Thread: Cheating

What is everones view on cheating. I hate when people cheat. I never cheat on test, it is just wrong. You are get credit for some thing that you did not do. A lot of people ask me to help them cheat on test, and I hate it. I never know what to say. i did not cheat on my fianal but a lot of people did.What is your views on cheating and do you do it.

Um. What kinda tests did you take... did you get the scores back yet? If they have anything remotely to do with spelling and grammar, I wouldn't get my hopes up for an A.

HAHAHA.


um no, I don't cheat, and I definately wouldn't help anyone cheat. ask them just what they are trying to accomplish by cheating. it's not the grade that matters it's what you know or don't know.

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP
it's not the grade that matters it's what you know or don't know.

Try saying that during an interview...

No, i dont cheat. I dont really need to, my grades are good enough. And if my friends ask for the answer i usually tell them that i didn't get that one

Another thing that pisses me off is copying anothers work, like homework for example. You would do like an hours work and then someone would copy it in 15 minutes. That really ticks me off.

I don't cheat; I don't need to, luckily.

However, I'll help my friends "study" with what I remember was on a test if they ask. 2 reasons.

A. They're a smart friend who also has worked for the grade and it wouldn't matter or not if I did not tell them, it's just discussion.
B. They're dumb and quite helpless. ("Oh, heavens, why that's because you keep helping them cheat!" No, because they're my best friends and face reprocussions from failing a class.)

It pisses me off when some of the B-category friends won't let us A-category friends in on what the more-difficult problems were on a test, all because it's graded on curve (which was implemented to better all the dumbasses out there! For example, me - 35/37, A-cat friend: 32/37, of the entire school population left enrolled in Chemistry, 28/37 was the next highest grade. I love destroying the curve.)

That's not to say I've never cheated on a test before.

I practice "cramming" almost routinely, it usually yields a few extra points. Sometimes, during a math test, I've entered notes into my graphing calculator in a program which I can view. But scold me not, it's just because sometimes I don't have the time to study properly for tests (I never usually have to) and unlike 99% of the school population, I won't cheat without knowing that I won't independently learn the material at a later time.

I love this rambling. like 12 ppl will read this entire post in the entire history of DreamViews.

Anyway, back to it. When I was a mere child of say 2nd grade I had once written answer done on my arm hidden under a sleeve. No biggie.

If someone would ask me an answer to a test question (before the test or something) I'd probably give him/her the answer because I really don't care. They're still going to suck. People don't want to learn how to solve a problem, people don't want to be worked through the necessary steps, they don't want to try and put forth effort, they just want the answer. That's all they can do.

One time, while browsing the school's teachers' network folders, I got bored and printed a copy of the following day's Final test for a (name-omitted) class to study and brainstorm the essay-like answers. It helped, but only to my personal disposition such that I could grab a peaceful nights sleep knowing that the test was a breeze and nothing had to be studied.

Basically, to summarize how I feel about cheating:

1. I have no problem with it as long as it's not an entire test, I can't get in trouble for it, and it's a personal favor.
2. Because I kick-ass so much, I am justified in sometimes pulling a few ropes for personal betterment on an exam.
3. If I help you cheat, I expect there to be a personal debt such that you help me cheat given the need.

Originally posted by nightowl
Another thing that pisses me off is copying anothers work, like homework for example. You would do like an hours work and then someone would copy it in 15 minutes. That really ticks me off.

Quite irritating; agreed. In those cases I might avoid contact with the person or whatever.. Once I had a friend who was even too lazy to copy my study guide packet because, regardless that the answers were correct and written down, he still had to write about 2 pages worth of text. It's aggravating because I'd never do the same because quite frankly I can't trust anyone else's answer in being correct, so therefore the favor cannot be returned, but I've come to accept that and do not care.

It's *extremely* irritating recalling the experiences being seating-chart-like arranged next to this one particular dumbass who would always, and obviously, copy me during any classwork: test, worksheet, or activity. Body language and formation and concealment wouldn't even throw off this kid. So it'd get to the point where I'd casually stroll through the test writing the incorrect answers down, wait for him to copy them (easy to tell), flip the page.. finish that one with him copying the answers every now and then, fiddle around and wait for him to get done, then go back and act like I just remembered something and change most of my answers that I had originally marked false.

And this one time, I kid you not, he actually went back and changed his answers when he realized I was changing mine. A flat hand over the test proved to be quite a statement as he fiddled in answer-less space, returning to the answer he had originally marked, the one he stole from me.

That fucker.

Those god damn pricks, I swear to god! It's the same bullshit. You work for 5 hours a night doing homework, and they get it all done in 5 minutes by copying off one dumbass. The worst part comes when you forget to do just one problem, and you get grilled for it, while they just slide by and laugh at you like they're some higher beings who miraculously knew all the answers.

Not to mention when tests are returned. I receive 98's, while they get 100s. What the fuck? It's bad enough that I do all the work, expecting a higher mark for my studies (using appropriate logic: "they may get a ninety-??, but I'll surely get higher"), but then they have to top me like that? No, no fucking way. Not to mention, that it's pricks like these that'll probably take top spots in college review lists. I'll take China's system any day. At least there's appropriate testing conditions.

I actually helped a friend out a bit with english on a final exam. It wasnt because the guy didnt study or slacked, he worked his ASS off on english he's just really bad at it... so i helped him get minimum grade on his final so he could still pass highschool, if i didnt help him he probably would've failed... and that would've sucked since he did real good on all other things like math and stuff, he's just not as good at english.

Originally posted by CT
Um. What kinda tests did you take... did you get the scores back yet? If they have anything remotely to do with spelling and grammar, I wouldn't get my hopes up for an A. *

Fuck you cunt. Just so you know I make great grades. If you dont have any thing constructive to add to the therd then keep you big, fat, ugly ass out of it. You think that you are sooooo cooool because you are a moderator or something on some site. Why dont you take your slutty ass and go do what your mama did and make some bucks by selling your cunt to who ever is willing to pay, oops your mom was just a hamburger whore she did not give sex for cash.

Here's a thought. Respect yourself and don't outright attack someone like that. Not only do you look like a jackass, but one with very low self-esteem. You could have just explained that you don't like being talked to in such a manner, and ended it. This entire site and forum is not a trash-basket, and I don't like it being made one. It's alright to swear, here and there, but verbal assualt is just not cool.

She has repeatedly done the same to me, the only differance is that I use a more colorful vocabulary.

P.S. CT you can keep telling yourself that you did not cheat but you did.

Originally posted by sitboy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sitboy)</div>

Originally posted by CT+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CT)

Um. What kinda tests did you take... did you get the scores back yet? If they have anything remotely to do with spelling and grammar, I wouldn't get my hopes up for an A. [/b]

Fuck you cunt. Just so you know I make great grades. If you dont have any thing constructive to add to the therd then keep you big, fat, ugly ass out of it. You think that you are sooooo cooool because you are a moderator or something on some site. Why dont you take your slutty ass and go do what your mama did and make some bucks by selling your cunt to who ever is willing to pay, oops your mom was just a hamburger whore she did not give sex for cash.[/b]

Hahah. Atleast your spelling is better in this post!

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She has repeatedly done the same to me, the only differance is that I use a more colorful vocabulary.

Sorry if I told you your spelling was annoying me more then once, but yeah the way you type up your posts is annoying and when that happens I make a comment about it.


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P.S. CT you can keep telling yourself that you did not cheat but you did.[/quote]

I never said I didnt.

Originally posted by sitboy
You think that you are sooooo cooool because you are a moderator or something on some site.

Ummm, no, he's cool because he got a piece of Ophelia ass.

Here, I'll spell it for you: "A-S-S"

Now go do your fucking homework shitwit.

On Topic: I voted "no." I used to cheat, but then when I realised I don't believe in god or anything, that kinda leaves a person with one thing only: self worth. So I quit doing all the things that I think are "bad." Like cheating, lying, stealing, doing drugs, etc.

But insulting sitboy isn't bad. So open season I say.

Basically, it depends on how and where. When it comes to cheating in school, I really don't care. Cheat all you want. Why? Cause who the fuck cares anyway? I mean, you are forced by society to learn a bunch of shit that you will never use or need again in your life and you have no choice in the matter. If you refuse to learn it, you are fucked. Therefore, if you wish to pretend like you learned it, be my guest.

I remember a time in my life where I felt cheating was wrong and people should work for their grades. Friends would ask me for answers in tests, and I would tell them no. They would get all pissed up at me, but I didn't care. I was doing the right thing...hah! What a concept! The right thing...fuck that! Who says what is right and wrong? Who is the real loser but the cheater himself, and if he doesn't care about it, then let him be. It's not like life is fair, and as if cheaters don't end up ahead of you in life by doing so. I don't condone that at all, but I don't care about cheating when it is a trivial matter and one in where you won't be hurting others.

I'm sure some of you will say "but I study my ass of, it's not fair for them to get better grades". And you'd be right. But then again, what is a grade? What is it good for and what use will it be to you in the long run? Do you think think any of it will make a difference in the long run? I know that colleges take that into account and cheaters could get into a better college than you because of it. Than you who actually learned who the 12th president of your country was and what he did (which will be OH so useful in real life). Fair, huh? No, but neither is life, so just live with it.

Wow...what an incoherent rant. I have to get some sleep soon...3 hours till my shift is over.

*continues*

Anyway, I cheated when I had to and helped out my friends when I could. I don't regret it at all. Why should I? Does it make me a bad person? Does it reflect how smart and capable I am? NO! Not at all...but society seems to think so. Then let them continue to do so. If they insist on judging one unfairly, then I will play their game unfairly.

I think I'll just take a nap, at work. Cause I can...

Originally posted by sitboy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sitboy)</div>

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Um. What kinda tests did you take... did you get the scores back yet? If they have anything remotely to do with spelling and grammar, I wouldn't get my hopes up for an A.

Fuck you cunt. Just so you know I make great grades. If you dont have any thing constructive to add to the therd then keep you big, fat, ugly ass out of it. You think that you are sooooo cooool because you are a moderator or something on some site. Why dont you take your slutty ass and go do what your mama did and make some bucks by selling your cunt to who ever is willing to pay, oops your mom was just a hamburger whore she did not give sex for cash.[/b]

Look, it's been a long time since anybody on DV has come across to be as a really annoying person (the last person was probably padfoot). I'm able to tolerate everybody on this forum, pretty much - conflicting opinons are to be expected, but I've never actually been really irritated by anybody here. But you are doing a really good job of running into flame wars so fast, neglecting to see that it was a damn joke. And what is this crap about moderators think they're so cool? It's called a *joke*. This must be the 4th time you've just run out shouting insults and crap at the top of your lungs for posts that, in one case, wasn't even related to you in the slightest. Congratulations on being the first person in several months to be falling so far and fast down the respect-scale in my books, that soon you'll reach the point where you won't be able to redeem yourself. Why don't you just think before you post, okay? And lose the "MODS SUCK" mantra while you're there. Not just you to fault, though, it's like a small cloud of doom and gloom is passing over the forum with the apparent grammar nazis, age comments, etc...

wow sitboy, your insults are about as good as your grammar!

i'd really wish people would stop picking fights with the dream guides and mods. we're not wussies and we will retaliate either with flowers or fists.

Originally posted by nightowl
we're not wussies and we will retaliate either with flowers or fists.

YEAH!



TAKE THAT SITBOY!!!!

El Culo

osuwariotokonoko -- that's "sitboy" in Japanese, btw -- you are such a piece of work!!! OMG why do I get the sassy little newber!?

Let me just say a couple of things for the record:

To anyone who thinks Kaniaz, Paperdoll, or Dutch Cutie (a.k.a. CT), and anyone else, are annoying -- well, they're not. Period. What they are is clever jokesters who try and rile newbishes up, and if you retaliate by attacking them or complaining that they're annoying, well hey, you've just taken their bait. Try beating them at their own sarcastic, wacky war o' the words. I have been teased mercilessly by them all for different things, and I love them all -- in a totally platonic, forum buddies kinda way.

I love gengo -- that's "foreign languages". I will continue to use pidgin Japanese and pidgin leet, pidgin Hebrew/Yiddish on the holidays, and whatever other tongue I feel like expressing myself with. I may sound like an idiot at times, I know that. The point is I don't care, and I know that no one who "bashes" me for it really hates me (except perhaps docthory, who I don't know has forgiven me since that whole "that thing in your (sig/avatar) looks like Michael Jackson incident" O.o).

Nothing is always as it seems. Don't be so quick to judge and subsequently make enemies for real. Let it ride. Go with the flow, etc.



Edit: And just so my post isn't completely irrelevant, I have cheated in the past, but because I am in college now, my cheating days are over. The window of me not getting caught and flayed alive is almost completely shut, and I was never that slick to begin with.

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka
osuwariotokonoko -- that's \"sitboy\" in Japanese, btw -- you are such a piece of work!!! OMG why do I get the sassy little newber!?

Let me just say a couple of things for the record:

To anyone who thinks Kaniaz, Paperdoll, or Dutch Cutie (a.k.a. CT), and anyone else, are annoying -- well, they're not. Period. What they are is clever jokesters who try and rile newbishes up, and if you retaliate by attacking them or complaining that they're annoying, well hey, you've just taken their bait. Try beating them at their own sarcastic, wacky war o' the words. I have been teased mercilessly by them all for different things, and I love them all -- in a totally platonic, forum buddies kinda way.

I love gengo -- that's \"foreign languages\". I will continue to use pidgin Japanese and pidgin leet, pidgin Hebrew/Yiddish on the holidays, and whatever other tongue I feel like expressing myself with. I may sound like an idiot at times, I know that. The point is I don't care, and I know that no one who \"bashes\" me for it really hates me (except perhaps docthory, who I don't know has forgiven me since that whole \"that thing in your (sig/avatar) looks like Michael Jackson incident\" O.o).

Nothing is always as it seems. Don't be so quick to judge and subsequently make enemies for real. Let it ride. Go with the flow, etc.



Edit: And just so my post isn't completely irrelevant, I have cheated in the past, but because I am in college now, my cheating days are over. The window of me not getting caught and flayed alive is almost completely shut, and I was never that slick to begin with.

allright you said it

Originally posted by Ramu
The window of me not getting caught and flayed alive is almost completely shut, and I was never that slick to begin with.

LMAO

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka
Try beating them at their own sarcastic, wacky war o' the words.

we never lose

Amen, Kaniaz.

Relevancy to post: I don't cheat. The last time I did was on the PSATs and I didn't really mean to. I ran into a "stupid mistake" and ran past it.... Anyway, PSATs don't count for ANYTHING! (I wasn't going to get a Natl. Honors Scholarship anyway)

-Amé

I help others cheat, because failing sucks, and I really don't care about the system or any of that. Personally, though, I don't cheat, cause I don't need to. I just get good grades, and i'd actually rather study and learn the stuff just to get what little i can out of it. I figure, i have to do it, so I might as well get as much out of it as I can. Even if you may never need to know who the 12th President of the US was, it makes you look REALLY smart when you know anyway. For example: Look at the Jeopardy guy, Ken Jennings. Now, about 99% of the trivia on that show would ever possibly be needed in real life. But, how many of you would say that Ken Jennings is stupid?