Beyond 5 Senses?

[Ev]

This is an idea that was quietly sitting in the back of my mind for a while now and suddenly I came to this realization. My dreams/LDs feature many emotions, physical sensations, and other "feelings" that are not present in the real world. I suspect this is the case for many dreamers but they may not think much about it. Just an example - looking at some beautiful landscape or conversing with DCs may cause emotions that are very strong yet I have hard time describing them. Here comes the big question - Are these "new sensations" random occurences or can they be stimulated in real life? Could it be that they are always present, but are dormant or overpowered by other feelings/emotions? Is it possible that some people are simply blind to these "new sensations"? Or is it possible that our minds are able to process more signals than the reality has to offer? This may be related to the 5 senses concept - there are 5 senses that all humans share, they are easy to verify and tune, so our 5 basic senses pretty much conform to each other. But what happens if we are able to sense on more levels? What if there are neural pathworks in our brains that are able to pick up signals from the outside, but since noone ever taught us how to interpret these signals we simply dismiss them? Human bodies are sensitive instruments and apparently they interact with each other. For example students sitting in one classroom for more than an hour may have their hearts beating in tune with each other. After a few hours their brainwaves may become in phase with each other. Any thoughts?

[Bayside]

Hmm, I never knew that about human bodies interacting like that.... Interesting. I'm pretty sure I know what feelings your talking about from dreams, I often get these strange feelings that I can't really relate to any feelings I feel in reality. One of them I can kind of classify as feelings out of place, not really knowing where I am, and just dying to be somewhere familiar, but that doesn't seem to fully explain it.... There's lots of others, that I can't explain exactly what they mean when I wake up.... Perhaps this is just a result of our bodies being pumped full of endorphins? I'm not sure.

[Neruo]

The '5 senses' are just classification, you could also classify it in a different way. For instance, your sence of balance, is that another extra sense? It's just a word.

[Merlock]

This is going to be funny because no one ever listens to me when I state this but: dreams are built entirely of conceptual thought, which is in turn interpreted into sensory information due to people being used to receiving it in the waking world and less attuned to conceptual thought, which happens often as well but in a passive manner not noticed by the conscious mind much. Key phrase: conceptual thought. P.S. To Neruo: there are only 5 basic physical senses. They are classified so because there are no ways of physical information input simpler than them. Sense of balance isn't a sense but a skill just like any other ability, not an innate trate to receive information from the outside world, thus the word "sense".

[Howie]

This is going to be funny because no one ever listens to me when I state this but: dreams are built entirely of conceptual thought, which is in turn interpreted into sensory information due to people being used to receiving it in the waking world and less attuned to conceptual thought, which happens often as well but in a passive manner not noticed by the conscious mind much.[/b] I am listening. What did you say? JK. I agree. Because when we dream our minds believe what we are perceiving is real it may take an interaction or feeling and it turns it into a concept, or so it believes. When in reality they are nothing more than an experience of breathing fire. Any and all of the above that you can conceptual perceive in a lucid dream. SO I think perception is in addition to the thought process, don't you think Merlock? I think Ev puts a little bit of an addition to this though. He adds the alliance with other individuals. I personally do not believe that anything beyond our five sense are capable for us to perceive. But the mind is always a wonder. The old saying, perception is reality. Well if you can perceive anything and by doing so making it reality to your brain, then who is to say. If an event like this could happen I think it would be more along the lines of an exaggerated perception of the already existing five senses. Good food for thought Ev. I say don't count anything out. If one day we could in tune ourselves to adapt to other senses, maybe a new sense could arise. What the hell. Six senses in ten years. Just think. There is only eight planets now. By then Keeper could have proved religion, Leo could be back on DV and there could only be two planets. Not including earth......uuuh I guess we would have to forgo the DV forum idea, unless we are inhabiting Mars.

[becomingagodo]

Good food for thought Ev. I say don't count anything out. If one day we could in tune ourselves to adapt to other senses, maybe a new sense could arise. What the hell. Six senses in ten years. Just think. There is only eight planets now. By then Keeper could have proved religion, Leo could be back on DV and there could only be two planets. Not including earth......uuuh I guess we would have to forgo the DV forum idea, unless we are inhabiting Mars. [/b] Dreams are nothing more then halluciantion expanded. Couldnt you also say that if the top would happen you could be in a madhouse and in fact dreaming it or that all the people went crazy in this forum like sealab 2021 or that you so want to believe keeper you go crazy.

[Keeper]

I'm trying to proove God, not religion

[becomingagodo]

I'm trying to proove God, not religion [/b] Okay maybe were all go mad and start believing in god. or ignorant I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing. Socrates[/b] Well you might be mad. If you were mad then you would not know that your mad. This aplies to both side so agnostic seem like the best choice.

[Oneironaut Zero]

Ev: I know what you mean. The only sense that comes to mind that was completely alien to me, that happened in a lucid dream, is a sense of inter-connectedness with the world around me. It is much like the (possible) connection you're speaking of, between people. You'd think it was a given because, of course, when you're lucid dreaming, you know everything is made up of your own mind but, I once had a dream on Calea Z and B6 that was so vivid I could feel the world around me. I could feel the trees as if they were an extention of myself (which they are, but on a level completely imperceivable before this experience). It's a feeling that I, even now, can't adequately explain. I could feel the rustling of the leaves. The wind blowing through them seemed to be my own breath, flowing in and out, influencing the surrounding elements in a vivid, astonishing (and yet somehow passive and effortless) way. It's much like the feeling of moving something with your mind, in your dream, but coming from everywhere, involuntarily. Crazy experience.

[Keeper]

Becoming, why do you think someone must be "mad" to beleive in God?

[Howie]

Sorry Keeper. God not religion. I meant no offense. Moreover I meant for that to NOT take this off topic. OS please let's stick to Ev's philoshpy. Please. Dreams are nothing more then halluciantion expanded. Couldnt you also say that if the top would happen you could be in a madhouse and in fact dreaming it or that all the people went crazy in this forum like sealab 2021 or that you so want to believe keeper you go crazy.[/b] I don't really understand what you are saying. I do think that when someone does have a mental illness that real life can become a blur. Or crazy as you would call it. In a Lucid state of mind I think we can expand our conscious experiences through different practices, but I do not feel that without an underlying mental issue, one could loose you sanity. Is that what you are implying?

[Neruo]

P.S. To Neruo: there are only 5 basic physical senses. They are classified so because there are no ways of physical information input simpler than them. Sense of balance isn't a sense but a skill just like any other ability, not an innate trate to receive information from the outside world, thus the word "sense". [/b] Silly man. How do you think this 'skill' work? It is all in your head? Well more like in your ears. There are tiny cristals that react to gravity, nervecells detect changes in them, that happens if you for instance stand on your head. It works exactly the same as any other 'sense'. Nerve cells 'detect' something and pass it on to your brain. I made a topic about '5 senses' some time ago allready. http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...44&hl=sense There is also a classification of physical sences that doesn't count to five, but beond.