First Lucid Experience, Drunk

[Azathoth]

Just got my first DILD Experience this night. I was sleeping at a friends house and was quite boozed from the previous party. I remember one extrem long and vivid dream, which was very confusing cause the location used to change all the time while i was tumbling through the remains of some party (dead drunk people and destroyed furniture everywhere). I dont know what triggered my lucidity, but from one moment to another i was in a diffuse greyish nebulae, knowing that i was dreaming and just had to open my eyes to begin the dream. I opened them which was quite tiring, it felt like my eyelids where made from led. I plunged my nose just to be really sure whether i am dreaming or not and i could still breathe (which is actually a funny feeling). I was inside a long corridor in black and red colours with big curtains. When i walked around i felt really dizzy, like i was still drunk in my dream, my sight was blurred and i couldnt walk straight. So i did some more RCs, which "beamed" me to the end of the corridor, where i saw my girlfriend leaning on the wall. I asked her if i was dreaming and she said "no", while she poked some acute sticks into her nose. This was so irritating that i was sure of being in a dream. The problem was that i still felt drunk, and it became harder and harder keeping my eyelids open in the dream. I didnt realize that "closing" my eyes would have just meant changing the dream location, so i closed them and had some kind of "false falling asleep". I think this is some progress , i am still trying to WILD during naps and was quite close yesterday but then my mother burst into my room, searching for the phone -.- Has somebody else experienced the effect of real life alcohol consume in his dreams? I think its just logical that the alcohol is still deranging your brain until its decomposed (is this the right word?) by your metabolism. So your conscious mental activity is still influenced, whether youre sleeping or not...

[Lucid fanatic]

My first lucid was after a night drinking too Not sure about the technicalities though sorry!

[KingYoshi]

Many times I have smoked just before performing a WILD (during naps). I always feel high as shit during these experiences. Of course, where I smoke so much regularly during waking life, I generally always feel high in my dreams as well. I'm sure alcohol would do the same. I know drinking alcohol within a dream will definately get you drunk (within the dream).

[Novise]

It's just good news that you had your first lucid. I think that's the point to stick to and now you can really get into it. Past that I will discuss your question. It's funny because my friends who aren't lucid dreamers have told me before I should try to get really drunk before going to sleep, as if it will help with the dreams. I have found that's not really the point or the case. But drinking will make your body more tired. I think ultimately the way it makes your body tired and how you sleep almost like you are dead after a lot of drinking and staying up late, is what it truly contributes. That may sound scary or cold to some, but it's just a fact of how people sleep after a night of drinking. You can hardly see their chest moving and their body is dead still. In the early morning after a party people will wake me up to make sure I'm not dead, lol. But I was just sleeping peacefully. This sort of sleep has it's advantages, as it totally takes your body out of the picture even moreso than a night of sleep where you are healthy and well-rested. Only you aren't going to get up to do a recall in this state. I have dreamt after many a night of drinking. Really I don't usually feel drunk in them. There is a huge disconnection from your body when you dream. It's all made by your mind. The sort of changes drug and alcohol do to you are much more physical. Occuring with your brain yes, but it is physically effecting it. By definition really. A better example is one time I went lucid while I had a nasty flu. I was hurting, exhausted, and could hardly breathe. But inside the dream I felt 0 pain and I wasn't tired at all. Drugs and Alcohol do not effect the mind directly. It's still your mind. I don't know how to exactly explain it. Alcohol majorly does what it does by dehydrating the brain for example, not by changing your chemical balance or your perceptual set, or framework. I used to have dreams where it was hard to keep my eyes open. I think that's what you had. This doesn't have a lot to do with drinking. It may well have been a dream you had outside of REM sleep. According to the accepted sleep models, it is possible to dream before the REM stage. The alcohol may have been waking you up subtly, producing a sort of DEILD situation. As much as it is said drinking inhibits REM sleep, I drink often, and can usually count on two hands how many nights per year I go without a dream. REM sleep is a wash, if you don't have it one night, it will be made up for the next night to put it very basically.

[Azathoth]

I think youre right when you say that alcohol helps you to get into a much deeper sleep, it is somehow a narcotic substance that shuts you down when you take to much. Its interesting how youre keeping mind and brain apart from another in your explenation. Neurobiologically your Mind is just some weird chemistry and its prooven that ethanol influences the GABA-Receptors, which means its also influencing your thinking, in my opinion. I know what you mean when you say that your mind is able to defy physiological effects. Probably you know it, when youre really drunk/stoned and something really serious happens i.e. youre friend tries to jump down some bridge and you have to hold him back... in that moment you can think totally clear again, regardless of the substances you consumed.

[Novise]

I think youre right when you say that alcohol helps you to get into a much deeper sleep, it is somehow a narcotic substance that shuts you down when you take to much. Its interesting how youre keeping mind and brain apart from another in your explenation. Neurobiologically your Mind is just some weird chemistry and its prooven that ethanol influences the GABA-Receptors, which means its also influencing your thinking, in my opinion. I know what you mean when you say that your mind is able to defy physiological effects. Probably you know it, when youre really drunk/stoned and something really serious happens i.e. youre friend tries to jump down some bridge and you have to hold him back... in that moment you can think totally clear again, regardless of the substances you consumed. Wow. That's exactly what I meant. I concede that yes, the thinking is influenced. But just influenced, not directly effected. It's not some physical law like gravity that substances will do certain things. Rather they influence us subltly and we accept them. I'm sure if you gave certain people non-alcoholic beer without them knowing, they would still act drunk. It's a mindgame. And your example of people turning instantly sober when something bad is about to happen is exactly right. Sadly I guess, what is merely an influence might as well be considered effective and law for the majority of the population. This sort of gets into how your thinking creates your reality. And I believe that on an internal level. I don't believe in the law of attraction type of ideas, but it is amazing how much better we can make things for ourselves by the way we approach them with good attitude and acceptance. So when we sleep I guess to put it simply, most of the variables are erased. We go to a more pure state, only because there are so many less things happening and needing to be understood/categorized by our mind. From thought, to moving, to forming speech, listening is a big one, etc. The body does so much on it's own. Even socially. Once your mind is free of that, things must get incredibly easier. If it doesn't seperate from the body, then you are not asleep. It has to be disconnected, otherwise your arms would move in your sleep. But I guess what we are talking about is the connecting points, when exactly does body turn into mind and vice versa.

[Azathoth]

Hey just got my second DILD this morning! Think thats a good improvement. Unfortunately it was rather short because at the very end of my dream but i was lucid and sober Still had problems in stabilizing the dream and making it more vivid, but i managed to fly a little bit around before i woke up from that dream. Somehow i couldnt keep my head really clear, so i couldt prevent the dream from changing my flight into a scenery in a plane and so on... Hope i will be able to practice a bit the next days