Thread: Galantamine + Choline

I took 6mg Galantamine and 950mg Choline as I previously mentioned again this morning at a WBTB.
This time I had a cool lucid and was able to fly properly for the first time.
It was a FA too with full SP at the beginning.

I was quite tired, so I may try L-theanine on the mornings I am not so tired.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

I took 6mg Galantamine and 950mg Choline as I previously mentioned again this morning at a WBTB.
This time I had a cool lucid and was able to fly properly for the first time.
It was a FA too with full SP at the beginning.

I was quite tired, so I may try L-theanine on the mornings I am not so tired.

I am happy for your success.

When I use galantamine i tend to be grounded in the dreams, mobility wise. I feel like I cannot move freely as much.

I recommend not using galantamine on a daily basis, let >48 hours pass from dose to dose, it takes it 48 hours to clear your system.

Originally Posted by moe007

I am happy for your success.

When I use galantamine i tend to be grounded in the dreams, mobility wise. I feel like I cannot move freely as much.

I recommend not using galantamine on a daily basis, let >48 hours pass from dose to dose, it takes it 48 hours to clear your system.

Yes I have read that. Silly thing is this was the second morning I took this in a row, and it gave me a LD.

What can we try that is everyday then?

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Yes I have read that. Silly thing is this was the second morning I took this in a row, and it gave me a LD.

What can we try that is everyday then?

Well yeah it could work two days consecutively, but that means that the galantamine is accumulating in your blood/plasma.

Which in turn will lead to tolerance, and a need for a higher dose. Even with the higher dose, your body will have become accustomed with the effects, and may negate some of the potentially helpful effects of the drug. I recommend at least 3 days in between galantamine uses, but if you really want to you could go for 2 days in between. I would let a full 48 hours set before taking it again.

You could try melatonin before bed daily. Melatonin in doses of >3mg can suppress REM sleep for quite a bit, 4-6 hours depending on the individual's response to it as well as metabolism. When the drug wears off, you are sent into REM-Rebound, which will give you long, intense REM cycles which cause very vivid dreams, and a higher chance you will become lucid.

You could also try Vitamin B6 + tryptophan. If you do not have the supplement, Try eating some turkey for tryptophan, and a banana for B6. Cheddar cheese is another good source of tryptophan. These should be consumed before bedtime, and have the same effects as melatonin.

There are 5htp supplments which have the same REM suppressing qualities. 150-300mg before bed should be sufficient.

L-dopa supplements taken at WBTB time, INSTEAD of galantamine are also quite helpful and are a strong WILD aid. If taken before bed, they will cause intense dreams, but reduce your sleep quality greatly.

Originally Posted by moe007

Well yeah it could work two days consecutively, but that means that the galantamine is accumulating in your blood/plasma.

Which in turn will lead to tolerance, and a need for a higher dose. Even with the higher dose, your body will have become accustomed with the effects, and may negate some of the potentially helpful effects of the drug. I recommend at least 3 days in between galantamine uses, but if you really want to you could go for 2 days in between. I would let a full 48 hours set before taking it again.

You could try melatonin before bed daily. Melatonin in doses of >3mg can suppress REM sleep for quite a bit, 4-6 hours depending on the individual's response to it as well as metabolism. When the drug wears off, you are sent into REM-Rebound, which will give you long, intense REM cycles which cause very vivid dreams, and a higher chance you will become lucid.

You could also try Vitamin B6 + tryptophan. If you do not have the supplement, Try eating some turkey for tryptophan, and a banana for B6. Cheddar cheese is another good source of tryptophan. These should be consumed before bedtime, and have the same effects as melatonin.

There are 5htp supplments which have the same REM suppressing qualities. 150-300mg before bed should be sufficient.

L-dopa supplements taken at WBTB time, INSTEAD of galantamine are also quite helpful and are a strong WILD aid. If taken before bed, they will cause intense dreams, but reduce your sleep quality greatly.

Thanks again.

Dr. Yuschak talks about taking piracetam after each session to get the galantamine out of the body faster and to prevent tolerance. That way you can do it every second night. Anyone tested piracetam?

Originally Posted by Jammy

Dr. Yuschak talks about taking piracetam after each session to get the galantamine out of the body faster and to prevent tolerance. That way you can do it every second night. Anyone tested piracetam?

My honest opinion on piracetam,

just wait 3 days in between galantamine uses and let it clear out of your system before you try it again.

Why use another drug, and quite a large does of it (3-4grams), to counteract another drug?

Just let it clear out before you use it again.

My last four out of eight total tries were not successful. Increase of the dosage doesn't have any effect.

Is it possible to replace L-theanine with Valerian?

Would Valerian, have taken together with Galantamina, the same effect that L-theanine?

Thank you for answering.

Originally Posted by Ulises

Is it possible to replace L-theanine with Valerian?

Would Valerian, have taken together with Galantamina, the same effect that L-theanine?

Thank you for answering.

I tried both and as for me Valerian had a "knock out effect" that is better for DILD contrary to L-Theanine ( I took 200mg + 0.7mg Melatonin ) which gently leads you to deeper threshold stage and allows for better conscious control thus is better for WILD. The other positive side of the latter for me is required much lower doze. Nevertheless I know some folks who use succesfully Valerian + Galantamine + Choline.

Aaaa I forgot... I took the same usual doze of Galantamine+Choline+L-Theanine without Melatonin and it was a bit more difficult to WILD. On the other side it was just once and I can't draw any conclusions.

Originally Posted by Ulises

Is it possible to replace L-theanine with Valerian?

Would Valerian, have taken together with Galantamina, the same effect that L-theanine?

Thank you for answering.

Valerian Root tends to work on different types of receptors in the brain, focusing on the GABA receptors. It is known to induce sedation, my theory being that it stimulates the GABA receptors, which are also known for being the main neurotransmitter receptor when benzodiazepine is taken, which would release certain neurotransmitters that induce the sleepiness.

L-Theanine on the opposite hand, is only an amino acid. It is one of the essential amino acids, and is not considered a "supplement" or "drug". Theanine stimulates more than just the GABA receptors, and has an effect on many neurotransmitters; including dopamine, serotonin, and after your brain goes through its 5htp conversion cycle, melatonin.

Valerian root in theory, COULD work, but it produces significantly different effects. Theanine is more calming, by affecting many neurotransmitters; while valerian is more sedative by acting on the GABA receptors.

Sorry for the plentiful technical terms, I tried to make it as simple as I could.

Originally Posted by Nihao

I tried both and as for me Valerian had a "knock out effect" that is better for DILD contrary to L-Theanine ( I took 200mg + 0.7mg Melatonin ) which gently leads you to deeper threshold stage and allows for better conscious control thus is better for WILD. The other positive side of the latter for me is required much lower doze. Nevertheless I know some folks who use succesfully Valerian + Galantamine + Choline.

Aaaa I forgot... I took the same usual doze of Galantamine+Choline+L-Theanine without Melatonin and it was a bit more difficult to WILD. On the other side it was just once and I can't draw any conclusions.

Just keep in mind, different drugs/supplements/hormones/proteins have radically different effects for different people. If Valerian knocks you out, it might make somebody else alert.

Personally, Valerian does not induce any much more sleepiness than 3mg of melatonin does.

Use your judgement about your own tolerance/reactions when tinkering with doses to find the right one.

Originally Posted by moe007

Just keep in mind, different drugs/supplements/hormones/proteins have radically different effects for different people. If Valerian knocks you out, it might make somebody else alert.

Yeah, in principles I agree entirely. Now let's find a folk who couldn't sleep for at least 4h after taking 2g of Valerian

Originally Posted by Nihao

Yeah, in principles I agree entirely. Now let's find a folk who couldn't sleep for at least 4h after taking 2g of Valerian

I would volunteer to try it, as I react very tolerantly to sedatives, but I have no Valerian root currently.. and god knows when Ill remember to buy some.

I tried it a several times. Valerian is very insidious fella. After intake you think that it's too weak - not much drowsiness. Then suddenly you get a blow and wake up next day asking "f..., how it happened?" Obviously it may be nicer to others...

Insomnia after taking galantamine is a problem for me too. What about Benadryl (diphenhydramine)? This is used in non prescription sleeping pills at a dose of 25 mg and is an interesting substance because it has been reported that if you take a large amount (250+ mg), you can go from normal waking consciousness directly into a LD.

It is probably quite toxic at such a high dose, but 25mg is the normal dose for insomnia. Seems like it could work synergistically with galantamine & choline... Anybody tried it?



BTW, the WIKIPEDIA entry for diphenhydramine recently contained the following statement, which has now been deleted/censored:

The mental effects of higher doses (250+ mg) are described by many as "dreaming while awake" involving visual and auditory hallucinations that, unlike those experienced with most psychedelic drugs, often cannot be readily distinguished from reality. People who consume a high recreational dose can possibly find themselves in a hallucination which places them in a familiar situation with people and friends and rooms they know, while in reality being in a totally different setting.

Does anyone know of any place that will ship Galantamine to the UK?

Thanks

I got mine from http://www.dreamamins.com/

Originally Posted by MrT1981

I got mine from http://www.dreamamins.com/

Thanks! Nice one.

Does anyone know the extent to which metabolism affects the Galantamine peak duration, and onset. Furthermore, with regards to the half-life of Galantamine, how much does one's metabolism affect it?

Assumption: I have a high basal metabolic rate.

Originally Posted by ZenVortex

Insomnia after taking galantamine is a problem for me too. What about Benadryl (diphenhydramine)? This is used in non prescription sleeping pills at a dose of 25 mg and is an interesting substance because it has been reported that if you take a large amount (250+ mg), you can go from normal waking consciousness directly into a LD.

It is probably quite toxic at such a high dose, but 25mg is the normal dose for insomnia. Seems like it could work synergistically with galantamine & choline... Anybody tried it?



BTW, the WIKIPEDIA entry for diphenhydramine recently contained the following statement, which has now been deleted/censored:

The mental effects of higher doses (250+ mg) are described by many as "dreaming while awake" involving visual and auditory hallucinations that, unlike those experienced with most psychedelic drugs, often cannot be readily distinguished from reality. People who consume a high recreational dose can possibly find themselves in a hallucination which places them in a familiar situation with people and friends and rooms they know, while in reality being in a totally different setting.

First of all, Diphenhydramine is an anticholinergic drug. It inhibits choline transfer throughout your body. Choline is the precursor to the primary dreaming neurotransmitter, acetylcholine. Hence, dramamine/benedryl/etc will not increase your chance to a lucid dream but infact decrease it.

The wiki quote is regarding an OVERDOSE on an anticholinergic. Yes, an acute overdose will cause intense hallucinations that are indistinguishable from reality. This is extremely dangerous, as not only you become delusional, you also risk liver necrosis; such high doses will have to be metabolized by your liver, which may not enjoy such a task.

I severely advise anybody reading this thread not to take such a high dose as you may end up in the emergency room.

QUESTION: Is anyone doing Yuschak's WILD meditation -- the qigong visualization (moving the dream body away from the physical body) followed by "seeding" -- after taking the supplements? I tried this a few times but fell asleep without WILDing. Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by ZenVortex

QUESTION: Is anyone doing Yuschak's WILD meditation -- the qigong visualization (moving the dream body away from the physical body) followed by "seeding" -- after taking the supplements? I tried this a few times but fell asleep without WILDing. Any suggestions?

I don't follow any particular school of WILDing but for sure supplements make it much much easier. ( One of ) The trick is to to find the way to be conscious after ~1h when the galantamine and others kicks off. Some guys after ingestion stay out of bed for some time (20min to 1h). For me going back to bed directly after wee wee works best. I just lay more then 1h and it seems like 10 min. Seriously I can't comprihend it. The formula that I take ( 4mg galantamine, 200mg choline, 200mg L-Theanine, 0.7mg Melatonin ) keeps me in the state between dream and reality. I mean I can't get asleep but also I am nicely sleepy. After about 1h20min I look at the clock and realise that time is high. From that moment I try to WILD "seriously" and usually it's so easy like moving a finger (in normal state). I kinda go deeper and slow down vibrations (according to esoteric sources it should be actually inversely but that's how I feel it). After a minute or few I detach from my body usually turning and creeping from the bed. Sometimes I hear the strange loud rough sound during a trigger point. Hope that helps.

Anyone tried Yohimbine or Muccana puriens? For dream control and self rememberence in the dream? thomas yusak gives very interesting results from this

Originally Posted by Patjunfa

Anyone tried Yohimbine or Muccana puriens? For dream control and self rememberence in the dream? thomas yusak gives very interesting results from this

I tried some time ago Mucuna Pruriens 200mg (with Gal and chol ) about 3 times with no improvement on dream control and self confidence in LD. I still have it and maybe will check it out next time... BTW I noticed a slightly better vision after adding to my usual Gal+Chol+LThea+Mela formula 200mg B6.

Originally Posted by Patjunfa

Anyone tried Yohimbine or Muccana puriens? For dream control and self rememberence in the dream? thomas yusak gives very interesting results from this

I bought a bottle of Muccana puriens and its finished now, and I still have not finished trying it

I would say it is the most tricky supplement, to get the timing and dose right.

When buying them, go for the lower levodopa percentage, because it has more Muccana puriens in them, and the other substances besides levodopa in Muccana puriens are the stuff that allow smooth conversion from levodopa to dopamine.

Also, it is important to note that on Muccana puriens, your stomach content, and previous day's food intake is a notable factor.

The more vitamin B6 in your system, the more of the Muccana puriens you will convert IN YOUR GUT; which is not the wanted effect. You want the levodopa to reach the blood-brain barrier.

For the past 6 or so months, I have not used Muccana puriens nor have I been recently reading anything regarding them. New stuff may have been discovered, or old stuff refuted. Medicine is very fickle.


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