Thread: REM DReamer works! Sort Of...

Gameover,

I ordered it and paid with PayPal on August 12 - and got the usual confirmation/receipt etc.

I got an email from someone called PawelH (the owner presumeably) on the 18th saying that the REM DReamer Pro had shipped - I think I got it about 5 days later.

I was surprised how quick it was as I had seen various posts about the process taking a long time. I thought the process was very quick and efficient.

The unit works fine and I now have the "right" settings for me.

I must say that I have not had a full lucid induced directly by the device. This is probably not the fault of the device. I can get lucid without any device at the weekend when I can get a decent 8 hours or more sleep. I bought the device specifically for during the work week when I only get 5-6 hours - I never get lucid during the work week.

Interestingly this morning I had a false awakening that was directly due to the REM Dreamer. I was dreaming that I was dozing in bed and had taken the REM Dreamer OFF. I was woken by the flashing cues and felt my wife pressing the unit against my face. I said "what are you doing?" - she laughed and said "I think the flashing lights are funny". I said "go away and leave me alone - you have to get ready for work". She walked into our bathroom and I rolled over and went back to sleep. Then the cues flashed AGAIN - and I woke up (for real) - it was still dark and I was wearing the REM DReamer. I realized the first awakening was false - my wife doesnt even know how to work the unit - let alone press it to my face and make it cue.

I have had many many dreams where the cues must have been assimilated into my dream. My dream diary is full "sudden blinding flashes" - often in my dream I sheild my eyes and carry one with the dream without realizing what the flashes were - still early days.

When the cues go off and wake me I am training myself by saying over and over "When ever I see these flashing red lights I will know I am dreaming and become lucid. Like I said - early days.

So it works- and shows much promise - but Im still at the phase of trying to recognise the cues while dreaming.

I had an excellent lucid on FRiday night - The cues woke me - so obviously I was in a REM cycle. I then went straight into a DEILD or mini WILD - I just lay still and held onto my conciousness and went immediately into a full lucid where I found my self flying over a monochromatic dessert at night.

So it helps me get lucid even indirectly - I have now dreamt of the unit several times and had some false awakenings.

I will try the TWC feature next. I must admit I did not read the full instructions and I thought this feature was the one that plays WAV files if you are linked up to a PC with headphones - which I dont bother with. Therefore a big thanks to you! Now I actually know what the TWC feature is it looks like it will be a big help. Especially mid week when the unit only generates 10 or 12 series of cues due to the shorter REM time I have available.

Will set it up now and try it this week.

Right after reading your post I got an email saying it was shipped. Hopefully it's here for the weekend. I think their reputation for slow delivery was from before. Their website used to seem shady and they were hard to reach. Seems they've improved their product and customer service.

The TWC feature is one of the main reasons I got it so please let me know if you have any success with it. Of course it's just an aid and a busy schedule can always derail lucid dreaming plans. Good luck.

hi,


how is the progress now?

r u guys still getting ld ?

thanks

mike

Originally Posted by nechong

hi,


how is the progress now?

r u guys still getting ld ?

thanks

mike

Mike/Nechong,

the posts above are only a few days old. I doubt Gameover has received his yet.

I have tried the TWC feature the last 2 nights. Monday I tried it on the "high" setting and it woke me up during a REM cycle. Last night was the same with medium.

I am also experimenting with my supplement regime. I used to take melotonine or 5htp or Tryphopan before bed to try and get some REM rebound before I have to get up up 4:30. I decided this might be conter productive and now im using just some calea extract. This also means I need to play with the delay time on the REM dreamer to see if I can catch some ealier REM cycles.

Still playing with it basically. Tonight I will try again on medium - but iake my favorite dream boosting supplement A-Acetyl L-Tyrosine

I would recommend getting one. I did get your pm btw. I have used it successfully - in as much that it can wake me at the start of a REM cycle and I can then DEILD. It has boosted the frequency of my LD's.

I hope at some point to get the settings, supplements and my own training to the point where I can LD many times midweek instead of just weekends.

It still hasn't arrived here. I'm hoping by Friday it will, but you never know with these things.

Evildoctor: I didn't realize there were different settings for the TWC feature. I thought it just increases in brightness until you become lucid or wake up. How does that affect the brightness pattern? Or am I not understanding something? Also are you getting used to sleeping with it? Either way I should find this all out myself soon enough. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.

Originally Posted by gameover

It still hasn't arrived here. I'm hoping by Friday it will, but you never know with these things.

Evildoctor: I didn't realize there were different settings for the TWC feature. I thought it just increases in brightness until you become lucid or wake up. How does that affect the brightness pattern? Or am I not understanding something? Also are you getting used to sleeping with it? Either way I should find this all out myself soon enough. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.

TWC has four settings including OFF:

The low setting runs a short series of cues - and repeats these a number of times with increasing intensity/brightness.

The high setting runs more agressivley in terms of increasing brightness and number of flashes - and starts making beeps also after the second series - so you get increasing noise and light intensity.

Medium is inbetween (as you can guess) - the last 2 series of cues include beeping.

When I tried the high setting Monday night it was the beeping that woke me up.


As to comfort - I now sleep with it all night. At first I struggled with it being too tight. This is annoyingly necessary!! If its too loose then it just falls off in the night or you wake up with it up on your forehead or something dumb.

I found that it always stays on if you put the velcro on the tightest setting and run the strap OVER your ears and around the top of your neck - this creates a kind of diagonal tension that keeps it pinned on your face no matter what.


The first week I found it would get real irritating in the early hours and sometimes I took it off. Its amazing how quickly the human body and mind adapt and now I sleep with it on all night and actually find it quite comfortable. Just persevere and I promise you will get used to it and even comfortable with it.

The foam padding is pretty good also.

Here is a tip also :

USE THE DREAM PRO SOFTWARE TO SET THE DEVICE UP AND ALTER THE SETTINGS!!! THEN TURN THE DEVICE OFF WITH THE SOFTWARE ALSO AND PUT THE UNIT BY YOUR BED FOR WHEN YOU NEED IT LATER. NEVER SET THE DELAY TIME WITH THE SOFTWARE!!!!!

I found it best to turn the dials to 9:1 at bed time (having set up everything else with the software during the day/evening) and press the RC button to turn the device on. Then turn the dials to 0:0. Then put it on, turn out the lights, lie down and then press the RC button one time for each ten minutes of delay you want (eg 12 times for 2 hours). If you are doing WBTB then of course dont put the mask on when you first go to sleep - only turn it on at WBTB and set the delay to 30-40 minutes (3-4) presses - this works great.

I just found delay setting really hit an miss with the software - but the software is great for all else.

Its also important to know how to set delay manually. If you want to try for a second lucid for example then its way easier to have the device on 0:0 and just press the RC button a few times before rolling over and going back to sleep.

Hope that all helps

I did not order the Pro version so Ill be doing it all manually. I'm sure Ill get used to it on my face. I'm already learning how to sleep on my back in preparation. I appreciate all your tips for the settings. It sounds like a bit of a process working that all out. I'm glad there are settings for the TWC feature. Customization seems key for all of this. In the meantime Id better keep looking for light cues and try and stay aware. I just read the VILD tutorial and Id like to explore that. Thanks again and keep posting your successes and failures.