Thread: dream meditation failure... plus dream control ?'s

Instead of the mantra meditation, try simply focusing on your dreambody sensations while lucid. I think you will be surprised.....by the way, this meditation technique is from the Buddhist traditions.

Originally posted by dreamdancer
Instead of the mantra meditation, try simply focusing on your dreambody sensations while lucid. I think you will be surprised.....by the way, this meditation technique is from the Buddhist traditions.

Excellent idea! Thanks!

Originally posted by dreamdancer
Instead of the mantra meditation, try simply focusing on your dreambody sensations while lucid. I think you will be surprised.....by the way, this meditation technique is from the Buddhist traditions.

Okay, I finally tried out your advice this morning. I experienced something really trippy, and I am wondering if it is something you had in mind and wanted me to see for myself. When I tried to concentrate on my dream body, I noticed that I had no body. There was nothing there to concentrate on (at that moment at least). Upon realizing this, I had my first "out of body" experience. I saw my body lying there asleep, and "I" floated up away from it. It was really intense. My body was not in the place where it was asleep in the waking world, however. It was asleep in the dreamscape where I had been. I had two OBE's in my dream.

At another point, I tried to control my dream without putting out too much effort. Nothing changed. It seems that when I use enough force to successfully control my dream, my dream loses vividness. But when I try to use near effortlessness, I have no control. I am not sure what to do about that. An idea I had today is that I should use force to control my dream to where I am where I want to be and doing what I want to be doing, and then just effortlessly ride the wave. Does anybody have any suggestions for what to do about that?

in Lds you should never force things to happen just "will" them to happen by conciously knowing that they are going to happen....

Intreresting that you realized that complete domination of the dream ruins the experience, i recently found this out myself if you just walk around like normal eccept with no social consequences you can do pretty much whatever you want but still retain some of your reality to make dreams seem closer to life than if you were to just jump up into the sky and start spawning godzilla or something

obviously you would still want to fly, teleport, walk through walls etc... but LDs are funner if you dont exert total control on the environment and just interact with it

Yeh, I thought back on all of the lucid dreams I can remember, and the lowest quality ones always involved my trying very hard the whole time to control the dream. The best experiences all involved willing myself to be doing something but then letting go. I willed myself to time travel and visit my childhood, and when I got there, I let the situation take its course. That ended up being one of my favorite moments. I willed myself with a good bit of force to go back to 1969 and watch Jefferson Airplane play at Woodstock. Once I got to the performance, I let go and experienced something incredible. As for now, I think that is the way to handle things. But maybe it is better to just ride the wave from the beginning. I have also thought about meditating on the visual appearance of my dream environment.

Originally posted by Universal Mind


I started thinking my usual meditation mantra, and things stayed the same for about three seconds, but then I started losing my surroundings. Everything faded out, I lost my focus, and I lost my lucidity. Then I woke up. I never felt the rush of mind expanded bliss that meditation gives me ordinarily. So as far as the claim that a few seconds of dream meditation is worth thousands of hours of waking meditation, it doesn't seem to apply to me.

Well, now we should determine whether a thousand hours of Transcendental Meditation is worth anything. You know, in the larger Spiritual Community the prepackaged and mass produced Transcendental Meditation is not really thought all that highly of.

The kind of Meditation that my Dream Guru was speaking about was a form of Kundalini Meditation that was transmitted to me through Shaktipat -- it was a Meditation upon an actual Spiritual Force and Energy which animates the Spiritual Chakras. Correct me if I am wrong, but Transcendental Meditation is essentially just thinking about words in your head. There is probably a great deal of difference between Meditating upon a tangible Spiritual Energy in one's Highest Chakras, for a few moments or for a thousand hours, then all the thinking one can do about some words, Sanskrit or not, secret or not, at the price of only $286.00 for just this week or not.

Perhaps you should become acquainted with Kundalini Meditation. I must have written something about it... go over my old threads and take a look.

Transcendental meditation has extremely good potential in the waking state. I just don't think it's right for lucid dreams. I can see where kundalini meditation would be. Did you see where I talked about my "out of body experience"? Other forms of meditation seem to kick ass in a lucid dream state. You just need to do something that doesn't take away your luidity, which transcendental meditation does.

I agree with your disdain for the corruption of transcendental meditation by greedy pig snakes. It's still a really cool practice, under the right circumstances. For some reason, it seems to work clearly the best for me when I come out of the meditation and I am looking at wide open spaces, particularly large bodies of water. It has never worked as well in rooms. I have to have sky in my visual environment to get the full mind expansion and rush.