Four hands phenomena!

[ZappPSR]

I was in my couch, taking a nap. I usually don't do that. After a while, I woke up in sleep paralysis. As usual, I tried to dream-get-up and take advantage of that state to enter a LD. Every trial (after closing my eyes and simulating a get away from the couch) I was back to the couch. So I decided to enjoy SP and move my dream-limbs. I started to move my dream hands and tried to make the lef hand find the right hand. It was awesome. At some point I was able to joing and fell my two dream hands. The unusal part was that I was seeing my arms in another position (wake position) and at the same time feeling the touch of my two dream-hands. In the process of doing this, there was buzz and vibrations all over. Then I started to enter a dream and woke up.

[Barbizzle]

WOW. What a sensation. The only thing clsoe to that experince I have is that when i want to wake up from my dreams i can feel my eyes in my body open whiel i am in my dream. Its like opeing 2 sets of eyes. 2 sets of limbs must feel quite strange!

[Revero]

I had a similar experience this morning. I had just fallen back to sleep and achieved lucidity almost immediately. I went outside to fly, and I noticed both my arms were in the position they had been in when I was going to sleep, and I could actually still feel them in that position. I tried to stretch them outward to fly, and was successful at this. I could see and feel my dream arms out at my sides and yet I could also feel at the same time that my arms were still up against my chest and touching each other as they were in real life. I woke up shortly after that.

[dj_kundalini]

Dude I don't think that was your dream hands, you were astral projecting.

[Revero]

No, I believe they were just my dream hands. I think my brain was dreaming as it normally does, inventing things for me to feel based on the dream experience, but I wasn't in a deep enough sleep for it to shut out all the sensory information it was getting from real life.

[Wicked]

Originally posted by ZappPSR I was in my couch, taking a nap. I usually don't do that. After a while, I woke up in sleep paralysis. As usual, I tried to dream-get-up and take advantage of that state to enter a LD. Every trial (after closing my eyes and simulating a get away from the couch) I was back to the couch. So I decided to enjoy SP and move my dream-limbs. I started to move my dream hands and tried to make the lef hand find the right hand. It was awesome. At some point I was able to joing and fell my two dream hands. The unusal part was that I was seeing my arms in another position (wake position) and at the same time feeling the touch of my two dream-hands. In the process of doing this, there was buzz and vibrations all over. Then I started to enter a dream and woke up. Oh I had that soooo many times. It's a very good dream sign to realize you're asleep really. I didn't know that was a form of sleep paralysis though, I thought it was simply a form of false awakening. That's awesome!

[Wicked]

Originally posted by dj_kundalini Dude I don't think that was your dream hands, you were astral projecting. Just... no.

[eXistenZ]

Originally posted by Revero No, I believe they were just my dream hands. I think my brain was dreaming as it normally does, inventing things for me to feel based on the dream experience, but I wasn't in a deep enough sleep for it to shut out all the sensory information it was getting from real life. It sounds as a reasonable theory. As to astral projections, I wouldn't discard them a priori; but by applying the so-called Ockam's razor, the explanation by Revero seems more credible because is has less assumptions. eXistenZ

[Wicked]

Too bad you don't even know how to use Occam's Razor properly. It is used ONLY as a tie-breaker for two theories that equally fit the facts. Since there is no evidence whatsoever for the possibility of astral projection (possibly even evidence for its impossibility), the theory is discredited since it fails to fit the facts, unlike Revero's theory. Thus, Occam's Razor doesn't come into play. Don't misuse scientific terms if you have no clue about them.

[eXistenZ]

You're right: that's why I used the statement "As to astral projections, I wouldn't discard them a priori". I consider the theory suggested by dj_kundalini on astral projections something comparable with other theories, that's why I used the razor concept. I would say that it is a stretch of the concept, not a misuse. You seem keen on scientific knowledge: suggest some experiment in the research forum, that now is lacking ideas. eXistenZ

[Wicked]

Meh I don't know, I'm not pretending to be a scientist or anything, 99% of what I know about these stuff I tought myself from the internet and other sources *shrug*