Thread: Voice heard when lucid dreaming

Originally posted by dreamtraveller
Hi,

Yesterday and today I experienced some lucid dreams with the associated sleep paralysis. One lucid dream was directly from the waking state, and the other was from the regular dream state.

The one from the waking state startled me because of this void I heard when it began. The sleep paralysis occured and I did my best to prolong it to enter a lucid dream. For a fraction of a second I saw a flash of imagery, but then it all went away and I saw only blackness. A second later I heard a man's voice, perfectly clear as if heard with my real ears, speak into my left ear,

\"Hi marc, how is it?\"

The voice really really startled me and so I broke the sleep paralysis and lucid dream state, which took a few seconds to accomplish.

Now, the voice didn't sound threatening, it was said rather matter of factly but as if the person knew me, but I didn't recognize the voice at all. It also seemed very personal too. I suppose I was just scared because I didn't expect it and no friendly voice has ever spoken to me with these experiences, they've always been on the dark side when heard. I'm hoping that I'll begin to hear kind voices now, but it was just so shocking.

Again, it was perfectly audible as if spoken into my real left ear, although I know that I was deep in the sleep paralysis and lucid dream state.

The experiences I have directly from the waking state are always the more real, compared to when recognizing I am dreaming in a dream.

I'd like to know if anyone has had similar experiences, and if so, just what you have done, has happened with them after?

Thanks!

Yes, when one is on that borderline between Waking and Sleeping, one is open to the Astral Plane. That is why the Out of Body People always use this time to do their Astral Projecting, because they can hop directly out into the Astral Plane that corresponds to this Physical World. But, regarding your experience, during this hypnogogic phase between waking and sleeping, we are exposed to Astral Spiritual Entities. If you are going to get messages from Guardian Angels or Spiritual Guides, then this is usually the when and the where that you will receive such communications.

Now, the one concern is that this is a relatively low Astral Plane that is accessable to both good and evil entities. So some care should be taken that your house, room or apartments are Spiritually Protected. I've met some people who insist upon the Protection by the Evocation of the White Light. If you can summon the White Light I have no doubt that it would be efficacious. But that is a big 'if'. So, do indeed evoke the White Light, but while you are doing that, I would hang Crucifixes on every entrance to the house, on the bedroom wall, and keep statues and pictures and images of the Blessed Virgin, Michael the Archangel, or Saints and Gurus that you trust to be on the High Side of Spirituality. Scatter Holy Water and Holy Salt throughout the house. Cross yourself before going to sleep or meditating or whatever. Place yourself under the protection of the Higher Powers and Principalities of Heaven.

If you can be sure you are protected, then it is likely that Evil Spirits will not be screwing with you while you are laying vulnerable between worlds, as you are in this hypnogic state.

Your first paragraph was sort of uplifting, but the second one is scary.

I've been out of my body at least twice, and there was one time when I visted all these places that people have told me since were astral planes.

What bothers me about some aspects of the sleep paralysis and dream state from that is that often times, at least initially, the experiences can turn negative. To not allow myself to see negative imagery, I always have my eyes shut, but there isn't anything I can do to stop the sounds and voices other than breaking the state and waking.

I've never once heard a good voice, but have heard many bad ones. People talking close to my head to others asking if they can kill me was one of the freakiest, as well as hearing people and babies crying out all around me and at close and far distances.

It's for the above reason that I got freaked out after hearing the voice, even though it wasn't like the others. It still gave me a feeling of great nervousness. It's not as if the voice sounded evil, but it could have been borderline or someone that just didn't care and was greeting me. Sort of like saying high to someone you but don't get along with.

Even my lucid dream, which I posted above in another thread, had negative imagery such as my looking to have been beaten up, so I don't quite understand this.

There was a long period of time when I became perfectly comfortable with sleep paralysis and had in all the time, many times a week or in a single night. I found the state relaxing and could be fully conscious in it for long periods of time, even listening to the radio at one point. But at those times I would just feel the vibrations, and waves of energy through my body, which felt great!, and the only sounds I heard were like a whooshing wave sound of crickets and water. Then I started hearing voices when I would go into the state and so stopped entering it. It's only recently that I again wanted to experience it, and then it happened to me without my even trying. Simply the will to want to have it had me have it, and that is another topic all unto itself -- how can one experience sleep paralysis simpling by desiring to?

I'm not religious, just spiritual, so I'm not sure if hanging crosses, using salt and everything would be practical. I believe in goodness though, and always ask it to protect and guide me. I know it works for I feel the benefits, and it's geniuine on my part, which is crucial.

I'll look up that white light thing, but what else can I do and how do I deal with these voices? The words they say were disturbing in the past and I don't want to hear them again, so what options do I have?

Thanks

Originally posted by dreamtraveller


I'm not religious, just spiritual, so I'm not sure if hanging crosses, using salt and everything would be practical. I believe in goodness though, and always ask it to protect and guide me. I know it works for I feel the benefits, and it's geniuine on my part, which is crucial.

I'll look up that white light thing, but what else can I do and how do I deal with these voices? The words they say were disturbing in the past and I don't want to hear them again, so what options do I have?

Thanks

Here is an essay on the White Light:

http://deoxy.org/annex/cwl.htm

This is a broader essay which you can use the 'find' function in regards to White Light:

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kun...i.htm#_VPID_133


But regarding using Religious Symbols for Protection, it really is not important whether or not you believe in them or have Faith. Now, let me say something about FAITH. Surprisingly, 'faith' is a demonic concept. When you look at how the concept of 'faith' works, it is mostly involved in the NEGATIVE, that is, to explain why things DON'T work, that is, because people did not have enough 'faith'. Quasi-Spiritual fakes and phonies through around the word FAITH so that they have an excuse to use when nothing happens through their techniques -- "Well, it only works if you have 'faith'. Well, regarding anything TRUE, that is simply not the case. When you are working with anything REAL, 'faith' is simply not necessary. When working with anything TRUE, if you simply go through the correct motions, then it will certainly work. Faith or not, a good religious symbol, image or amulet designed to render Spiritual Protection will do its job. That is how we know they came to be regarded as effective, because they consistently do the job, even during moments of anxiety and doubt, in the middle of the night when who in their right minds would expect us to have any 'faith'. Indeed, anybody who asks you to have faith is simply setting you up with a pre-arranged excuse for failure.

If you are Spiritual, then you should realize that there are Spirits. Now, would you not suppose that Spirits would set up certain Things to have special sympathetic powers. If you believe in Spirits, then why not allow them to help you. You say you are spiritual, but you would reject the Help of the Queen of Heaven. Why in Heaven and Earth would you do that? Because your atheist friends might laugh at you for agreeing with the Catholics on anything... even on one of the rare occasions when the Catholics may be right about something. People would rather sustain their bigotry against Catholics -- the last Minority of which it is politically correct to openly attack, then to use Spiritual Common Sense in deciding that it only make Metaphysical, Mythological and Spiritual Sense for there to be a Goddess Queen of Heaven, Patroness of Civilization, and Protector of the Good. But people would rather go it alone then to be a brother or a sister to a Catholic who already sees this Truth and practices it.

If you are spiritual, then you should study Spirituality and find that there is a huge history of Saints. See what they used for Protection. You will find that I am giving you tried and true information... not only from the Catholic Perspective, but also from all of the Higher Religions of the World (Zoroastrianism, The Religious Traditions from the Indus Valley including Yoga and Buddhism, and such. I would not include Christian Protestism which is quite out of step, morally, with any of the Higher Religions. Christians don't seem to understand that Sins cannot be forgiven without condoning Evil, and THAT cannot possibly be the goal of Religion, but rather the Victory for Satan who would have the most to gain from the Forgiveness of Sins, no?)

Anyway, go to a Catholic Bookstore and get yourself an inexpensive Saint Benedict Medal... or even a few of them. Some Crucifixs. Some cheaps statues of Our Lady which make very becoming and charming items to have around the house. Then you will find that you will no longer have problems with your household demons. They simply cannot co-exist within the same Sympathetic Vibrations as these Religious Images which act as channels and gateways to their Primaries in Heaven and the Spiritual Realms.

Do you want an atheist view? In the hypnagogic state, you hallucinate your ass off. Hallucinations can be really freaky, considering the fact that when you perceive them they seem real and you are spooked out by the idea that they are malicious entities. It is like walking past strangers in a dark alley at night. You don't trust what they are about. If you remind yourself that dream/hypnagogic characters are not real, they are not as scary. Then again, I had a lucid this morning where I believed that I was battling the antichrist, so it is hard in that state to see your hallucinations as not real.

Originally posted by Universal Mind
Do you want an atheist view? *In the hypnagogic state, you hallucinate your ass off. *Hallucinations can be really freaky, considering the fact that when you perceive them they seem real and you are spooked out by the idea that they are malicious entities. *It is like walking past strangers in a dark alley at night. *You don't trust what they are about. *If you remind yourself that dream/hypnagogic characters are not real, they are not as scary. *Then again, I had a lucid this morning where I believed that I was battling the antichrist, so it is hard in that state to see your hallucinations as not real.

I used to be an atheist, but not really anymore. I go through phases of beliefs, but for quite a while now I believe there is more to this world than just the reality we think. It has a lot to do with my having experienced some freaky stuff that led me to accept that I have no way of knowing what is actually out there. So when I hear a guy talking, clear as day, into my ear it tends to freak me out because it has me start to think it has to be something real since it was sooooooooo real.

I don't see how anyone could be an atheist by definition if they experienced all of what I have. Perhaps agnostic, but not atheist.

Originally posted by Universal Mind
Do you want an atheist view? *In the hypnagogic state, you hallucinate your ass off. *Hallucinations can be really freaky, considering the fact that when you perceive them they seem real and you are spooked out by the idea that they are malicious entities. *It is like walking past strangers in a dark alley at night. *You don't trust what they are about. *If you remind yourself that dream/hypnagogic characters are not real, they are not as scary. *Then again, I had a lucid this morning where I believed that I was battling the antichrist, so it is hard in that state to see your hallucinations as not real.

Oh, great! How Life Affirming. The Atheist tells us that ultimately our dreams and subjective life are meaningless, except in regards to how it all might freak us out. We all just lucky I suppose that the Atheist view doesn't hold up to experience.

We simply find too much structure in people's subjective content to suppose it all as completely arbitrary as the material view would assume. All the Limitations and Restrictions that the Spiritual World tosses up, as frustrating and counter-indicative as they might seem on the surface, are the very Proofs that Spirituality is Real. We know a Wall is real when we bump up against it.

Originally posted by dreamtraveller



I don't see how anyone could be an atheist by definition if they experienced all of what I have. Perhaps agnostic, but not atheist.

If you think there is just one Provinential Spirit that exists outside of the Physical World, then you cannot be an Atheist, or even an agnostic. So, as soon as you might think that your Subjective Reality has any element of actuality or collective conformity in it -- that the Wise Old Man Archetype is speaking from a Collective Consciousness that goes beyond the personal imagination, THEN just THAT is enough to qualify as GOD. As soon as the Human Being is no longer isolated in a morbid materialism, and as soon as the point is conceded that there IS a spiritual realm, even if it is only a Subjective Consciousness informed from some Collective Unity in the Life Force, then what we have is an Effective and De Facto Divinity.

Indeed, it seems silly for anybody who takes Dreaming seriously to any longer claim to be an atheist. if dreams mean nothing, then why not just stick to On Line Porno and Video games?

Originally posted by Leo Volont


If you think there is just one Provinential Spirit that exists outside of the Physical World, then you cannot be an Atheist, or even an agnostic. *So, as soon as you might think that your Subjective Reality has any element of actuality or collective conformity in it -- that the Wise Old Man Archetype is speaking from a Collective Consciousness that goes beyond the personal imagination, THEN just THAT is enough to qualify as GOD. *As soon as the Human Being is no longer isolated in a morbid materialism, and as soon as the point is conceded that there IS a spiritual realm, even if it is only a Subjective Consciousness informed from some Collective Unity in the Life Force, then what we have is an Effective and De Facto Divinity.

Indeed, it seems silly for anybody who takes Dreaming seriously to any longer claim to be an atheist. *if dreams mean nothing, then why not just stick to On Line Porno and Video games?

Sir, you've made me think, which is much appreciated. We'll see what my truth beliefs are after this night and the next, for it is then that my true nature will manifest in the night. We'll see, and I'm quite curious myself. lol.

Thanks.

Originally posted by dreamtraveller


Sir, you've made me think, which is much appreciated. We'll see what my truth beliefs are after this night and the next, for it is then that my true nature will manifest in the night. We'll see, and I'm quite curious myself. lol.

Thanks.

Good! That is what a lot of people do not understand about what I am saying... the part where they need to think about it for a while before they can understand it. What I have to offer I hold out right in front of you all, but still it takes just a bit of a reach in order to grasp it.

Originally posted by Universal Mind
Do you want an atheist view? *In the hypnagogic state, you hallucinate your ass off. *Hallucinations can be really freaky, considering the fact that when you perceive them they seem real and you are spooked out by the idea that they are malicious entities. *It is like walking past strangers in a dark alley at night. *You don't trust what they are about. *If you remind yourself that dream/hypnagogic characters are not real, they are not as scary. *Then again, I had a lucid this morning where I believed that I was battling the antichrist, so it is hard in that state to see your hallucinations as not real.

yeah its all in your head. if you think otherwise, your no better off than morons who think an acid trip is actually seeing hell demons instead of hallucinations. yes some people actually think that.

Auditory hallucinations, common when you are trying to fall asleep. I used to hear them as a kid and get scared, but now I use them to judge how far along I am during WILDing. So when the synapses in your auditory region fire, your brain interprets them in a way that you tend to understand. Several drugs also cause auditory hallucinations.

Leo, i think you're a bit out there, but i can see where you are coming from. What you need to realize is everything that occurs from our LD's is not spiritual in nature as much as you or I would love to believe it. It can lead to spiritual realizations, but lets be real. Anything while dreaming is coming from out own minds, that's why they're so special. I've talked to deceased close relatives in LDs before only to analyze and realize what i heard was just my brain having fun with myself. Use it for what it is, don't lead people to believe things that aren't.

What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about your senses, what you feel, taste, smell, or see, then all you're talking about are electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

close enough, morpheous. 8)

i think what is officially "real", could perhaps be things that are bound by the laws of physics...?

Originally posted by jay dawg



yeah its all in your head. if you think otherwise, your no better off than morons who think an acid trip is actually seeing hell demons instead of hallucinations. yes some people actually think that.

Jay, will think about what you are saying!

Now, I go way back to the sixties myself. I partied with Timothy Leery and Ramm Das aka Richard Alpert, the pioneers of Psychodelics. And guess what. People who did acid trips and saw demons, for all practical purposes those demons were real. Why do I say that? Because these people were screwed up in the head. They had REAL problems. Well adjusted happy people who are at peace with themselves and others don't have 'bum trips' with demons.

Anyway, if subjective experience is so unsubstantial, then why is it that mentally ill people, or any troubled person, can't simply imagine themselves a new Mental Outlook. Why can't people with Demons haunting them simply change their mind about it and see Angels instead. Why not? Because at a certain level those Demons are REAL.

Please, Jay, it only takes a minute to think.

To tell ya the truth, I don't believe in demons for the simple fact that I have never seen/experianced one, nor is there any evidance at all aside from drawings and people saying they seen them.

Crazy people can't create themselves new imagry because they are too conivinced that what they see is real.

Thats like looking at your computer, and evnisioning it as a couch, its just not gonna happen, because you know its really a computer.

leo, are we talking about the same demons here? hell spawns or demons haunting a persons mind. like someone battleing their own demons or whatever. what proof do you have that seeing demons, while on a bad trip, is anything more than just that, a trip? come on dude i know i come off as a burn out but im actually not one...

Originally posted by Blizzz
Anything while dreaming is coming from out own minds, that's why they're so special. *

If it was just empty imagination, then it would not be so special, would it. What makes it 'special' is that there is some kind of Truth in our onw Subjective Experience. The Truth in Subjective Experience IS what the spiritual person sees as Spiritual.

YOUR problem is that your subjective experience is not to the point where you can understand it in terms of Spirituality. You can push a broken airplane around in the taxi-ways, but the thing is supposed to FLY. You can stay in lower level astral dreams, but you are supposed to FLY.

Originally posted by jay dawg
leo, are we talking about the same demons here? hell spawns or demons haunting a persons mind. like someone battleing their own demons or whatever. what proof do you have that seeing demons, while on a bad trip, is anything more than just that, a trip? *come on dude i know i come off as a burn out but im actually not one...

Jay, think think think think think... and read.

As I said, only a certain type of person has Trips involving Demons.

These things are not arbitrary.

You have to be intelligent enough to see patterns where they exist.

Do you? Have you ever seen a pattern?

Or when you look out of your eyes, is everything just a huge meaningless blur.

I guess it is just something for you to be able to find your way home at night. I suppose you must let out a string or something.

Originally posted by Kastro187420
To tell ya the truth, I don't believe in demons for the simple fact that I have never seen/experianced one, nor is there any evidance at all aside from drawings and people saying they seen them.

Well, good bless your little heart and I hope it stays that way.... about not ever having had any personal experience of the demonic.

But there is plenty of evidence.

Awhile back there was an exorcism. the subject, a girl who weighed roughly a hundred pounds, was spueing out a couple hundred pounds of excrement a day during her exorcism. Supernatural poop.

A priest was sent to the hospital after the demon became aware of a letter opener and sent it flying around the room.

You know, a lot of times people who talk about 'proof' entirely disregard what we would consider 'legal' proof -- eyewitness accounts and such. To shield yourselves from the Truth you only allow to be proven what comes out of peer review scientific studies. You are all like George W. Bush who claims there is no Global Warming because it has not been proven. It is the Perversion of Science. Empirical Evidence of the Senses is being rejected, in order to adhere to some Atheist Dogma, while claiming as their only justification that Science has been able to consistently dodge the issue. What science has closed its eyes and ears to... what science has refused to prove... doesn't exist.

Roger Bacon would roll in his grave.

Originally posted by grovel
Auditory hallucinations, common when you are trying to fall asleep. I used to hear them as a kid and get scared, but now I use them to judge how far along I am during WILDing. *So when the synapses in your auditory region fire, your brain interprets them in a way that you tend to understand. *Several drugs also cause auditory hallucinations.

that is just psuedo scientific mumbo jumbo. Why? Because Science is about quantification and can make no distinctions regarding Quality. What you have recited is how Science describes any dream. Science is not equipped to understand the MEANING of a dream because MEANING can't be measured. They can only read the electrodes and the brain scanners. And so their explanations are about electrodes and brain scans.

But if you experience Meaning and Quality, then you are one awfully silly goose to be talking as though you are experiencing electrodes and brain scans. You've been brainwashed, or you are trying to sound like some stupid bean-counters textbook.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Oh, great! *How Life Affirming. *The Atheist tells us that ultimately our dreams and subjective life are meaningless, except in regards to how it all might freak us out. * We all just lucky I suppose that the Atheist view doesn't hold up to experience. *

We simply find too much structure in people's subjective content to suppose it all as completely arbitrary as the material view would assume. *All the Limitations and Restrictions that the Spiritual World tosses up, as frustrating and counter-indicative as they might seem on the surface, are the very Proofs that Spirituality is Real. *We know a Wall is real when we bump up against it.

No, the universe is just meaningless. No exceptions. However, things mean stuff to us, but that meaning is an illusion. Life means a great deal to me, but that does not mean I am not just some pis ant on a spec of dirt floating around in some infinite void.

Plus... Our dreams and waking life can be very positive. Where did I say they can only freak us out? I'm not sure where you got that.

Subjective experience can seem very real, but that does not mean it always is. It is possible to hallucinate a wall. The seeming reality of the hallucinated wall does not prove its reality. Are you saying all hallucinations are actually true perceptions of reality? Are false hallucinations even possible? If they are, then why can't you accept that your hypnagogic hallucinations might not be real?

Leo, do you have a site, a link to the story about that girl? I just do not know what I beleive. It seems there are always stories out there, but I would like to check it out if you have any info. Thanks

Yes, I have heard voices before. It is during sp that it seems to happen.
I was dreaming I was at our other house we are remodeling. It was an estate.
I could hear someone talking, talking, so close to my ear,,, I realised I was dreaming, but did not become lucid. I realised I was in my own bed, but could not wake up or move, and still the voice was there. I tried so hard to move, make it stop.
I took all my strength and tried to yell and then I did yell out in real life,,"STOP TALKLING".. I woke my husband up.. It was pretty crazy, but I have learned that it is just sp. Well, untill what Leo says,, hmmmm...