200 mg of choline isnt enough i would go with at least 400 mg of choline |
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Although I posted similar message as an answer I am curious if anybody has tried this combo before. |
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200 mg of choline isnt enough i would go with at least 400 mg of choline |
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Where do you get Galantamine? Isn't it really expensive? |
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http://www.dreamamins.com/?gclid=CN2...FQOaFQodo1W8Cw |
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Perhaps you meant 400mg of choline at the end |
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I bought Choline, Melatonin, and Theanine at the Vitamine Shoppe yesterday. I'm waiting for the Galantamine to come in the mail. I'll let you know how it works when I try it |
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If you are new at using supplements - the first time try to take only G+Ch after 4-5h of sleep (I recommend reading post that I mentioned earlier). Just to check if you can do without M+LTh. If you can't get asleep easily next time (after 2 days) take it at the same time with M+LTh before bed. |
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I'm thinking take the melatonin before bed. Then taking L-theanine, choline, and galantamine at the 4-5 hr mark. L-theanine will help you fall asleep faster. |
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LD's: ~35++
WILD's: 5
Well, I took L-Theanine later as mentioned with addition of Alpha GPC later. |
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Thanks. That seems to be one of the better combinations for me. L-theanine is wonderful even for just relaxation. |
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LD's: ~35++
WILD's: 5
Could you write more details about how this coctail affect your LD techniques and what you experience after intake. I'd like to compare with myself and maybe find some space for improvement. The main problem I have now is blurry, dark LD's and not much control. I am not very much experienced though - had 3 LD's so far. Maybe I need some more practice. Do you have similar issues? |
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Hey guys, I posted a supplement combination in my last post with the experience that followed. I do intend dropping the Galantamine down from 12mg to 8mg as I didn't sleep for around 1:50mins after I took the supplements but I list it all in the post. I usually combine with 2000mg (1 tablet) of Valerian which is a natural root extract to help me get to sleep but I think I just used more Galantamine than necessary this time. The dose of Choline is probably on the high side too... I'm definitely going to get my hands on this L-theanine too... |
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Last edited by Ajna; 01-05-2009 at 07:48 AM.
I've read your fabulous post ( with your experience you can set up your Dream Journal here ). Man, it looks like you ate a dinner at night! I assume you did no need any breakfast today. But seriously... |
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LD's: ~35++
WILD's: 5
Firstly saying "dark" I meant the light, colours not the atmosphere. I am not afraid just insanely curious. For a long long time I had no nightmares in my ND's nor in LD's and hopefully will not |
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Last edited by Nihao; 01-05-2009 at 09:37 PM.
As with what Wattage said, I don't really think taking supplements is for beginners. You don't need them to achieve LD's and its best to begin using the natural techniques. I may have given you the impression that taking supplements is the only way to have LD's as long as 1.5hrs but I've had a 2hr one in the past without using supplements (although I did have a crystal layout on me) and a few other longish 1hr - 1.5hr ones too. This was actually my first long LD using supplements. |
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Last edited by Ajna; 01-06-2009 at 10:02 AM.
Ajna, |
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That is strange, I would have thought it the other way around. No REM until the 5th hour is definitely not a natural sleep cycle, that is classic REM rebound. What is this REM Dreamer thing you mentioned? |
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Last edited by Ajna; 01-08-2009 at 04:30 AM.
Wow! I had LD/OOBE last night! |
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Thats great stuff Nihao! I think if you wouldn't sleep for 2.5hrs you should try dropping the Galantamine to 4mg since that worked for you last time and maybe drop the GPC for the moment, I think for balancing supplements less is always more if you know what I mean . Definitely don't increase the amount of melatonin, but whatever works I guess too... |
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I am trying different propotions to see which option works the best. Any success back then was due to Alpha GPC that peaks later, after 3h. I take it in order to extend the time of possibility of getting Lucid. |
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Last edited by Nihao; 01-10-2009 at 05:09 PM.
I use Valerian just as a relaxer to help me sleep, especially when my circadian rhythms are out or if I've taken AcH agonisers like Galantamine. I don't think it will cause any REM rebound or any other advantages for LD'ing other than help you to refine your sleep wake cycle, it has no effect on neurotransmitters. I'll have to have a look at the concentration of the Valerian I use though because I think it might be stronger than yours, and each tablet has 2000mg of the stuff :-) |
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Last edited by Ajna; 01-11-2009 at 04:20 AM. Reason: spelling
2nd attempt with Valerian 1500mg ended with same result - I fell asleep. Very strange as for me. My impression is that Melatonin + L-Theanine works better - deeper but I can't have a full certainty after just 2 attempts and wait for your experience with the latter. |
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I suggest you try taking less Valerian if you are falling asleep, try 500mg. |
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