Thread: Home Schooling Is Bad.

As appealing as Home schooling is, I'm glad I got my social skills from going to public school. HOWEVER....

Did you not ever participate in Homeschooling groups? They meet up and do things together, like having field trips or just hang out sessions, just like public school.

The fact that there are groups that get together is the reason I changed my opinion about Homeschooling. Not that I'd consider it for my future kids seeing as I want to be an English teacher.

Someone broadcasting their opinions as fact on the internet? STOP THE PRESSES!

I've been home schooled since birth, and I'm going to college next year. My older brother was home schooled from birth, and he just going on to law school next year. I've already worked several small jobs.

I've got many friends I hang out with daily.
Are you telling me that the definition of "proper socializing" is learned from other kids who haven't been on this earth for even 18 years, and most of which will act like idiots given half a chance? I've got some friends who were home schooled through middle school, and now are in college, and they just love talking about all those times they got totally drunk and managed to not get pulled over as those drove home, or laugh at the other guys who did, or how they got totally high the other night. I'm worried that you consider crap like this "socially acceptable".

That is like saying someone who spent a few months in the local town prison for some low-level crime has the same amount of prison experience as big Bubbah who served hard time for drug dealing and murder.

At first I was overwhelmed by other people and a society in general. Eventually after awhile i started to figure out how to act by observing other kids and how they acted. But i made many mistakes along way.

So you made an ass out of yourself in front of other kids? News flash buddy, that would have happened regardless. Mistakes are part of life, and I think you are doing something wrong if you plan on going through life without making mistakes. Life is making mistakes and learning from them.

No, I'm afraid the case here is you were probably scared of socializing in the first place, and declined all the opportunities you had during your time home schooled to go out and be with other kids.

I'm not gonna pretend to know what is in the best interests of you or your children's educational future, as that would be presumptuous at best if I didn't know your circumstances, and the kind of effort you are willing to dedicate to making it work.

When I go on to college, I'll make mistakes, look like an idiot, learn the ropes, and get on with my life. Cause I should just give up now if I'm gonna loose sleep over what someone who I'll likely never work with or speak with again thinks of me.

Get a little bit of self-confidence.

Yes, you could make the argument that home schooling isn't for everyone. But to say that no one should do it is being extremely ignorant, and only speaks of how little you think beyond the obvious and evaluate all the factors before making a statement like this.

homeschooler with social skills here. your parents sheltered you.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Did you not ever participate in Homeschooling groups? They meet up and do things together, like having field trips or just hang out sessions, just like public school.

also this.
I was in a homeschool co-op band for over 6 years. I was heavily involved in my church activities as well. I still had many friends that I met around the block.

Just because you're home-schooled doesn't mean you won't have a social life.

Also bro-fist to Exdream for explaining shit perfectly.

what Exdream said.

The only thing us homeschool'd kids are lacking is the dulling mentality of a highschooler.

Exdream hits the nail on the head. Besides, kids who are home-schooled statistically are better educated than those going to prison-public schools.

I was homeschooled for one year in the third grade, and then the last two years of high school, but that has nothing to do with why I'm shy and a bit lacking in social skills (only when it comes to kids my age- I can hold a conversation with adults just fine. Most kids have weird mind games and behaviors of socializing where they lack straight logic and decency).

Originally Posted by Exdream

Someone broadcasting their opinions as fact on the internet? STOP THE PRESSES!

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

I just want to start off by saying i was home schooled so this is an opinion coming from someone who knows what he is talking about.

I said it was an opinion so learn what your talking about before you start flaming.

I didn't get much time to socialize like you guys i guess.

I've met a few home schooled kids when I was in high school, and they weren't particularly social... but they did seem to be more decent human beings than other kids I knew.

I'm not very fond of the idea myself, but... I think it really comes down to parents and the level of thought and research they've put into a home schooling program.

I've known a few homeschooled people, and they are distinctly not social. I've gone to bars with them before, I took them over to talk to a group of women and they really didn't know what to do

One of my good friends who's in Girl Scouts with me was homeschooled until high school. She's very sweet and a very good person. She really social now, but she has drama out the wazoo (none of it caused by her. It's like she's targeted). A lot of high school kids are, quite plainly, just dicks. I'm just really happy I was her friend first along with the rest of my troop, otherwise high school would've eaten her alive.

Most home schooled kids I know are very intelligent but socially f*cked. Not in a bad way though. Just very different. I kinda wish I was home schooled, just to see how different I would have turned out. I hated Jr High and HS.

Gives too much control over a child's education to hill-billy parents.

Mind-numbing as it is, I'd rather have a state-approved education than one created by parents that could believe fucking anything.

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

I just want to start off by saying i was home schooled so this is an opinion coming from someone who knows what he is talking about. The thing that is bad about it is social skills. I went to public school this year because i wanted to know what it was like. So when i got there i had no idea how to act in a society so i often sat in the corner or something. At first I was overwhelmed by other people and a society in general. Eventually after awhile i started to figure out how to act by observing other kids and how they acted. But i made many mistakes along way. So if you are thinking about home schooling your kids. DONT! All it is, is sheltering them and not letting them develope proper social skills. Developing proper social skills was a very hard process for me and was very stressful. And if your thinking about never sending them to school well they will eventually have to get a job or go to college and won't have the proper social skills to function.

I was homeschooled for all of 3rd 4th and 5th grade. I went to a private school in sixth and got to public school in 7th grade (I think)... That year almost broke me.

Moral of the story: Make sure your kids are social if their homeschooled. Life will be hell for them if you don't.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Gives too much control over a child's education to hill-billy parents.

Mind-numbing as it is, I'd rather have a state-approved education than one created by parents that could believe fucking anything.

This the main thing that scares me about home schooling. I know a religious lunatic who plans on home schooling her children (the fact that she's 17 and stating this only backs up my lunatic perception of her). They can brainwash. I mean, they can do that anyway, but only more so when they have complete power over their child's education.

I don't wish I was home schooled, simply coz I like who I am and any alteration of the past could change this. But it would be interesting to see how one would be different. My brother was home schooled, but he actually had a bunch of teachers come home and teach him. He's pretty social and a "people's person." I guess it just depends on whether someone's willing to try to improve themselves socially. It's natural to some, and not to others, but it can be achieved by everyone..

Still, I can definitely see why an intelligent set of parents would like to home school their kids (in the US). The state approved education sucks, it's killing our creativity and higher learning. Plus the environment of public education is shitty shitty shitty. Those are other arguments, though.

PRO

Superior Education

Originally Posted by Dear

The only thing us homeschool'd kids are lacking is the dulling mentality of a highschooler.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Besides, kids who are home-schooled statistically are better educated than those going to prison-public schools.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Most home schooled kids I know are very intelligent

Originally Posted by Xox

I can definitely see why an intelligent set of parents would like to home school their kids (in the US). The state approved education sucks, it's killing our creativity and higher learning. Plus the environment of public education is shitty shitty shitty.

Home Schooling Does Not Mean No Social Skills

Originally Posted by Xox

My brother was home schooled, but he actually had a bunch of teachers come home and teach him. He's pretty social and a "people's person." I guess it just depends on whether someone's willing to try to improve themselves socially. It's natural to some, and not to others, but it can be achieved by everyone..

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Homeschooling groups? They meet up and do things together, like having field trips or just hang out sessions, just like public school.

The fact that there are groups that get together is the reason I changed my opinion about Homeschooling.

Originally Posted by no-Name

homeschooler with social skills here [...] I was in a homeschool co-op band for over 6 years. I was heavily involved in my church activities as well. I still had many friends that I met around the block.

Just because you're home-schooled doesn't mean you won't have a social life.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I've met a few home schooled kids [...] they did seem to be more decent human beings than other kids I knew.

General

Originally Posted by Exdream

Yes, you could make the argument that home schooling isn't for everyone. But to say that no one should do it is being extremely ignorant [...] evaluate all the factors before making a statement like this.

CON

No Social Skills

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

The thing that is bad about it is social skills. [...] I was overwhelmed by other people and a society in general. [...] All it is, is sheltering them and not letting them develope proper social skills. [...] never sending them to school well they will eventually have to get a job or go to college and won't have the proper social skills to function.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

As appealing as Home schooling is, I'm glad I got my social skills from going to public school.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I've met a few home schooled kids when I was in high school, and they weren't particularly social

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

One of my good friends who's in Girl Scouts with me was homeschooled until high school [...] I'm just really happy I was her friend first along with the rest of my troop, otherwise high school would've eaten her alive.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I've known a few homeschooled people, and they are distinctly not social. I've gone to bars with them before, I took them over to talk to a group of women and they really didn't know what to do

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Most home schooled kids I know are [...] socially f*cked.

Parental Control Over Education

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Gives too much control over a child's education to hill-billy parents.

Mind-numbing as it is, I'd rather have a state-approved education than one created by parents that could believe fucking anything.

Originally Posted by Xox

This the main thing that scares me about home schooling. I know a religious lunatic who plans on home schooling her children (the fact that she's 17 and stating this only backs up my lunatic perception of her). They can brainwash. I mean, they can do that anyway, but only more so when they have complete power over their child's education.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I think it really comes down to parents and the level of thought and research they've put into a home schooling program.

List make everything okey.

That was pretty good.

When you organise things with neat formatting the world seems a happier place.

Originally Posted by no-Name

Also bro-fist to Exdream for explaining shit perfectly.

I agree to an extent that social skills can be dampened. I know plenty of homeschooled people and though many are normal... I know a few black sheep.

I was homeschooled for 1 year... grade 7... and I finished the whole curriculum by january (end of 1st semester) so I could either move up a grade or take half the year off... I took half the year off Anyways... I find that in school you're moving at the pace of the slowest student, while at home I moved at my own pace and finished quick. Kindergarten to Grade 6 I was in private school... which helped a lot. From grade 8 to 12 I was in public school... and the funny thing is even into grade 12 there were lots of things i had already learned in private school... like sciences, english, socials etc. To give you an idea of how hard private school was, in grade 4 much of my class already had a reading comprehension higher than standard grade 12 comprehension. In grade 6 my class read Bram Stoker's "Dracula"... in grade 1 we had our multiplication tables to 50, and adding and subtracting to 4 digits. My school also did, and still does, use 'the strap'. Essentially a strip of leather they hit you with on the hand a couple times when you're bad. Old school eh? LOL

You act like there isn't shy, and socially akward people who go to public school. Where do you think the sterotype of bookworms and nerds come from? Never heard of teens who got bullied? What about ones that commited sucide because bully was so bad?

The fact is, there are kids who sit in the corner and don't socialize, and they could of been in public school all their life. Public school doesn't teach people how to socialize.

Social skill has nothing to do with where you were educated. I wouldn't even call it a skill. Its an attitude. I would say 70% of socializing is walking over to someone and saying hello. If you are a shy nervous type person, then you will not be as good as a more out going person. Not because they are any better but because you never got the courage to walk over and say hello.

The fact is, there are kids who sit in the corner and don't socialize, and they could of been in public school all their life.

-True

Public school doesn't teach people how to socialize.

-Not as true! The difference is that public school forces...no... ENCOURAGES socializing. The fact is, it's much more easy to socialize when you spend six hours a day around upwards of 500 people then when you don't. You can't deny that... it's fact. That isn't to say people who are homeschooled can't socialize, or won't go out of their way to socialize... but through public school socializing is almost required for 'survival'. I see what you're getting at though...

Homeschool =/= Anti-social
Public school =/= Social
And vice versa...

But you still have to understand that whether you're homeschooled or publically schooled does have an effect on you social life... whether small or large. But they'll always be the exceptions in both cases...

That isn't true, because your supposed to be learning while at school. A person is entirely capble of studying and listening to a teacher give a lecture, without talking to people around them.

"Can I borrow a pencil" and the occasional oral book report that a person could just skip if they dont mind the bad grade, isn't exactly pushing people to be great at socalizing.

In fact, if you go to public school you would notice that most people are friends and talk to, the people who live by them. The people living near you are probably your friends already, and you hang out after school. So seeing them in school and talking a bit, doesn't add anything.

As for the amount of people at the school, that makes no difference. That is like saying walking down a crowded street causes you to become better at socalizing. In fact, the more classes you go to, and the more people you see the more they become strangers. At some point your no longer friends with your classmates because you don't know any of them, and there is no socalizing taking place at all.

That isn't true, because your supposed to be learning while at school. A person is entirely capble of studying and listening to a teacher give a lecture, without talking to people around them.

Sure it is... students are CAPABLE of not socializing... but it's a natural tendency to want to be social.

"Can I borrow a pencil" and the occasional oral book report that a person could just skip if they dont mind the bad grade, isn't exactly pushing people to be great at socalizing.

There is lunch period, and time in class where socializing occurs. And When I talk about socializing, I don't just mean communication. Even simply be around people, knowing how to act and what's appropriate is all part of being social.

In fact, if you go to public school you would notice that most people are friends and talk to, the people who live by them. The people living near you are probably your friends already, and you hang out after school. So seeing them in school and talking a bit, doesn't add anything.

Not completely true... out of my ring of 30 someodd close friends at school only one lives close... and maybe 2 or 3 passed my house on the way to school and back.

As for the amount of people at the school, that makes no difference. That is like saying walking down a crowded street causes you to become better at socalizing.

That's a terrible comparison! Being home, only with parents and sibling will deficit your social ability more so than spending 6 ours a day interacting with teachers and other students... You seem to be really defensive or something...

In fact, the more classes you go to, and the more people you see the more they become strangers.

That doesn't even make sense.

At some point your no longer friends with your classmates because you don't know any of them, and there is no socalizing taking place at all.

No offence, but this is terrible reasoning. Where's the logic? I've gone through highschool... I know how it works. I have many close knit relationships with friends and teachers. I'm sorry but you aren't making sense to me... if either you or someone else could expand on what you're trying to say. 'Cause to me it sounds like you're saying being around people makes you less social. Human beings are the number one ingredient for creating your identity and social life... I have no idea where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by Alric

In fact, the more classes you go to, and the more people you see the more they become strangers. At some point your no longer friends with your classmates because you don't know any of them, and there is no socalizing taking place at all.

This makes no sense to me. If anything I know my friends better because I talk to them, and they talk to me. I help them with their problems, and on the rare occasion I have a problem, they help me. Maybe that's because I talk to the same people every Even and Odd day, but still.

Okay, let me try to clear up my point a bit. When I am talking about someones ability to socialize I am talking about making new friends and talking to strangers. I don't really count really good friends you already have, because even extremely shy people socialize well once they get comfortable with someone. So being able to talk with your best friend and your family doesn't count for as much as how you interact with everyone else.

Any way, in the lower grades the entire class stays together, and you do have a chance to make friends. If your friends don't live by you, they were probably people you knew in earlier grades at school.

However middle school, highschool and collage, you progressively run into more and more people. You do not get to know them, you do not make friends. They might be in your class but they may as well be strangers.

So my point is, you might be in 6 different classes a day, and each class might have 30 different people in them, but at the end of the day how many of your 180 classmates do you know?

Maybe you know them all, maybe you don't. My point is that is that it is extremely easy to get by without becoming friends with any of them. They are all just strangers. If you didn't know them before you got stuck into the class with them, the majority of the time you wont know them after.

It gives you the option of meeting new people, sure. But it hardly promotes meeting new people.