluck

You know what ALWAYS works?

The "do I know you from somewhere" line. Man it works like a fucking charm. Only if you're in highschool or college though.

Simple.

It doesn't matter if the girl is in the mall, at the library, or even at work. I've used it all over the place. In fact, I just used it at some chick who worked at Chipotle. It was quite nice.

It goes a little something like this.

Girl: *is looking rather attractive*
Yourself: Hey, you look familiar. Is your name *insert random name*?
Girl: *confused*... No.
Yourself: *slightly questionable* Do you go to *insert local highschool/college*?
Girl: Yes.
Yourself: Okay, crap. I know this girl who looks exactly like you, but I don't know her too well. I know some people from *insert previously stated school*, though. Who do you hang out with?
Girl: *girl talks about several people*
Yourself: *if you know stated people, continue normal conversation, if not, continue random conversation*.

You're in like a pin.

It just takes common ground to start a conversation, when you don't know anyone at all.

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Ok, I got her to my house. Now how do I get her to stop screaming for help?

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LOLZff

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You know what ALWAYS works?

The "do I know you from somewhere" line. Man it works like a fucking charm. Only if you're in highschool or college though.

Simple.

It doesn't matter if the girl is in the mall, at the library, or even at work. I've used it all over the place. In fact, I just used it at some chick who worked at Chipotle. It was quite nice.

It goes a little something like this.

Girl: *is looking rather attractive*
Yourself: Hey, you look familiar. Is your name *insert random name*?
Girl: *confused*... No.
Yourself: *slightly questionable* Do you go to *insert local highschool/college*?
Girl: Yes.
Yourself: Okay, crap. I know this girl who looks exactly like you, but I don't know her too well. I know some people from *insert previously stated school*, though. Who do you hang out with?
Girl: *girl talks about several people*
Yourself: *if you know stated people, continue normal conversation, if not, continue random conversation*.

You're in like a pin.

It just takes common ground to start a conversation, when you don't know anyone at all.

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I'll try that.

What if she's your best friend, and she has a best friend that is also your friend...I'll give fake names.

I'm Jon. My intrest is Alice. Her friend is Jenny. I'm best freinds with both of them. Jenny knows I like Alice. She doesn't want me to though, because it would be akward. Alice, I don't know if she likes me or not. I'm considering leaving it as it is, so everyone's happy except me, so I take the nut-shot so Alice and Jenny don't have to deal with it. Right desicion or not?

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I'll try that.

What if she's your best friend, and she has a best friend that is also your friend...I'll give fake names.

I'm Jon. My intrest is Alice. Her friend is Jenny. I'm best freinds with both of them. Jenny knows I like Alice. She doesn't want me to though, because it would be akward. Alice, I don't know if she likes me or not. I'm considering leaving it as it is, so everyone's happy except me, so I take the nut-shot so Alice and Jenny don't have to deal with it. Right desicion or not?

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Not right. Tell Alice. The whole "you look familiar" is only for girls you don't know.

Man, you just gotta tell "Alice" how it is. If she's one of your best friends, she'll understand.

Don't be all about it, but at least let her know how you feel.

Something like "I don't want it to mess up our friendship, but I know I have some sort of feelings for you, and I was wondering if you had those too?"

If she says no, that's it. You're still her friend, and you know now.

You shouldn't risk your happiness because those two girls will get jealous, angry, etc etc.

Alright. I'll take the nut-shot for a little then pull that one. Thanks!

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Alright. I'll take the nut-shot for a little then pull that one. Thanks!

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Do me a favor someguy, when you do that, come back here and post what happens. And be completely honest, I'd appreciate that.


Goodluck bro.

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And if you believe what I'm sharing is Bullshit, then you can never come back to this thread again.

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Don't think like this! It's really not that hard to get a girl. It's people like you that make it out to be something up on a pedestal. It's only as hard as you make it.

For some guys it is really hard to get a girl. If you can go right now, and walk to a mall are you able to pick up at least 3 girls? This is what I am trying to teach.

I Never put a girl up on a pedestal.

Here's an old Article I wrote, for guys dealing with Fear with Approaching.


Whenever I have fear about something I take a step back and I ask myself...

Why am I scared?

I find another way around it because I know I'm The Alpha, and I shouldn't be scared of something as stupid as the situation that's at hand. So I still do what I am afraid of, but it gets done because I truly want to do what I am scared of and nothing will keep me from doing what I want, especially something as stupid as fear.

What I do is I analyze why I'm scared and find out if I truly have a reason to fear what I am doing. Ask yourself.

Can something really harm me physically if I do this?

If it's yes, maybe you shouldn't be doing it. Or maybe you should, you decide. Realize when gaming girls, there is nothing to be afraid of...and that being afraid is only keeping you back because thousand's of years ago, we had to be. But not anymore.

Another way I like to look at fear from holding me back from what I want to do is this...

When I'm older and look back, would I think it's stupidnot doing what I want?

When fear is in front of me, I don't let it get to me. I take a step back, and say to myself...

" I want an exciting, exhilarating, fun, do what I want life, and fear won't stop me. "
And I go and do what I am afraid of.

Fear shouldn't stop you, next time you are afraid of something, whether it be approaching or something else. Ask yourself these 4 questions.

Why am I experiencing this fear?

Will this cause physical harm to me?

Will not facing this fear give me the life I strive for?

Will it stop me from achieving a goal I am trying to reach?

Be honest with yourself, and don't make excuses. Once you find your answers, realize the truth, and the truth is that there's no reason to be afraid.


When fear is staring you in the face, stare right back, and walk right through it..


-Jorge

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Originally Posted by AmazeO XD

You know what ALWAYS works?

The "do I know you from somewhere" line. Man it works like a fucking charm. Only if you're in highschool or college though.

Simple.

It doesn't matter if the girl is in the mall, at the library, or even at work. I've used it all over the place. In fact, I just used it at some chick who worked at Chipotle. It was quite nice.

It goes a little something like this.

Girl: *is looking rather attractive*
Yourself: Hey, you look familiar. Is your name *insert random name*?
Girl: *confused*... No.
Yourself: *slightly questionable* Do you go to *insert local highschool/college*?
Girl: Yes.
Yourself: Okay, crap. I know this girl who looks exactly like you, but I don't know her too well. I know some people from *insert previously stated school*, though. Who do you hang out with?
Girl: *girl talks about several people*
Yourself: *if you know stated people, continue normal conversation, if not, continue random conversation*.

You're in like a pin.

It just takes common ground to start a conversation, when you don't know anyone at all.

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Hey, yeah! That's worked for me in the past quite a few times.

And good advice on fear, that could apply in other places too. Especially for people like me who have trouble deciding things. :P

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Hey, yeah! That's worked for me in the past quite a few times.

And good advice on fear, that could apply in other places too. Especially for people like me who have trouble deciding things. :P

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Exactly I forgot to mention, this will work universaly. Anywhere anytime, not just with approaching women.

Thanks bro.

Yeah, I'll post back.

Go into a bar, make sure there's no one there you know. Go up to women (make sure there's no guys around who could be their boyfriends) just grunt "sex" and if it works you got it, if not just keep trying.

How do you pick up a girl if you don't speak the native language very well and usually can't understand what she's saying?

This guy, Marcelo, told me in Argentina your just supposed to touch and not give a fuck about talking... I think that's what he said. I don't know, I honestly have no idea how to make a girl comfortable enough to sleep with me when I can't communicate with her.

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Go into a bar, make sure there's no one there you know. Go up to women (make sure there's no guys around who could be their boyfriends) just grunt "sex" and if it works you got it, if not just keep trying.

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Hey I use this too, I got it to work on Ashley Tisdale

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Exactly I forgot to mention, this will work universaly. Anywhere anytime, not just with approaching women.

Thanks bro.

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He "forgot to mention it".

No really. You're the kind of guy who makes it seem so hard.

There is no "I'm trying to teach you how to pick up three girls at the mall."

That's not teaching someone to ignore their insecurities, it's teaching manipulation.

That's not cool.

I'm not going to argue with you, I am glad you wanted to help that's great. I'm helping them fix there insecurities. Why is it that you think I'm maniuplating? My post and articles are nothing but help. That's all I'm trying to get across.


I do not teach maniuplation in anyway. I teach improvement.


And I'm trying to have him improve from his insecurities by him focusing on why he's truly scared, which is why I have the person ask themselves the questijon.

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I'm not going to argue with you, I am glad you wanted to help that's great. I'm helping them fix there insecurities. Why is it that you think I'm maniuplating? My post and articles are nothing but help. That's all I'm trying to get across.


I do not teach maniuplation in anyway. I teach improvement.


And I'm trying to have him improve from his insecurities by him focusing on why he's truly scared, which is why I have the person ask themselves the questijon.

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In your statement, you said... "Can you go to a mall and pick up 3 girls? That's what I'm trying to teach here."

And that's not what you should be teaching. Manipulating girls is not a good thing to teach. If you want to end up like some fucking man-whore who has a bunch of STD's and doesn't really give a damn about a girl and any insecurities SHE has, then it would be okay to teach that. But it's not.

Most of the guys who have insecurities about talking to girls is a much bigger problem than "Putting the pussy on a pedestal."

Much bigger problems.

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In your statement, you said... "Can you go to a mall and pick up 3 girls? That's what I'm trying to teach here."

And that's not what you should be teaching. Manipulating girls is not a good thing to teach. If you want to end up like some fucking man-whore who has a bunch of STD's and doesn't really give a damn about a girl and any insecurities SHE has, then it would be okay to teach that. But it's not.

Most of the guys who have insecurities about talking to girls is a much bigger problem than "Putting the pussy on a pedestal."

Much bigger problems.

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If that's what you believe you are far off from where I truly am. I am not teaching these men to become a man-whore and not give a shit about women. No! That is not what I am teaching them, I am teaching them how they can get a woman they want. It's on them to do what they want with the information they receive. If it's in there character, the will use this information abusively.

And if an idiot doesn't know what a condom is, then he will be " A man-whore with a bunch of std's " I am not teaching that are you? You need to understand what I am trying to get across.

I am teaching them to become a better man. A man that doesn't even need to worry about women in his life. Becaues he can go and get one when he wants. I am not teaching a guy to treat girls like shit, not care about them, or there insecurities. I have no idea why you think I'm doing that.

Seems to me your assuming, don't assume if you don't know all the facts.

If you don't like what I teach here, then you don't need to be here.

Nobody's manipulating except for telling people what "you" think I am teaching.

Well there's this girl who I am interested in, but I have never spoken to her, and I changed schools before I worked up the courage. I almost worked up the courage, but I just couldn't handle the pressure due to the fact I had been informed it was only 3 days before I changed schools. I'm friends with her brother who is two years older than both of us and a senior. Any advice as to how I should go about making contact? The only two ways I can think of are running into her if I visit her brother or making friends with her friends who are my acquaintances.

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Well there's this girl who I am interested in, but I have never spoken to her, and I changed schools before I worked up the courage. I almost worked up the courage, but I just couldn't handle the pressure due to the fact I had been informed it was only 3 days before I changed schools. I'm friends with her brother who is two years older than both of us and a senior. Any advice as to how I should go about making contact? The only two ways I can think of are running into her if I visit her brother or making friends with her friends who are my acquaintances.

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You have never spoken to her? Good. You have better chances than the rest of the guys here. Because...

A. you are not her friend and
B. she has no idea how you are and what you are bringing to the table as you go and work your magic on her.




Ok I'm going to tell you this, you expect the girl to have the whole package. So that means "you" must have the whole package as well. You must know how to lead a conversation so you can show her that "you" are the man she desires.

I'll tell you right now, a woman wants a man who is a Real Man, a man who is not scared of anything, a man who strives to achieve his life's goal. A man who is living life on his own terms. A man who is outgoing, and a guy that can make any boring situation into a fun one.

Are you that guy?

If yes then congratulations you are that much closer to having this girl have massive attraction towards you.

If not, then you must work on yourself first. You must first have the whole package yourself. I believe you can achieve this if you put effort into your character and become a real man.

I am here for you whenever you feel you can't pass an obsticale whether it's Internal or External. Whatever you have a problem with I will help you out dude, that's why I am here. I want you to become the "Whole Package" women want. So I will teach you to become just that. So the question is..



Are you ready to become a man that a women desires?

Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals as well as a complete misunderstanding of what he is trying to communicate.

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Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals as well as a complete misunderstanding of what he is trying to communicate.

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Or, more likely, they're just trolling.

I've cleaned up this thread and split off the unnecessary posts at the request of the original poster. Please try to stay on-topic from now on. Any further smart-ass posts or attempts to derail this thread will be considered trolling, which is against the rules of this forum and will recieve appropriate action.

Thank you, and carry on.

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I'll tell you right now, a woman wants a man who is a Real Man, a man who is not scared of anything, a man who strives to achieve his life's goal. A man who is living life on his own terms. A man who is outgoing, and a guy that can make any boring situation into a fun one.

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Well, I'm not afraid of many things, I do have great ambitions, and I do live life on my own terms (it was my decision to change schools for my own reasons despite the fact that all my friends were still at my old school). I do not think I am very outgoing, however. I do feel I am quite an enjoyable person when I'm around people I'm comfortable with, but I'm not comfortable with too many people at once. Looks like I've got some working to do. Heck, I've got 2 4/6 years of highschool left, I can do it.

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I've cleaned up this thread and split off the unnecessary posts at the request of the original poster. Please try to stay on-topic from now on. Any further smart-ass posts or attempts to derail this thread will be considered trolling, which is against the rules of this forum and will recieve appropriate action.

Thank you, and carry on.

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Aww you're like Superman. You saved this thread from destruction! http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/download.aspx?id=1625

Why don't you also do something about Ward. Dupe accounts are also against the rules. :?

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Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals

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Feminist ideals? What what? Do you understand what feminism is?

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Yeah I used to to think like that too bro, but look at it this way. Let's say this girl, that's all in your head. All your focus is on her, is all her focus on you? Is she really thinking about you just as much as you are her?

Showing too much interest to a girl when she isn't matching your level of interest your displaying, then you are in for problems.

Say this girl is a really good looking one. She's had guys compliment her all the time. She know's she's goodlooking. Almost all the guys have told her "lets go to dinner" or "lets go to the movies" doing this is not only predicatble but boring! I'm not saying you do that, but have you ever?

You must be that fun, outgoing, guy that the girls will love. Don't be like everyone else and do the predicable things everybody does.

If you think this information is too much, then I wish you bro's luck. If you ever need help, just PM me.


goodluck

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But that's the risk you gotta take dude! Otherwise you'll go through a very lonely life and end up on your own. I don't know, some guys prefer to play girls, I prefer to be with them...

What it sounds like to be is you've been crushed by a girl before and are not prepared to take another risk so by moving around them a lot, you cannot get hurt again...

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But that's the risk you gotta take dude! Otherwise you'll go through a very lonely life and end up on your own. I don't know, some guys prefer to play girls, I prefer to be with them...

What it sounds like to be is you've been crushed by a girl before and are not prepared to take another risk so by moving around them a lot, you cannot get hurt again...

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What Jorge is saying is that you aren't going to spark interest doing what everyone else does. If you want the girl, she is going to have to be attracted to YOU also. He is giving men methods of sparking that attraction. Girls are generally turned off by guys that seem too dependent and needy.

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What Jorge is saying is that you aren't going to spark interest doing what everyone else does. If you want the girl, she is going to have to be attracted to YOU also. He is giving men methods of sparking that attraction. Girls are generally turned off by guys that seem too dependent and needy.

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Really, because talk of playing girls etc comes off a little differently to me..

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Really, because talk of playing girls etc comes off a little differently to me..

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It isn't talk of playing girls. It is talk of getting girls in the first place. Playing involves deception and multiple partners.

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It isn't talk of playing girls. It is talk of getting girls in the first place. Playing involves deception and multiple partners.

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While I'm not a fan of deception, I have been decieved many times by women. Multiple partners huh, I have no problems in my mind with having multiple partners as long as: I'm doing it in a way where all of them know about eachother, theres no promises of commitment of any kind, and finally they can see whoever they want as well.

Im going to settle this right now. There's a difference between a "Player" and a "Pick Up Artist"

I am not trying to get you to be a pick up artist. I am tyring to teach you how to be a player and find the right woman that is most appealing to you. The word player is taken in different ways by different people. Adam, I am not telling you to play girls. But to play the dating game, that is what dating is about really, it's like a game. You need to play it right to find a true quality girl with beautiful looks that will fill your every need.

Here's an Article, my close Mentor Wrote me, his name is " The Player " in another advance forums on this same subject. Carefully read this article and what is explains:


Many people are confused as to what a player actually is, and how a real player should conduct him/her self. I do NOT believe that there are two different groups of people in the dating game, the players and the haters. I believe there are three groups:

The players, the watchers, and the confused. The players are those who are actively participating in the dating game. Some may be seasoned players and some many be new to the game, but EVERYONE who is dating people on any sort of level is a player (besides people involved in long term relationships).

The watchers are those who do not participate in the dating game, some may try once in a while while others would never even think about it. These watchers are scared to become players because of a wide range of reasons, the most common being: shyness, fear of rejection, low self esteem, and lack of confidence. If you fit into the watchers group then your in luck, I'm currently in the process of writing an article that will help you boost your confidence and get over your fears, it should be finished and featured on the website in less than a week.

Now on to the last group, the confused. These are those who would commonly be referred to as the "haters". These confused folks will sit around feeling sorry for themselves and throw the blame on other people while their problem actually lies in their own inability to understand how the dating game works, and what the overall purpose of the game is. Yes, I will admit that there are a few "bad apples" out there, and that some players have only bad intentions. However, if you look at us players as a whole, we are simply searching for the person that is right for us, and that my friends is the purpose of the dating game.

The process that we must go through in order to find Mrs/Mr right is called trial and error, and this is where things tend to get a bit ugly. We must try different people to find out who we enjoy the most and who we are compatible with. If you realize that the current person you are dating is not "the one", then you have the right to get rid of them whether they like it or not, because this is the way that the game of love works. Look at it this way, if you try a shirt on in a department store and it does not fit, you have the right to put it back, and this works the same way because we are, in essence, shopping for our lifetime partner.

One of the major issues players are faced with is when women complain about us not wanting anything to do with them after having sex. Our acting in this fashion could be for any of a wide range of reasons, but all point to the simple fact... she is not "the one". It could be that she was bad in bed, too easy to get into bed, or ANY other reason. It does not matter what it was because now that it has been imprinted on your mind, she could never be "the one", and it is not your fault. You don't have the power to erase from your memory this bad experience that you subconsciously relate her to, and she needs to understand that fact and quit acting so selfishly. Yes I said SELFISH.

Think about it, just because she believes that you are her "one and only" means that you should stay with her when you know for a fact that she is not the one for you? She must be out of her mind! Tell her "This works both ways or it does not work at all, honey".

However, I can see why many men are wrong and women have the right to be angry. It's the lying, and it has to stop. If you tell a woman that you want to be with her or that you love her just to get in her pants then your not a player, your a liar. Real players never lie because we don't have to, there are many ways to get around saying something that you don't mean by changing the subject or giving a well-directed compliment, which will get you exactly what you want also. I like to call that the "all natural" approach, because it works... but without the side effects.

Player or Pick Up Artist

Many people get players confused with pick up artists... while they are two totally different things, allow me to explain :

Player - A player is someone with an active dating life that is appealing to just about anyone of the opposite sex. These people always make all of the right moves because they have practiced and perfected their skills by teaching themselves to never make any of the wrong ones. Players learn from various sources, but the majority of what they learn comes from the actual experience that they get by using this knowledge in real life situations. Whether a player chooses to use his skills to date multiple women at once or cheat on his partner is his own choice... there are always "bad apples". The fact that he is labeled as a player simply means that he has the ability to pick up just about any women, it does not necessarily mean that this is what he does. A real player has a sense of honer and morals, meaning that he would rather use actual SKILL to pick up women than trickery and shady tactics... why pretend when you are the real deal? Players have genuine confidence.

Pick Up Artist - Similar to con artist, but instead of stealing money... they are stealing dates. The pick up artist is the type of guy that will always fall for the next "get rich quick" scam, as he is always looking for the fast and easy way to solving his problems. Pick up artists on average know about 50 times more about picking up women than players do, but how much out of this information that they know is actually useful... is questionable. In turn, pick up artists have about 50 times less experience at picking up women than players do, simply because they spend too much of their time learning by reading and not enough time learning "hands on". Just like players, pick up artists are much better than the average man at picking up women, this is because the average man has neither the knowledge OR the experience, while a pick up artist has immense knowledge... but again, this knowledge is still questionable because it is rarely used. Pick up artists typically make up for this lack in skill with what you can call "cheats" in which they will lie, trick, degrade, make fun of or even attempt to hypnotize women into liking them. Pick up artists have no sense of honer or morals, as they only seem to thrive when they succeed at making a woman feel bad enough about herself so much that they bring her down to their low level, making her think "Hey maybe I'm not too good for this nerd after all". Pick up artists have false confidence.

Maybe you are one, maybe the other... or perhaps you are somewhere in between. The choice is yours.



If you really want to know what I truly aim to teach, you can find more information in my signature.

I've been on paragon project for a while and my success with women has improved. I've been in seduction for a long time and the Crash Course, which you can find a link to in Jorges signature, is very impressive.

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I've been on paragon project for a while and my success with women has improved. I've been in seduction for a long time and the Crash Course, which you can find a link to in Jorges signature, is very impressive.

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Okay, enough of both of you.

First off, fuck you Jorge for coming in here and then feeding us your advertising bullshit.

"Oh, if you like what I'm saying, go to my failure of an advertisment in my signature."

And then you got some fucking loser lurker in here that has like, 3 posts, trying to tell us how good your book is and how great it's made his life.

You're a fucking tool, Jorge. I hope you know that.

I said, if you want more info check my link. That's it, djdan is apart of the forums I am with and he was telling you his honest opinion. All my advice is legit, and I did learn it from that free book in my link.

So get out of here. I don't want you here you and your buddy zelda.

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I said, if you want more info check my link. That's it, djdan is apart of the forums I am with and he was telling you his honest opinion. All my advice is legit, and I did learn it from that free book in my link.

So get out of here. I don't want you here you and your buddy zelda.

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It's basically an invitation to click on your stupid advert.

And, if you're going to try to insult me via my avatar and signature, at least get the character right, you tool.

lol
i wonder y a lot of guys r upset about this thread??
tehe.

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i wonder y a lot of guys r upset about this thread??
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I'd be more upset about this thread if i was a woman tbh.

But would you be upset if this was a thread for women on how to pick up men?

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i wonder y a lot of guys r upset about this thread??
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Classic AFC behavior.

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Because Jorge comes out here looking like mister pimp, talking all this shit about how he can make any guy pick up any girl, which isn't true.

Then, he tries to advert some gay fucking book.

That's why it's annoying.

I looked over the link, and it looks like stuff I've been doing all the time. I guess I should kick myself and stop being so love-shy. (Having anxiety disorder doesn't help) Thanks for helping me realize this, and those tips on actually asking women out help too! :D

I've only asked 2 out in my life and that was 4 years ago (both), after that i've not been in the mood to go asking them out, especially now...i mainly just see them as sex now. I can't find one i wanna not have sex with all the time, it's all sex, sex, sex. I role play in my head every single day (also prefer that over porn for some reason). I'm not so much nervous now, i just don't wanna do anything.

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I looked over the link, and it looks like stuff I've been doing all the time. I guess I should kick myself and stop being so love-shy. (Having anxiety disorder doesn't help) Thanks for helping me realize this, and those tips on actually asking women out help too! :D

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Great suttsman! I'm glad you looked at my link, with that information would you say it's great quality? Would you want to know anything else to help you with your Inner Self? ( ex. Confidence, approach, over-analyzing... )

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Because Jorge comes out here looking like mister pimp, talking all this shit about how he can make any guy pick up any girl, which isn't true.

Then, he tries to advert some gay fucking book.

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I never said a guy can pick up any women, that's impossible. I'll tell you right now it's impossible regardless of how good you are at attracting women. I reffered them to my link, if they wanted more information they can check it out.


Oh, and it's a gay book? LOL Your hilarious, your honestly a funny guy! You remind me of this smilie ---> :banana: <--- I'm sure you havn't even downloaded the book or even read the excerpt. Good, I don't want you to download it. Don't even click my link,and get out of my thread if it's annoying. ;) :clap:

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" And, if you're going to try to insult me via my avatar and signature, at least get the character right, you tool. "

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Excuse me........' Link ' you average frustrated chump. :bslap:


So once again, if this thread is so annoying...GET OUT!

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lol. see my which" category are you thread". I'm going to explain a certain reason why i left the seduction community. A lot of the knowledge taught there that actually works is common sense stuff.

They boast about being free from the social matrix while unwittingly becoming a social matrix in and of themselves. A lot of their stuff is based on "fear". they preach "if you do this that and the other thing you'll never get laid. And if you never get laid you are a LOSER for the rest of your life. so don't screw it up. If you slouch once in a bar you're gonna fuck up. If you are seen with your hands in your pockets, no one will like you." or "your an AFC. Don't hang around family to much because it's so AFC. Don't play video games EVER because it's AFC. If you listen to classical music in front of a SHB she'll think your an AFC." but the only real advice you get you have to pay for.

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I never said a guy can pick up any women, that's impossible. I'll tell you right now it's impossible regardless of how good you are at attracting women. I reffered them to my link, if they wanted more information they can check it out.

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Oh. I didn't notice that.

Mah bad!!!~

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You are unable to telle the difference. Between the two statements?

" I believe any man can pick up women "

Any guy can pick up a girl, period.

" I never said a guy can pickup any women "

Any women as in the sense Any Women he desires. It's not possible, to for the best PUA in the world to pickup all the women he wants. That's what I said.

Once again read it slowly.

Any guy can pickup...a woman.

But that same guy can't pick up Any Specific Woman he wants Anytime. That's what I said. You read it wrong.




Read it slowly and think about what you read.

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lol. see my which" category are you thread". I'm going to explain a certain reason why i left the seduction community. A lot of the knowledge taught there that actually works is common sense stuff.

They boast about being free from the social matrix while unwittingly becoming a social matrix in and of themselves. A lot of their stuff is based on "fear". they preach "if you do this that and the other thing you'll never get laid. And if you never get laid you are a LOSER for the rest of your life. so don't screw it up. If you slouch once in a bar you're gonna fuck up. If you are seen with your hands in your pockets, no one will like you." or "your an AFC. Don't hang around family to much because it's so AFC. Don't play video games EVER because it's AFC. If you listen to classical music in front of a SHB she'll think your an AFC." but the only real advice you get you have to pay for.

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I don't believe it's common sense, or at least not to everybody. We all have our each strengths and weaknesses. Some just have a lot of weaknesses. It may be common sense to you, but complete new perspective on your average afc.

Have you checked out the book in my link? I believe it contradicts your theory on free stuff telling you your a loser. TIC are all dedicated to helping men improve. You will be amazed at how much information that covers for free. I gurantee that.

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I don't believe it's common sense, or at least not to everybody. We all have our each strengths and weaknesses. Some just have a lot of weaknesses. It may be common sense to you, but complete new perspective on your average afc.

Have you checked out the book in my link? I believe it contradicts your theory on free stuff telling you your a loser. TIC are all dedicated to helping men improve. You will be amazed at how much information that covers for free. I gurantee that.

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I wasn't saying every PUA is like that but many are. I think to be good with women one has to build confidence and generally learn to like themselves. I'm not talking about huge ego. I mean just being comfortable with who you are and working on it so you vibe the kind of energy that people , especially women, are drawn to.

Well, not that I know anything about this ;)...but I'd like to share a few tips that have helped me greatly.


First of all, NEVER approach a woman with a hesitant attitude. Before making contact, empty your mind...and firmly tell yourself that you are the man. Think of all the shit you have went through in your life, be proud of yourself, especially for what you are about to do.
(Women can smell your fear and insecurities like a prowling tiger).

With that confidence radiating from you, you will no longer need to think about pick-up lines, seducing routines or patterns, etc. Stay calm, take deep breaths, and stay focused. For once, forget about what you look like, how you act, or what to say. Remember...it's not WHAT you say...it's HOW you say it! Place your consciousness outside yourself, concentrate on her reactions, moods, facial expressions, body language. Stay comfortable and confident, make small talk and make her laugh anytime you can. BE YOURSELF.

If the woman is not interested, don't worry about it. There are many reasons why she could not be interested, it does not mean that you are a loser. Don't take it personally. If anything, you are now twice the man you were, because you approached her.
(There's a good chance she will respect you for approaching her. She might even have feelings for you now, yet other reasons are keeping her away. It's not your fault).

Also, if that girl rejected you, think of it this way: She was clearly not the one. She could have prevented you from meeting another, better woman!
So if she does, smile at her and walk away. Don't be needy, there are way more opportunities out there. It just was not meant to be.

By being yourself, you will attract the woman that is good for you. (Or women that will be good you ;) ). Picking up girls became way too much of a complicated science. I say, the more fake seducing methods you use, the harder it will be for you. Just be yourself.

Good luck! Get lucky! :D

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You are exactly on point! This man know's his material. Appreciate that help, stay on this thread and you can help me out with other people's questions too.

Much appreciation High Hunter.

Jorge is a pickup artist (pua for short). Though I'm not sure whose methods he follows. The pickup artist community (Yes, there's an underground community for pua's) is an eventful one. Mostly comprised of reformed geeks/losers/nerds who've learned from mPua's (master pickup artists) how to bed any women they desire. For anyone interested in jumping into this game, I suggest you google the "Mystery Method" and read Neil Strauss's book "The Game".

Thanks for your input Jeff, "The Game" is a good read, but in my opinion that's about it. It doesn't really teach you any material to learn..you get me? I saw the whole book as almost a story. As for the Mystery Method, I know his book, but I've never read it. Any other books, that you found helpful?

That's the only one I've read. In addition to that, his reality show on Vh1 provides useful information. You're right about "The Game" being a story...but within the story lies lessons and techniques anyone can use.

Btw, how many points do you have? What's your score? And when did you start playing the game?

I have 20 billion points! I used a cheat code though..you?

Actually Mystery's show is completely BS, I believe it's all fake. TV is so percise on what is allowed on national television and there are so many strange things that are in that show.

Another negative about the show is that Mystery is using the same old material he's came up with 5 years ago. From that show it looks like he hasn't improved his material whatsoever. There's so much more new information that are more powerful than his. The only thing I see in his shows (which is still old info) is his openers he makes his students use.

" Can I ask your opinion? " "What do you girls think...." <---Same old information from years ago.


I can't believe he doesn't have more new and better information it dissapoints me. Mystery is great, no doubt. But he is still using his same old techniques, I wish he'd come up with some new stuff.

Either way, he's a great pick up artist.

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I have 20 billion points! I used a cheat code though..you?

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I assume the art of picking up women to the underground pua community was still being referred to as a "game" considering the technology, techniques, and tactics being used, are adjusted and refined on a regular basis. Therefore a point equivocates to "one" woman you have bedded. In order to be discreet pua's refer to it as a "point system" instead of being outwardly blunt which could be offensive to some. I assumed you knew this...

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Actually Mystery's show is completely BS, I believe it's all fake. TV is so percise on what is allowed on national television and there are so many strange things that are in that show.

Another negative about the show is that Mystery is using the same old material he's came up with 5 years ago. From that show it looks like he hasn't improved his material whatsoever. There's so much more new information that are more powerful than his. The only thing I see in his shows (which is still old info) is his openers he makes his students use.

" Can I ask your opinion? " "What do you girls think...." <---Same old information from years ago.


I can't believe he doesn't have more new and better information it dissapoints me. Mystery is great, no doubt. But he is still using his same old techniques, I wish he'd come up with some new stuff.

Either way, he's a great pick up artist.

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I think a man whose bedded over 1,000 women has a lot of useful information to still give. If it ain't broke why fix it? Mystery's methods DO work. Simple duplication is the key. He teaches losers how to do what he does and it works. They still get the girls at the end of the day so why try and change a system that's working pretty damn good already? Besides, Mystery holds workshops which losers pay handsomely to attend...THAT is where he shelves out new diamonds and gems. It would be stupid to give the material out that people pay well into the thousands for over the television for free. He created a simple system to pickup and bed women that works nearly 100&#37; of the time...that doesn't need fixing. Revamping the system isn't necessary but changing up openers etc. are needed every so often (which he does). With that being said, I'm more of a Style's fan myself. He combines things he personally learned from the worlds greatest mPua's into what he does.

Cool opinion.

I see mystery as trying to make copys of himself, where I believe to have that person keep his same good traits and improve his not good traits to become a natural in the game.


Actually what you said about the pua community referring to the point system as in bedding how many girls you have is not 100&#37; true. I am apart of another great forums, that I think you'd like, but that's not the point. We actually have a Point system but doesn't involve with how many woman you've bedded.

It's a system that is a push and pull technique, when a girl does something good for you, you can reward her by giving her points. For example, " Hey you opened the door for me, you just got 5 points! " Playfully of course and you can tell her that once she gets a certain amount of points...she can redeem a prize. A kiss, hug, etc..

It's a pretty good technique actually, put's you in the leading position and builds attraction if done right. And also she can lose points, if she does something you don't like, etc..

All this done in a fun, playfull way. So take note of that one guys, it's pretty powerful.

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Good luck! Get lucky! :D

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Ooo High Hunter! You're still here! I thought you left.

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Cool opinion.

I see mystery as trying to make copys of himself, where I believe to have that person keep his same good traits and improve his not good traits to become a natural in the game.


Actually what you said about the pua community referring to the point system as in bedding how many girls you have is not 100&#37; true. I am apart of another great forums, that I think you'd like, but that's not the point. We actually have a Point system but doesn't involve with how many woman you've bedded.

It's a system that is a push and pull technique, when a girl does something good for you, you can reward her by giving her points. For example, " Hey you opened the door for me, you just got 5 points! " Playfully of course and you can tell her that once she gets a certain amount of points...she can redeem a prize. A kiss, hug, etc..

It's a pretty good technique actually, put's you in the leading position and builds attraction if done right. And also she can lose points, if she does something you don't like, etc..

All this done in a fun, playfull way. So take note of that one guys, it's pretty powerful.

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Nice bro. The push and pull technique is phenomenal. I use it on targets 70 - 80% of the time. I also like the art of edification. I and my cousins used this while on vacation a couple of years ago and found out first hand how powerful it is. I'll share two storees.

While in a shoe store I and my cousin (whose a rising mPua) saw a very sexy latin woman who worked in the department, she was helping us try shoes on. I began discussing with my cousin (in a subtle semi-discreet way) of how he could invest the million dollars hee just made last year and he began suggesting ways I invest my 7 figure earnings as well (We had no millions.) He started coming up with suggestions and we noticed how her demeanor seemed to change. While she was putting the shoes on our feet, we discreetly watched her expressions as we continued chatting amongst ourselves. Her eyebrows raised a few times, her face blushed and a few smiles passed across her face. Though we were not talking to her or about ourselves directly to her, we were edifying each other through the subject matter of our conversation. She slipped me her number before we left without me saying a word to her. Keep in mind this is before I ever heard of the game or knew what pua's were or any techniques and tactics were that pua's use. The techniques he and I were having fun with were just simple things I learned in marketing workshops (like the art of edification).

My cousin's father bought him an iphone and gave him $500.00 bucks to buy clothes and other junk at the mall so we figure we'd use that next. We went into another store (hat/clothes store) and saw perfect tens at the cash register. He found some clothes and approached the register (he was 14 at the time and I was 17, I'm 20 now). I stood beside him and he took out his roll of 20's as the girls rang him up. He then told me (audibly enough so that they could hear him)..."Go pick up a couple hats, don't pick out anything less than 50 dollars". I picked one out and brought it back to the counter and the bill was like $200 something. I started whispering (but audibly enough to where they could hear it) about how we're late and the private jet might take off without us to which he responded something like "The record label knows I'm on vacation right now so they'll understand." We started walking away and the girls were smiling and staring at us. As my cousin walked off I then told the girls behind the register that he (my cousin) just got signed to G-unit as their youngest up and coming artist. Her jaw dropped and the other girl smiled and winked as we left.

Edification has one rule: You can edify anyone, anywhere, at anytime except yourself.

Anyway edification is extremely powerful, though unbeknown to me at the time...wingmen not only use it, but rely on it.

I'm not sure why I disclosed all that information...I suppose if there's anyone really interested in this besides ranma then there ya go. But yeah that's what catapulted us into the community. You said you're on a pua forum, pm me the details if you want. Don't discuss it here though.

Lol that's fuckin hilarious! Ga Ga Ga Ga GA GA G-Unit!


Great story dude, this edification reminds me of something called Status and Social Proof, ever heard of it? It's basically this edification thing you were explaing.

Reason why it works is because you can create your image anywhere. While you and your wingman teamed up to create an image of massive social proof. Basically *Proof* That your *Sociable* there's ton more on that subject, but I'll only mention it here.

That is what's apart of creating Interest and Attraction in a Woman.

Having many friends is Social Proof.

Everybody in the party knows you and tells you " Hey! What's Up!? " is Social Proof.

Being able to hold a conversation and creat a fun one, is Social Proof.


So I know exactly your technique, that's great. Although, I wouldn't lie to that extremes because saying...

" The record label knows I'm on vacation right now so they'll understand. "

..is too much in my opinion haha, but whatever your style is great, stay up!

Thanks, and yeah I wouldn't do that again (maybe) but that was almost 4 years ago. What'sup with the link in your sig btw?

The Crash Course & The New Breed link in my signature is an e-book that I want to share with everybody. I wouldn't it call advertising, because it's completely free no strings attached, well if you call entering your e-mail a string..then I guess.

It's more of a encyclopedia, all your questions on learning and becoming really good at picking up are in that book. I'll tell you right now honestly, if your thinking about purchasing an e-book, get The Crash Course first. Most other books they charge you for, are not even as good as that free book in my link. Believe it or not, see for yourself.

You'd be surprised.

And I'm back again with another amazing article:

Personal Space

You need to give your girl space, let her do whatever she wants and have the attitude like you don't really care what it is. You may feel the need to fall into the mind state of wanting to always keep your girl around you so that you don't have to worry about her getting hit on while your not there, or even worse her cheating on you... but in reality if she is the type of girl that cheats then you don't want to be a LTR with her anyway, so her cheating on you is a good thing because it let's you know she's not worthy and allows you to end the relationship before you get in too deep.

Also, if you allow your girl to do what she wants then there is always the possibility that she might cheat... but if you keep her on lock down then in the end she will almost surely cheat when she gets the chance, because by doing that you are displaying insecure, needy traits and when a real alpha male comes along she will jump at the chance to get with him.

Here is how AFCs and Alphas think about this differently : When an AFC's girl is out with her friends he thinks "What is she doing? Is she getting hit on by other guys? Is she having fun without me?"... his mind is constantly on HER. When an Alpha's girl goes out he thinks "Nice! Now I'M free to go have some fun as well"... his mind is on HIM.

However, even though you should allow your girl to do as she wishes, DO NOT let her do it at your expense. Meaning that when she goes out alone do not let her take YOUR car and spend YOUR money... if she wants to go off on her own then it should be just that, on her OWN. Being successful in a LTR is all about maintaining your alpha status and not letting her turn you into a nice guy, and a part of that is not letting her take advantage of you by using your stuff for things that do not involve you. Girls always say that they want a nice guy, but what they really want is a bad boy that they can turn into a nice guy. Don't let it happen to you, because as soon as it does you WILL lose her.

Gift Giving

NEVER buy random gifts for your girl, this is a urban myth that most men follow simply because they think that in order to keep their girl they need to grab the occasional dozen roses on the way over to her place. Women will say "Awww your so sweet" but they are really thinking that you are a push-over and that they've got you whipped and primed to be taken advantage of. They will then proceed to milk you for everything that you'll dish out until some confident guy comes along ready to treat them like shit, then they'll leave you for him.

Even on holidays where gift giving is mandatory, you shouldn't make an extreme effort to please her. That means don't go all out buying her 15 different little things and then one expensive big ticket item, buy her one small thing and be done with it. The best method for these situations it to make her gift something that you can benefit from as well, for example I like to take my girl to concerts, theme parks, comedy shows, or small vacations for her birthday... so I can have some fun too.

In The Bedroom

If you want to keep any decent girl for a long period of time you will need to be at least fairly skilled at laying the pipe. Many men get ditched or cheated on by their girlfriends because of their inability to satisfy them in the sack, so don't let yourself be added to that list. Training yourself to be good at sex is a great skill to have for not only LTRs but for general dating as well, because when you are dating random women and not looking for a LTR being a great lover will guarantee that you will get return sex often and also help you maintain your booty calls for as long as you wish.

During a long term relationships is the BEST time for you to practice your sexual techniques, because both you and your partner will be totally comfortable with each other and will have a greater level of sexual communication than you would with a stranger or a girl you only have sex with occasionally. I recommend getting in as much "practice" as you can :) You should also experiment as much as possible with your LTR lover and try as many freaky things as possible, this also adds spice to your sex life and helps to keep the relationship healthy. Roleplaying and video taping also spices up your bedroom antics and adds a fun element as well.

If you need some good tips on becoming better at sex you should read my "How To Make A Girl Orgasm" article.

The LTR Alpha Male

Want to know the absolute BEST trick to maintaining your alphaness while in a LTR? Do exactly the opposite of what normal LTR guys do. Stare at other women while your girl is next to you, you can even make comments. Almost every day I'll be with my girl and I'll make comments on other women, whether negative or positive "Look, she's got a nice ass", "She's got a nice body but the face is ugly", "Wow that chick's got a pretty face". Don't be scared to say stuff like that. If you've got some hefty balls you can even talk to some other babes in front of your girl, a little jealousy is good for a relationship and it keeps you in total control.

In every relationship there is one dominant person and one submissive, if not then the relationship will never work. Two dominants don't mix because they will clash much too often, and two submissives won't mix because they both will feel a constant need to be dominated that is not being fulfilled. In order to be a LTR alpha you NEED to be the dominant person in your relationship. You do this by making sure that : when the two of you go out it is always to where YOU choose, when you take her to the movies you see the action or horror flick instead of the chick flick, when you have sex it is when YOU want it not just when she'll "let you", the list goes on. The bottom line is : It's your rules, your way, your the man and she knows it.

This is one of the funniest threads I've read on DV in a long while.

+1 for chauvanism.

Uggh my take on mystery. His entire game is based on convincing women you're something your not. Using magic, social proof, and demonstrating high value.

Magic tricks are just tricks. All tricks are based on fooling people. sure people get swept up in the magic but in the end they, know they've been fooled. And when the magic show is over it's time to get on with your life. In other words, that kind of stuff may get you super hot women, but for only a few nights, and emotionally they won't be high quality. They will end up resenting you because they will find out you used tricks and they will feel decieved.

Social proof mystery does by peackocking (wearing flashy clothes) and being more Alpha than the betas. he does this through ACTIVELY demonstrating high value. And the thing is, if you have to go out of your way to demonstrate your value - you don't have high value PERIOD. Mystery may get lots of $$ but his value is superficial. deep down he KNOWS he has no high value. He demonstrates this in the book "the game". when he attempts suicide after everytime a long term girl breaks up with him.

In order to have high value, you must feel yourself as high value. not demonstrating. Your social proof and high value come from Who you are. Not what you pretend to be. It comes from your general awareness of your social enviroment, and what actions you take based on that awareness. You don't have to use tricks, negs, DHV, or phases of attraction to have high value. You just have to be your genuine self. And when you are happy with being your genuine self, it shows up through your attitude in social situations.

If you don't think your genuine self is good. Find out what IS good about you and focus on that. Build up on that. and you will attract the right social situations naturally. and through experience you will instincively know how to handle them.

for example the other night at the bar i saw a guy sitting at the bar for over an hour by himself. He was staring into the crowds of people around him, but he wasn't a part of anything. So, While I was grabbing a drink i looked at him adn said "I've noticed you sitting here for over an hour. look at this room filled with people. don't sit here, go make some friends".

later on in the night he was talking to two girls that i was taking too and dancing with earlier. Did i go out alpha him like mystery would have? NO. i went up and said "good shit man, you're making friends". The girls started grabbing me and saying "see this guy's great. Not many people are like him."
And then i danced with them some more. I could have taken one home. but i didn't want to.

In fact Its hard to believe so many people dignified this thread with responses.

Ok I am so glad for this thread :D woohoo!
Well. As you might maybe know, I am a professional magician, a street magician, meaning I entertain random strangers at places like theme parks and parks ect.
I dont have any problems aproching or talking to girls or anything. I only have this specific problem.
So theres this girl, her name is Heidi. Shes amazing, I use to live and go to school were she went. And we use to talk all the itme and she would tell me everything visa-versa. One time in 6th grade, I asked her out, because her mom was all like "Heidi likes you alot Michael, you should ask her out" Her twin sister keep bugging me about it to. (I have a twin lol). So I did, then she said yes, then 5 mins later she dumped me I guess, she said "We are such grate friends, and I tell you everything, I dont ever want to get mad at you for anything, then dump you, and be mad at you for a long time, it would ruin us."
We always talked about moving in with each other in hollywood to pursue our careers. She is a model now, and wants to be an actor. I am a profesional hypnotist, and a semi-profesional magician, and I want to act when i get older and after I get an acting coach. So we always talked about that. She even said stuff like what she wanted our house to look like ect. But she never talked about mariage (Thank god, I was only in like 7th grade lol).
So I was not mad about the brake-up I really understood. I dont think she was just laying that on as an excuse.. Because we were both popular, and I dont think she is that shalow at all. even if she was, I dont think it would matter. But then I moved....... And now I am homeschooled. wich is so gey. And I tried to talk to her on myspace. it says she reads my messages I send her, but she never replies, unless its like a serious question, or something weirdish, like if I am comeing to her for advice.
I asked her how come she never wants to talk, and she said "My computer is messed up, I cant reply to messages." Even comments... But you can tell she talks to other people.. But she gave me her number, and when i called she was going to some buety padgent or something, and she would have to call me back, its been a month, and no call :( .
Now what? I wish I still lived there... I even have epic dreams about it. Like I see her in real life (In my dream) And we talk and its so amazing to hear her voice. I then always relize I am dreaming, then she gose away :(
so is there anything I can do? Maybe wait till I move out and move back were I use to live, with my nana. And ask her out to a lunch or something to catch up?
Please dont think I am a freak. All this has been going on over 4-5 years lol

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Magic tricks are just tricks. All tricks are based on fooling people. sure people get swept up in the magic but in the end they, know they've been fooled. And when the magic show is over it's time to get on with your life. In other words, that kind of stuff may get you super hot women, but for only a few nights, and emotionally they won't be high quality. They will end up resenting you because they will find out you used tricks and they will feel decieved.

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Geez.. Not unless your presentation is great!!!!!
You can make people think magic is real.
I like to tell people "You may look at this, and know it is fake, not real. But the fact, it looks amazing, and the fact that you are enjoying yourself is the only important part. The magic is not in my hands, the magic is in your eyes, and in your heart"

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Geez.. Not unless your presentation is great!!!!!
You can make people think magic is real.
I like to tell people "You may look at this, and know it is fake, not real. But the fact, it looks amazing, and the fact that you are enjoying yourself is the only important part. The magic is not in my hands, the magic is in your eyes, and in your heart"

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you missed my point entirely. If you do magic just for show and to win money, Then people don't mind being entertained or decieved.

I personally have an ethical problem with basing a personal relationship on that. I shouldn't have to use magic tricks, routines, and demonstrating high value to get into a personal relationship. I don't view women as objects for my satisfaction. I view them as human beings like me.

And i agree meeting women should be fun and enjoyable. I just choose to do it in a less deceitful way.

as for your girl problem. It sounds like she's trying to avoid you. the best advice i can give is to let her go. stop obsessing over her and find another girl. let her go. period. Remember she said being "just friends" was a way to not "lose you." if she talks to you again remind her of how that decision ruined your friendship with her. and then leave her alone.

Ok. I have asked her before if she is just avoiding me. But she said no.
I also asked her about another girl problem I had (My ex thread remember lol)
She told me "Tell her you have the most wonderful, pretiest bestist girlfirend in the world! And her name is Heidi! And I will ahndle her :D lol Or tell her you dont have fellins for her anymore"
So I dont think she is trying to avoid me, just maye I am not on her priority?
well. Dont make someone your priority, if you are only an option right? I still have so many strong fellings for her

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Ok. I have asked her before if she is just avoiding me. But she said no.
I also asked her about another girl problem I had (My ex thread remember lol)
She told me "Tell her you have the most wonderful, pretiest bestist girlfirend in the world! And her name is Heidi! And I will ahndle her :D lol Or tell her you dont have fellins for her anymore"
So I dont think she is trying to avoid me, just maye I am not on her priority?
well. Dont make someone your priority, if you are only an option right? I still have so many strong fellings for her

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then invite her to a party

good luck, bro!

Hey AirRick, long time no see bro :cooler:

heehee, sup!!

I'm gonna hang around this thread more often, since I myself devoured pretty much every PUA e-book out there.

I'm not gonna lie, I disagree with a lot of the stuff out there, and most of the stuff I don't begin using because:

a) I already do use them
b) I think it's bullshit

lol, AmazeO XD, you have every right to feel the way you do towards Jorge. At first, I felt the same way. (on a side note, the one thing that bothers me is how every PUA material being sold has the same format: one REALLY long vertical page full of hype, hype, hype, and then the "order now" button...followed by testimonials that may or may not be fake ~ don't worry, Jorge, I know yours is free)

but here's the deal, every kind of PUA material out there teaches various concepts:

1) be an alpha male
2) have social proof
3) don't be a wussy, never kiss a woman's ass
4) neg, push-pull technique
5) cocky/funny
6) story-telling, multiple-threading
7) etc, etc, etc

basically, it all revolves around the behaviours a certain ideal man, period.

as for the ethical dilemma, here's a clip of Dr. Phil interviewing Savoy (one of the guys who hi-jacked the Mystery Method, but whatever)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HwB2xMFvwnE

towards the end of the interview(s), some woman in the audience (who's hot) says it's really fake when guys use the method, and that they're not showing their real selves, etc.

now, Dr Phil (who surprisingly endorses pick-up) has such a way with words, and replies with something like "Well, you women had someone teach you how to attract the opposite sex when you were younger, right? they taught you how to do your hair, your make-up, how to dress...." and everybody just shut up!

the art of pick-up is not a perfect practice, and it's not like it's entirely innocent, either. now, I don't wish to play the role of moral police (nor do I want to, I think those people are annoying)

on the other hand, a guy desperate to get a girl will do sneaky things, with or without pick-up techniques, to get a girl to sleep with him.

I believe you can use PUA techniques in either an honest or deceitful way.

It's a double-edged sword.

Anything in the world can be used for either bad or good, it's just the way things work.

cool air rick. i agree with a lot of what you said. Have you ever read Jugglers material. It is by far more unique than the typical pick up thing. his approach is so natural and the less deceitfull thing out there.

I just read Juggler's stuff the other night. I didn't really know much about it, although I've heard of it from time to time, but gave it a read after you mentioned it.

It's a more comforting "method" in which it doesn't rely on routines, and emphasizes the idea that you can open with anything. On the other hand, a part of me feels like it's almost an empty calorie read. Meaning, I didn't have to read much to get the general idea, I just had to skim it. A lot of it is filler.

See here, only people without game (or are working on their game) see this as a "science." Why? Because naturals do the same things and don't even think about it. In NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) it's a popular practice to just mimic the behaviors of successful people, no matter how insignificant the behavior, in order to achieve the same kind of success they do. This includes how one breathes, walks, talks....basically, how they carry themselves.

In my experience, though, the best advice I've gotten about women is from friends who know what they are doing. Their advice usually don't reflect those of PUA techniques, surprisingly, and I see them pull in cuties left and right.

To each his own. Some get girls because of the techniques they use the stuff they read in PUA material, and some get girls because they got a lot of money (believe me, it's a legitimate "way" to get girls). I personally don't know many people at all in real life who apply PUA techniques to score, and I'm not surprised, either. Any technique sold in exchange for money has "ulterior motive" somewhere there, because you can't truly put a price on a techinque, in my opinion.

If one really wants to share the secrets to getting women, he would do it because he wants others to experience that joy of scoring, not for money.

exactly. If i ever get good I would probly host local workshops with about 3 to 500 bucks a head. If i wanted help with bills or something.

I saw the dr.phil with savoy segment. BUT. i found this guy hysterical!

Picking up woman huh?


Hm, same way you'd pick up anyone else, as long as they aren't too heavy.

So there is a technique to actuly picking up wemon!? And books and stuff like that! Please someone tell it to me! I am a noob lol.
I think I could be good at this :D lol.. jk..

If your goal is to get laid, this stuff might be for you, but I urge anyone here to ignore that Long term relationship bullshit. No successful lasting relationship is built around dominating, controlling, or manipulative tactics. The best you will ever achieve is a relationship with a woman who has been tricked into staying with you and will eventually regret it and learn to hate you.

well that's the thing xaq. I'm not into manipulation and bullshit. I take what i can from this skill set for good purposes. not to use and manipulate.

and BTW i've had my fair share of being used and manipulated by women. and that's something i don't put up with.

both sexes have a tendancy to use and manipulate each other.

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well that's the thing xaq. I'm not into manipulation and bullshit. I take what i can from this skill set for good purposes. not to use and manipulate.

and BTW i've had my fair share of being used and manipulated by women. and that's something i don't put up with.

both sexes have a tendancy to use and manipulate each other.

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Use it however you feel like it. I'm just saying that 'game' doesn't apply anymore once you get into actual long term relationship territory and anyone who thinks it does is a douchebag who will only ever have meaningless relationships with shallow people, no matter what gender. Jorge's last post is what I am specifically talking about, and it exemplifies his obvious douchebag qualities.

Wow I didn't even notice how many replies there were! Ok let's get started:

Ranma187: You are completely right! Demonstrating High Value is just that " demonstrating " but what I want to teach is, yes first men "Act" High value, but only for them to " Become " a high value male in the process. You see, to be truly honest with you it's "Not" all about bedding woman. There's so many things we teach that are dedicated to " Improve " the average joe. For example: have you ever had a friend that was shy, not sociable, dresses dirty etc? We want to teach men how to better ' themselves. ' I absolutely do not want all guys to lie there way into bed with girls no way that's low. I want to help men become something they've always dreamed to be...
A Real Man.

have a good one bro.

P.S: I agree with you about Mystery

Magical Mike:

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No way will I ever consider you or anybody a freak, I know where you are coming from 100% Don't consider yourself a freak dude.

As for your problem, I can tell you right now you have a disease it's called "Orbiter" and that's when a guy worships a Girl. Now you may not worship her, but you know what I am talking about. You have oneitus you can't stop thinking about this one girl, how beautiful she is, being with her, dreaming about her, she's constantly on your mind and you really, really want her. But I do have some news you may not want to hear, if you do want this girl, your going to need to drop her at the moment.

Yeah you heard me right dude, and let me tell you why.

1. She doesn't respond to your messages, comments.
2. She's making excuses why she's not responding to you.

Now that isn't the only reason why I want you to drop her, right now bro you are displaying low value. She is living this hectic life as a model, she's probably busy doing a ton of things taking pictures, going places blah blah blah. Then here you are sending her messages:

Why don't you want to talk to me? :embarrassed: <--Low Value

Sending messages to her even though she doesn't reply back <-- Low Value


Now I'm not telling you this to bum you out, but quite the opposite actually. I want you to notice what your doing that isn't working, and do The Opposite and get success. :boogie:

Now how do you get success?

Improving yourself beyond what you thought possible..

Right now you are calling girls, they don't want to talk..
Sending messages and there not replying, yet you still send more..
Constantly thinking of girls that are acting un-interested...

hm..what's the opposite?

Lots of girls calling you but you don't want to talk with them at the moment..
Girls sending you messages and you can't reply to them all..
Girls constantly thinking of you, but you possibly can't give attention to all of them and they think your un-interested...:P

My point is that anything can be reversed if you truly want it, and put all your effort into changing yourself for the better. Not changing ' who you are ' but Making a better
" You. "

Are you willing to change MM?

P.S: Me and Ranman have similar advice:

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AirRick: I definately agree with you it is a double-edge sword, you can use it for good and you can use it for evil. :lol:


And for everyone else, I agree with you saying manipulation is wrong, I agree. I'm not teaching manipulation, the Alpha Mindset is a good one to follow for attracing girls. But there are more that are advance and are easy to follow. I do highly recommend the free e-book that's linked in my sig if you want more information on the subject. Only cost an e-mail, if not it's all good I'll always be here.

AirRick, I like the way you explain the majority of material on this subject, stick around we could team-up. ;) Oh and I'd like for you to check what I'm offering in my sig, check that out and let me know your opinion you'd be surprised.


Have a good one.

Xaqaria

wow dude you seem upset, I can understand where your coming from no doubt. Ok let me ask you..

How can you keep a LTR Strong and last a long time with minimum argues?

It's a serious question.

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I absolutely do not want all guys to lie there way into bed with girls no way that's low.

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But sometimes I just can't help it.

Every guy goes through these stages, and not in any certain order. ~ Sometimes they want to be promiscuous, and sometimes they want to settle down with someone they can see themselves going steady with.

Don't think that you have to try to make pick-up seem ethical, Jorge. I think such a rebuttal would only seem pick-up seem MORE mischievous in every way.

Your right AirRick, it's somewhat difficult to try and share this info when the majority of people already view it as just that.

woohoo Thanks Jorge!
really thanks for the help :D I really apriciate it alot!

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Xaqaria

wow dude you seem upset, I can understand where your coming from no doubt. Ok let me ask you..

How can you keep a LTR Strong and last a long time with minimum argues?

It's a serious question.

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Oh I'm not upset. Stuff on this forum doesn't really effect me that much. I'm perfectly fine with you giving your advice, but when you put yourself and your ideas out here so openly and singlemindedly, you have to be ready for the opinions that people form about you because of it.

Every successful long term relationship I've ever encountered was based on mutual trust and equality in the relationship. When you do something for a person that you are with and love, you do it because it will make them happy; not so that you can get something out of it too. In a trusting relationship, you don't have to worry about getting yours, because you can trust that your partner is as interested in your happiness as you are in theirs. You don't need to worry about buying them gifts just because you think thats what you are obligated to do, you buy them things when thats what you want to do and don't need to worry about any formula designed to keep your status.

In a trusting relationship, you don't have to worry about your partner going out by themself and cheating on you because you trust them and know that if they wanted something else, they wouldn't be with you. You shouldn't need to fund their time without you, but you also shouldn't worry about letting your partner borrow your car or money or whatever because you know there will be a time when you need something from them and they will be willing to give to you. It's all about equal give and take.

In a trusting relationship, no one talks to members of the opposite sex to create jealousy, you talk to whoever you want because there is nothing wrong with interacting with other people and you should be trusted to not do anything that you know you shouldn't. Believe it or not, men and women can interact without the pretext of sex. It shouldn't take balls to interact with members of the opposite sex in front of your partner because a natural confidence comes when you and your partner trust each other and act according to what you both know are comfortable and normal ways to behave in a public setting.

The bottom line is: no one person rules a relationship. The idea that a man is in charge is narrow minded, out-dated and ridiculous. Any relationship that is built on a hierarchy of power is a relationship built on domineering control, deceit, and force and is not a successful relationship. Once you find someone you truly want to be with for a long time, and not simply because you think its the hottest girl you can get, you will realize that any feelings of control will go out the window. A successful relationship acts as one unit in which both pieces are constantly and intuitively tuned to what is best for the other and the relationship as a whole.

I don't need any tricks to know any of this, and I don't need to study method. I know what I know through direct experience of what works and what doesn't.

I have no problem with anything you might want to say about picking up women. Social interaction between single men and women is a game even if some people don't want to admit it. Everyone plays that game for their own reasons and according to their own skill, and I'm perfectly fine with passing out a few tricks to help other's chances of getting noticed. Women play this game to the exact same extent as men.

Once you get past picking someone up and form a real relationship, however, if you think any technique is going to help you, you are just fooling yourself. If you don't just trust each other and behave in the way that is best for both of you, then your relationship is doomed to fail.

Edit: I realize I didn't touch on the topic of argument.

No one who is serious about being in a long term relationship should worry about avoiding argument. Disagreement is natural and arguments are going to happen whether you want them to or not. What you should do is make sure you enter into any disagreement with respect for the person you are with and try to resolve the issue as two adults. As long as niether of you has the assumption that you 'know better' or are in charge but rather that there is just a differing of opinions, then a healthy resolution will be reached each and every time.

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If your goal is to get laid, this stuff might be for you, but I urge anyone here to ignore that Long term relationship bullshit. No successful lasting relationship is built around dominating, controlling, or manipulative tactics. The best you will ever achieve is a relationship with a woman who has been tricked into staying with you and will eventually regret it and learn to hate you.

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Interesting. I see the pick up community as just "leveling the playing field". Especially when you have a set of hired guns. Sometimes...

"Don't I know you from somewhere?"

"Come here often?"

"What's your sign?"

and my personal favorite...

"What's your name"

...Just don't cut it.

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Interesting. I see the pick up community as just "leveling the playing field". Especially when you have a set of hired guns. Sometimes...

"Don't I know you from somewhere?"

"Come here often?"

"What's your sign?"

and my personal favorite...

"What's your name"

...Just don't cut it.

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I don't see how any of what you said has anything to do with my post. I was talking about long term relationships, not picking up women. And honestly, if the best you could do before you started studying these methods was "come here often?" and "Whats your sign?" then you need a lot more help than any of this could offer you.

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I don't see how any of what you said has anything to do with my post. I was talking about long term relationships, not picking up women. And honestly, if the best you could do before you started studying these methods was "come here often?" and "Whats your sign?" then you need a lot more help than any of this could offer you.

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My post was satirical, meant to be taken lightly. Quite similar to your posts within this thread.

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My post was satirical, meant to be taken lightly. Quite similar to your posts within this thread.

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I guess we misunderstood each other then. Nothing I've said in this thread was intended to be a joke or satirical, although everything I say should be taken lightly.

Xaqario:

I respect your input thanks.

Article on Confidence:

Even the best of us could use a good boost in confidence, because confidence is the quality in men that women find attractive far above any other. The more confidence that you display, the more women you will get, and it's as simple as that. I believe that I have developed the most effective and easiest confidence building technique that you will ever learn. Are you ready to go into confidence overdrive?

We have all heard of psychologist and support groups telling people that they must express their feelings by letting them out, because keeping your feelings to yourself, in other words "bottled up", will cause them to build up and grow. This works under the same principles. However, your goal will be to let your feelings build up on purpose by forcing yourself to keep your experiences "bottled up". Let me explain...

Whenever you tell someone about your conquests with women by saying something along the lines of "Remember that girl who gave me her number at the bar last week? I slept with her last night" you are subconsciously lowering the importance of the particular event in your mind. The act of having to "prove yourself" to other people by making your prowess known is actually a display of insecurity, and in the back of our minds we all know that to be true.

If you NEVER tell anyone about your personal life, you will notice that your self confidence will shoot through the roof! This works as a continuous cycle of confidence building because of the "building up" factor, which will continue to raise your confidence level rapidly as long as you always keep everything to yourself. So if you go on a trip to the Bahamas and end up getting with a super model or movie star, keep your mouth shut. The rewards are much better than being able to tell a good story to your friends.

You should start by developing a state of mind in which you could care less about other people knowing your business. You know where you've been and what you've done, and that is all that matters. Once you have achieved this you will no longer need to "prove yourself" to anyone, because they will think highly of you simply because of the confidence you display.

Ok, so I just need to let go of this girl?
I will never see her agian?
Or let go of her, then meet her when I move back right?

I'm sorry, but 160,000 years of human evolution, and you think match making can be taught? Love is a natural phenomena, and something successful to you may not be for another.

Sure, many girls like confident guys, and of course the opposite exists as well; there are many girls who like shy guys just as much.
This concept applies to many things.

I don't mean to trash advice you give, but please allow people the freedom to be themselves without having you say "women like this...", so you should follow suit.

Think for yourselves, and life will go where you want it to.

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Not true. In the past i've gotten laid by being shy. Older women usually go for this type of guy. Some women fantasize about showing a guy "the ropes". You don't have to do much "gaming" with these types of women. Just get to know them and give them an opportunity to isolate you. Let them pick YOU up. all you have to do is be a gentleman with an innocent shyness about you. Listen and pay attention to what she says. When she starts grabbing you and touching, make an excuse to go outside with her.

cool I respect your views, but here's the laydown in my opinion:


The majority of beautiful looking girls, intimidate most guys which causes guys to not approach, not make small talk, and not even try to learn about a girl which could be his next wife.

My point is to just better yourselves, I'm not really teaching you lines. I'm teaching you concepts to follow to make you a better 'you.'

Yeah you can search for your true love, but there's a good chance you won't find them if your too shy too approach, or have a decent convo.

Not true. In the past i've gotten laid by being shy.

I was just joking :D
I am not looking to get laid anyways

Is it ok for me to slip my thumb into a girl's butthole on our first date without asking first? Or would that be bad manners?

Here is a great kino tip... for those that don't know, simply put kino means the art of flirting by touch, for more in-depth information on kino do a search on it at this site and you'll find a few good articles. On with the tip : Whenever you are with a girl and her hair is falling in her face, gently use your index finger to "pull" the hair back and place it behind her ear. When you do this rub your finger down behind her ear all the way down to her ear lobe. Girls respond very well to this and it seems to have a comforting/soothing effect on them... they love it. You can do this as often as you like and once a particular girl becomes accustomed to you doing it to them they will even look forward to you doing it. As an added bonus you can say something nice to them or give them a good compliment while you do it, which will magnify the effect.

Hey, Jorge

I find That setting up dates, using SMS, and phone can be a bit of a headache. I have a full time job, and plenty of other hobbies So day 2's aren't really my style. Do you have any advice for samedays that I meet at a bar? How would you deal with obstacles?

Intresting- ive briefly skimmed through this, and Jorge seemed to know some of his stuff. I studied a bit of Psychology, mainly to do with social dynamics, alongside shitloads of books regarding Body language. Mainly to do with people of power. (for instance, Presidents, figures of authority and WOMEN in some cases Etc)

nitsuJ, I think its acceptable that you do so, providing that you weigh out the pros and cons of your actions. For instance if you think that you'll be able to pull that off without any resistance, then so be it. It should be a gut feeling, not an objective. As for if you're both getting turned on, Just do what you do when you're normally turned on. Dont make it a goal to do 'that' (even though i find it utterly disgusting. but hey, People have different tastes.)

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I'm sorry, but 160,000 years of human evolution, and you think match making can be taught? Love is a natural phenomena, and something successful to you may not be for another.

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Im sorry too, but who wouldve thought that during those times, the vibrations from the diaphragm made by primates would evolve into something called Communication.

Be a bit more open minded next time.

-Envy

Edit by ClouD: No personal insults. :nono:

What do you say when a girl on myspace says "Your hot"
Tell me for
-A girl you dont like
-A girl you might like
-A girl you do like

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Is it ok for me to slip my thumb into a girl's butthole on our first date without asking first? Or would that be bad manners?

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I will laugh at this so you won't feel so stupid

.....lol