Fiddler's Green Experimentation Log

[Fiddler's Green]

I thought it might be a good idea to put together a log where I detail my use of supplements and experiences. The supplements in the beginning that I will be using can be found in the Advanced Lucid Dreams book which many of you are familiar with. I plan to experiment with all of the supplements laid out in the book, except for L-Dopa, which seems to be the most dangerous from my perspective. I have only been able to achieve lucidity through the use of WILD techniques and I have never used supplements for the purpose of dream manipulation before. First Log: The substances I used were 4mg of nicotine gum, a b-complex vitamin (which included 50 mg of choline, 110 mg b6, and various other b vitamins), and 1,500mg of L-Tryptophan. I began the night by taking 1,500mg of L-Tryptophan for the purposes of causing REM-rebound. In the future I will be taking 5-HTP instead of the tryptophan (I'm just waiting for it to come in the mail). I woke up after six hours of sleep and took the b-complex and began chewing the nicotine gum. I chose the gum since it absorbs faster than the patch. I used the LudicdRemix track and my normal meditation afterwards. After falling asleep an hour after waking I did not have an LD, but I did have an extremely vivid journey/quest style dream. My dream recall was better than usual as well. I think I failed to attain lucidity due to how groggy the L-Tryptophan made me feel, which made concentration more difficult. Most of my logs will be done on the weekends, since that is when I can spend the most time sleeping. Please feel free to comment and leave any suggestions for supplements you would like to see me test out. -Fiddler's Green

[Fiddler's Green]

September 28th, 2008 Before bedtime I took 200mg of B-6, I wasn't sure if this was the right time to take it or not, but it did produce a very vivid dream at around 5:00 in the morning. I awoke at 5:30 and proceeded to chew a piece of 4mg nicotine gum for half an hour. I had some trouble falling back to sleep, this is probably due to the nicotine increasing my heart rate. I had two dreams after falling back to sleep, both nightmares and I almost never have nightmares. I was not able to wake up within the dream and become lucid though. The nightmares were extremely vivid and the nicotine seemed to increase my recall. I will be trying out galantamine w/choline on Tuesday hopefully. After I attempt using it alone, I may try combining it with nicotine.

[nightflyer]

1,500 mg of L-Tryptophan? Isn't that a little bit much? You may want to ease up on it since if the L-Tryptophan isn't pure then your liver will have to filter all the impure stuff that came with it and thus it may damage your liver. Take it easy. Lucid dream is not worth getting liver damage for it.

[Fiddler's Green]

That's good advice. I don't plan on taking the tryptophan anymore, the dosage per capsule that I have is 500mg. I plan on using 5-htp, if at all.

[Fiddler's Green]

September 30, 2008 I took nothing the night before and woke up at 7:00. I cooked my wife breakfast and took 8mg of galantamine, 450mg of choline, and a b complex vitamin. I went back to bed at 9:00. I had two WILDs successfully, which I was quite shocked by. When I have had WILDs without the supplements it was much harder, although this still required a decent amount of concentration. Also, I was a little surprised that the descriptions of feeling like your entire body was vibrating were quite accurate. Unfortunately, on the first WILD I woke myself up since I heard a noise in my apartment and on the second WILD I had a false awakening and thought I was walking around my house for a while until I woke up. I experienced no side effects.

[Warrior381]

September 30, 2008 I took nothing the night before and woke up at 7:00. I cooked my wife breakfast and took 8mg of galantamine, 450mg of choline, and a b complex vitamin. I went back to bed at 9:00. I had two WILDs successfully, which I was quite shocked by. When I have had WILDs without the supplements it was much harder, although this still required a decent amount of concentration. Also, I was a little surprised that the descriptions of feeling like your entire body was vibrating were quite accurate. Unfortunately, on the first WILD I woke myself up since I heard a noise in my apartment and on the second WILD I had a false awakening and thought I was walking around my house for a while until I woke up. I experienced no side effects. I have a question for you...how do you have this sleep paralysis?? what vitiaman do you take for it..I have lucid dreaming before but it mostly a nighmare because I have 4 mg galantamine and 200mg Choline it was made from the company call Advanced lucid Nutrition...I order the bottle for it and I have nightmares with it 3 or 4 different dream and can't wake up from it... my goal is this Sleep Paraylsis...so what do you take for that..write back

[Fiddler's Green]

I have a question for you...how do you have this sleep paralysis?? what vitiaman do you take for it..I have lucid dreaming before but it mostly a nighmare because I have 4 mg galantamine and 200mg Choline it was made from the company call Advanced lucid Nutrition...I order the bottle for it and I have nightmares with it 3 or 4 different dream and can't wake up from it... my goal is this Sleep Paraylsis...so what do you take for that..write back I didn't notice any sleep paralysis this time, although on other occasions without supplements I have noticed it. Sleep paralysis is when you cannot move your body, but your mind is awake and is aware that it cannot move your body at that moment. I don't think what you had last time was a full lucid dream since you described it as just a nightmare, if you were lucid you should have been able to change the dream somewhat. Sleep paralysis really isn't the goal when taking supplements, in fact sleep paralysis is not what I would consider to be a pleasurable experience. It's sometimes quite uncomfortable. The goal is to become aware within the dream (lucid) so that one can direct it or at least be an active participant. I suspect your nightmares had more to do with your state of mind at the time, rather than the galantamine. Perhaps you should try a higher dosage, such as 8mg?

[Warrior381]

you mean galantamine 8 mg with the choline 500mg...so I try that someday but thank you for your informtion.

[Thor]

Sleep paralysis really isn't the goal when taking supplements, in fact sleep paralysis is not what I would consider to be a pleasurable experience. It's sometimes quite uncomfortable. Bingo! Everyone: print that out, frame it, and hang it on your wall. Most people here on Dream Views seem to be totally obsessed with this "sleep paralysis" BS. The fact is that sleep paralysis is neither necessary nor sufficient for WILDing. It's a red herring and it completely derails people's efforts to have lucid dreams. I have WILDed several times with supplements, and I've never experienced any kind of sleep paralysis, and I often don't get any hypnagogic hallucinations either.

[Fiddler's Green]

Bingo! Everyone: print that out, frame it, and hang it on your wall. Most people here on Dream Views seem to be totally obsessed with this "sleep paralysis" BS. Thank you for the compliment. Having newly arrived to the forum, I had also wondered what this obsession was with sleep paralysis. The fact is that sleep paralysis is neither necessary nor sufficient for WILDing. It's a red herring and it completely derails people's efforts to have lucid dreams. I have WILDed several times with supplements, and I've never experienced any kind of sleep paralysis, and I often don't get any hypnagogic hallucinations either. I just had a WILD early this morning with the use of supplements which I will describe momentarily and I did not experience sleep paralysis. In fact if the dreamer focuses more on the mental exercises and doesn't attempt to move, they should never notice sleep paralysis, accept maybe when they wake up, but this is rare. Focusing on trying to achieve sleep paralysis can cause a dreamer to loss concentration and have a failed attempt.

[Fiddler's Green]

October 4th, 2008 This morning I woke up at 5:30, having slept for five and half hours. I took 8mg of galantamine, 450mg of choline, 1mg of yohimbe, 300mg of l-theanine, and a b-complex vitamin. When I took the yohimbe, which was taken for the purpose of control and being able to recall waking memory while lucid, I took it about 20 minutes after taking the other supplements since it absorbs faster than the others supposedly. I fell asleep at roughly 6:30 and I had another successful lucid dream. With the yohimbe I was able to remember more easily that I was dreaming during the long dream. The dream lasted for roughly an hour and a half, but I was lucid for probably half the time, and towards the end I lost most of my control and awareness. Tomorrow I may attempt the l-glutamine, l-theanine, amino stack, but with the added additions of EEGC and yohimbe. Most people seem to have trouble consistently attaining lucidity with the amino blend, perhaps with the addition of EEGC and yohimbe this blend might work better.

[nightflyer]

Thank you for the compliment. Having newly arrived to the forum, I had also wondered what this obsession was with sleep paralysis. I just had a WILD early this morning with the use of supplements which I will describe momentarily and I did not experience sleep paralysis. In fact if the dreamer focuses more on the mental exercises and doesn't attempt to move, they should never notice sleep paralysis, accept maybe when they wake up, but this is rare. Focusing on trying to achieve sleep paralysis can cause a dreamer to loss concentration and have a failed attempt. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____________________________________________ I have experienced different occasions of sleep paralysis and a good explanation that I could get are from my research of Astral Projection (AP) and Out-of-body-experience (OOBE). What happens is that before you go into REM sleep and have dreams. Your Astral body have to seperate from your physical body and float up about 2-3 inches...it could be more depends on other stuff...but anyway, sleep paralysis can occur during the beginning, the middle, or the end of this phrase of seperation. What happens is that your mind become awake while your Astral body is going through this seperation so that you can't move your physical body...thus you have sleep paralysis. And your mind became awake can be from just accident or it could be trying to practice to induce a lucid dream. Anyway, if you happen to be awaken during the beginning phrase of the seperation then you will experience many loud noises couple with vibration and even feel yourself going through some sort of tunnel like area. I believe the people who experience this call it OOBE. If you happen be awake after the seperation then you will be either in a dream or at the beginning of a dream. Thus you will see hypnagogis (spell?) images or already be in a dream and became lucid. That's us here :-)...we called it Lucid dream. Last but not least if you happen to be awaken near the end when you Astral body is about to return to your physical body...but not quite...then you will also have sleep paralysis. But you won't have any tunnel or vibration experience. So people was able to get lucid from this phrase and I believe that they call it Astral Projection because they were able to move their Astral body AFTER it has return to their physical body. They just get up again and go. And of course they don't have any tunnel or dramatic vibration experience so they just call it Astral Projection. For me I was able to prove this theory because I became awake during these different phrases of seperation and was able to look back at my physical body after my Astral body seperated. I'm sorry I don't have time to edit my writting but just wanted to get the infomation. Feels free to ask any questions or clarification. Nightflyer

[Fiddler's Green]

October 7, 2008 I skipped out on work a little early today and went home to take a nap for an hour or two since I was tired. This time I tried only 4mg of galantamine, 500mg of choline, .75 mg of yohimbe, a b-complex vitamin, 200mg of L-theanine and a piece of 4mg nicotine gum. Unlike the last time times I was not successful and did not have a lucid dream. I'm not sure if this was due to the lowered dosage of galantamine or that I slept during the middle of the day. I will try this combo again, but I will up the dosage of galantamine back to 8mg. I am interested to see how this turns out since I haven't had a lucid while using the nicotine and yohimbe together.