Thread: Is It Cowardly Or Lazy To Believe In Religion

What prove do you want?
Stating "You have not seen god" you contradict yourself, bearing in mind that you also never have.
But talking about "god" or whatever you name it, you MUST be sure what are you talking about.
So it is the same as I asked you "You have not seen 123".
Now prove me that I am wrong or right.

"I'm tired being sorry."

love the sig quote

I knows how you feels =/

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

"I'm tired being sorry."

love the sig quote

I knows how you feels =/
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Do you really, or are you joking...?

I find it funny that atheists seem to care more about religion than they are stereotyped to be.

It's a stupid and unjustified stereotype. Atheism is a belief that there is no god or higher being. It's not like agnosticism or apathy, which for the most part, comprise of people who "just can't be bothered" with religion.

For an atheist to not care about religion, would be as ignorant as a Christian to not care about science. I, for instance, have a relatively thorough knowledge of Christian doctrine, and am working my way through the Bible (Old Testament, Apocrypha, and New Testament), one book at a time, word by word. Though I may be erring on the side of a militant, extremist atheist, nonetheless, most TRUE atheists do care very much about religion.

Originally Posted by The

It's a stupid and unjustified stereotype. Atheism is a belief that there is no god or higher being. It's not like agnosticism or apathy, which for the most part, comprise of people who "just can't be bothered" with religion.

For an atheist to not care about religion, would be as ignorant as a Christian to not care about science. I, for instance, have a relatively thorough knowledge of Christian doctrine, and am working my way through the Bible (Old Testament, Apocrypha, and New Testament), one book at a time, word by word. Though I may be erring on the side of a militant, extremist atheist, nonetheless, most TRUE atheists do care very much about religion.
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What kind of truth are you going to find in all those sacred books?

Originally Posted by Rav1

What kind of truth are you going to find in all those sacred books?
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Truth? Nay. The bible is an important historical document. And, as a student of medieval history, an understanding of Christianity is of great aid in understanding medieval history.

So it is the same as I asked you "You have not seen 123".
Now prove me that I am wrong or right.[/b]

1. number are just concept to describe things 2. number do not actually exsist their just concepts 3. have you heard of godel well just read this

When translated into precise formal logic, these curiosities become Godel's magnum opus.
To make the transition, note that the sentence s which says
"This sentence is false"
is characterized up to logical equivalence as being the solution to the logical equation:
s iff "s is false".
Tarski's Self-Reference Lemma states that in adequate mathematical theories, such equations always have solutions.
A theory is adequate if it is strong enough to encode finite sequences of numbers and define simple sequence operations such as concatenation. In an adequate theory, we can encode the syntax of such things as terms, sentences, programs, and proofs. In particular, for every formula p, there is an object < p > which encodes this formula.

Even very weak number theories are adequate. So is set theory since numbers can be defined in set theory. For concreteness, let&#39;s pick number theory with our favorite axioms: +, x, 0, 1 have the associative, commutative, distributive, identity and cancellation properties. For any first-order formula p(x),
if p(0) and p(n) -> p(n+1) for all n, then p(n) holds for all n.[/b]

in dump terms it says that mathematical logic of arithmatic 123 is in fact false or that the logic behind it is flawed because you can translate if this statement is false into it. also try and stay away from mathematics you cleary dont understand it according to the top number and truth in number are subjective or all made up.
so rav1 you are wrong.

p.s. if any one has a decent argument i can show you were your wrong also try not to make this into a dicussion abou atheistism blue meanie gave a good enought reason try and stick to the topic since people here some most believe in god they most have reason behind them.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

1. number are just concept to describe things 2. number do not actually exsist their just concepts 3. have you heard of godel well just read this

in dump terms it says that mathematical logic of arithmatic 123 is in fact false or that the logic behind it is flawed because you can translate if this statement is false into it. also try and stay away from mathematics you cleary dont understand it according to the top number and truth in number are subjective or all made up.
so rav1 you are wrong.

p.s. if any one has a decent argument i can show you were your wrong also try not to make this into a dicussion abou atheistism blue meanie gave a good enought reason try and stick to the topic since people here some most believe in god they most have reason behind them.
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I only try to give you an example that the word "god" is as empty, meaningless word as "123". You can agree or disagree, we live in a free world, supposedly.
But what does it change? - If you agree or disagree? Nothing.
All religions, faiths, organizations have been invented by people to serve them (the leaders) in their insatiable quest for power, wealth, money, control over the world...
You see it&#39;s all about egoism.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Truth? Nay. The bible is an important historical document. And, as a student of medieval history, an understanding of Christianity is of great aid in understanding medieval history.
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That&#39;s right. But the historical documents are dead papers. The facts happened ages ago and those chapters are closed. Well, of course, one can draw a lot of useful lessons from it, as they say "It&#39;s always better to know your enemies, than to be totally ignorant of them".
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I do think that how more mentally unstable and unhappy people are, how more esially they will seek an awnser in religion. So yes, it kind of is weak. Weak to give up the search for facts, logic and truths.

Originally Posted by Rav1

Do you really, or are you joking...?[/b]

I&#39;m being serious

I know what it&#39;s like to be made to apologize for everything....after a while, it wears your self image down to the bone

don&#39;t know if that&#39;s what you meant by it or not, but that&#39;s what instantly popped in my mind

its neither cowardly nor lazy to beleive in religeon, (coming from me - who isnt religeous, or beleives in god) people i know who are, arent cowards or lazy... and a question, what proof do u have that "he"-god doesnt exist? the fact that you cannot physically see or touch "him", does that make it so impossible that "he" may exist? the need for proof is what makes religeon so questionable. are you suggesting that every person in history be the millions that beleived in something, were living to beleive something non-existant or made up.

just my thoughts...ripe my assumptions...go

I&#39;m sorry, but I dont see the point of thies threads. they havn&#39;t changed anyones views, and they only make people angry.

Cowardly? For some people, yes.

Lazy? I think its more lazy to not be bothered, so no.

Not everyone who says that they follow a religion actualy does so, and they give the rest a bad name

lol If there is no life after death, you wont remember
you had a good life or not. (although most real christians have good lives)
Its like if you have a great LD, and forget about it, its like it never happened.

If there IS life after death, I&#39;m pretty sure I&#39;ll be glad I spent my
whole life serving God.

lol sorry just looking at it a different way. I&#39;m not a theologian.

its neither cowardly nor lazy to beleive in religeon, (coming from me - who isnt religeous, or beleives in god) people i know who are, arent cowards or lazy... and a question, what proof do u have that "he"-god doesnt exist? the fact that you cannot physically see or touch "him", does that make it so impossible that "he" may exist? the need for proof is what makes religeon so questionable.[/b]

well yes the point where your logic get messed is that i could believe in santa claus does it make him real no does it make him not real no the point is their no logic behind this just ignorance the belife of something that ha no proof. their lazy because they believe in something that they dont question or that they abadom truth.

are you suggesting that every person in history be the millions that beleived in something, were living to beleive something non-existant or made up. [/b]

name me this in what succumstance is belife good or that millions of people were correct outside of science. let me think slavery of black mass, murder of jew final solution, witch trials e.t.c. what the commoin thing of these subject belife black are insuperior, jews are criminal and that it okay to kill people in the name of god. if you got anything else justinP

I&#39;m sorry, but I dont see the point of thies threads. they havn&#39;t changed anyones views, and they only make people angry.

Cowardly? For some people, yes.

Lazy? I think its more lazy to not be bothered, so no.

Not everyone who says that they follow a religion actualy does so, and they give the rest a bad name[/b]

a life not question is a life not worth living

Originally Posted by eggbert

lol If there is no life after death, you wont remember
you had a good life or not. (although most real christians have good lives)
Its like if you have a great LD, and forget about it, its like it never happened.

If there IS life after death, I&#39;m pretty sure I&#39;ll be glad I spent my
whole life serving God.

lol sorry just looking at it a different way. I&#39;m not a theologian.
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Why does god need service? I&#39;m just wondering.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

I&#39;m being serious

I know what it&#39;s like to be made to apologize for everything....after a while, it wears your self image down to the bone

don&#39;t know if that&#39;s what you meant by it or not, but that&#39;s what instantly popped in my mind
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Yes, I mean that I&#39;ve maybe been worried too much of my friends, family, neighbours and never rejected any asking for help.... well do you think they truely appreciated it? No way. People are so cold and indifferent these days. That&#39;s sad but I still have the hope to find one day what I&#39;m looking for... Friendship, loyalty, trust, tolerance... Do I ask for so much?

Well i do beleive and i do very well know mathematics and science and i understand both. And if you where to talk or get to know me you would not think that i was as ignorant , cowardly, or lazy as you claim. I like science its interesting. But that wont stop me from beleiving. Aslo even if someone is an atheist they still can be cool people. Who cares really. IMO

If someone believes in god that doesnt mean they are scared or lazy.... they could believe it just because its what they believe, it doesnt have to have proof or backing.

If someone believes in god that doesnt mean they are scared or lazy.... they could believe it just because its what they believe, it doesnt have to have proof or backing.[/b]

a belife without proof is the definition of ignorance or in religion it more ignorance is bliss the belife in something because it a nice idea with out any logic or evidence.

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well religion does not make no scientific sense so if you truly understood both you clearly would believe in god early on posted a short description of godel theory of truth saying their is no truth if clearly understood both name a example in one that proves me wrong.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

a belife without proof is the definition of ignorance or in religion it more ignorance is bliss the belife in something because it a nice idea with out any logic or evidence.

well religion does not make no scientific sense so if you truly understood both you clearly would believe in god early on posted a short description of godel theory of truth saying their is no truth if clearly understood both name a example in one that proves me wrong.
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yet you are basing your belief on works that have been proven wrong in the past. Scripture has told us many things about the world that science has only now proven (such as the world is a sphere, it HANGES in space, Blood is the life of the body, and that the sum totle of the stars can never be counted my a human being.)

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

a belife without proof is the definition of ignorance or in religion it more ignorance is bliss the belife in something because it a nice idea with out any logic or evidence.

well religion does not make no scientific sense so if you truly understood both you clearly would believe in god early on posted a short description of godel theory of truth saying their is no truth if clearly understood both name a example in one that proves me wrong.
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Does science make any sense? Aha, got you there&#33;

There is proof lol you just choose not to believe it.

There is proof lol you just choose not to believe it.[/b]

name one example of the proof wait no you cant you say their is proof but where is it common. next time says the name of person your made the comment for

Does science make any sense? Aha, got you there&#33;[/b]

eignstein said you can teach physics to a barmaid william sidis at the age of seven understood nearly every majour theory of the universe. it not gene that make genius so it just is lazyness that make stupidity so if your saying it does not make any sense your being to lazy to undersatnd it.

yet you are basing your belief on works that have been proven wrong in the past. Scripture has told us many things about the world that science has only now proven (such as the world is a sphere, it HANGES in space, Blood is the life of the body, and that the sum totle of the stars can never be counted my a human being.)[/b]

wow this is wrong in many level see neer roman and egyptian time they new the world was spherical it was proved by obsering the moon the shadow was round. this is one of your more stupid comment this was logical deduced by the tortoise paradox e.g. a small tortoise support and bigger tortoise infintly so it stays up it just crazy so it was logically concluded it just sit their. this comment is also stupid you have no define what you mean of life or what is a body and this is untrue their are other kingdoms of species plant, fugui e.t.c. that are consider to be alive with out no blood and plus the oldest medical treament is to stop the blood by banding it up. this comment make no sense at all unless something is infinte it not impossible to count and plus it like saying the bible told human we cant fly and now it proven the bible it just stupid and useless and like a scentist said it possible to count every star in the sky and plus saying that you cant count every grain of sound does not give me the power to make every stupid thing i said correct. now dont get me started on where the scripture gone scientifically or in common sense e.g. it says that earth was the centre of the world, the planet where pushed by angles so they can move e.t.c.

p.s. this proves your ignorance keeper or lazyness to actually get some intelligence of your own if you got any more stupid theory of wheir sceince got it wrong and religion did then tell me. and plus the time argument is flawed any way by a field called quantum mechanics where all the top would be wrong i would say read it up but then your to lazy and another thing i didnt read anything about quantum mechanics in the bible at least bhuddism which i see as a philosophy not a religion is changing to knowledge and the Quran actually agrees with classical physics but what does christianity do point out incorrect piece of rubbish and try and reinterpret them as true or make up incorrect theory like ID to idiot that dont understand basic concept of science.