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"We may guess that in dreams life, matter, and vitality, as the earth knows such things, are not necessarily constant; and that time and space do not exist as our waking selves comprehend them. Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." |
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06-01-2004 05:45 PM #1Observer
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One closer step to lifes meening?
I have a idea that in dreams, you are just as real as in your waking life. What if when you fall asleep you just enter the other side? Like, right now in our waking life we are not lucid. Like, in a dream, there are ways of telling you are dreaming. You can't dim the light for example. But what if there are ways to tell if your, well, what we are now. In the dream world, what would dreaming be called? Perhaps dreaming in the dream world is live in the real world. I meen, in a dream everything seems real. What if it is? What if we trained ourselfs in the dream world to become lucid in the "real" world? Then, in this demension we could do anything we can do in the dream world. In dreams, if your about to die, you wake up. But, when your lucid in a dream you can die and then wake up emedeity in the real world. Same in the real world. We die here when we our not lucid, we die for good, as in a non-lucid dream. If we could become in a lucid state in waking life, if we die we would enter into dreaming life. If some one could prove this right we would be one more step closer to the meening. What if there was a point when we our crossing to th dream world that we could see and stay for a while.
Here is a strang happaning I had:
In the real world, while driving in a bus, I got the feeling you get when you relize your dreaming in the dream world.
What do you think?"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
- Albert Einstein
"We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about."
-Joseph Campbell
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
-Albert Einstein
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06-01-2004 10:10 PM #2Member
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dreaming
I have become an angel this night, bearing wishes on pearly wings. While dancing upon clusters of stars and cosmic nebulas, into some enchanted, celestial ritual that turned me into a constellation...
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06-05-2004 12:15 AM #3Member
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Have you ever read any of Carlos Casteneda's Books? If you have not, you need to do so. He discusses just this topic, and the series is wonderful. They are enlightening and inspiring. I highly recommend them to you, since you are interested in the Dream World Vs. Waking World. Casteneda's books are ingrained with dream world material.
Shine on, you crazy diamond!
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06-08-2004 01:53 AM #4Dreamah in ReHaB
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Stephen LaBerge's "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" talks about a man who once dreamed of living the daily life and actions of a butterfly, and then woke up from the dream. The dream was so realistic to him, and he asked himself "Was I a man dreaming of being a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming of being a man?"
Personally, I'm leaning toward the idea that this waking life is more of a "real world" because it's the same every time we wake up from our sleep dreams...naturals are what we call people who did all the right things accidentally
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06-28-2004 05:23 AM #5Observer
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Gwendolyn, are those books fiction or non-fiction?
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
- Albert Einstein
"We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about."
-Joseph Campbell
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
-Albert Einstein
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06-28-2004 07:23 AM #6Member
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People go over this stuff all the time...
There are many people in the OBE crowd (I for one am knowledgeable in this field.) that believe that lucid dreams and OBEs are basically our lives in the other dimension. A dimension of pure thought. Maybe that is why we sleep so damn long?
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06-29-2004 08:16 AM #7Member
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One time I had a dream where I was talking to what appeared to be an alien casually and I asked him what the meaning of life was. All I can remember of his reply was that it was a deep profound response that no one in the history of the human race has contemplated before, so profound that I'm sure it was the true meaning of life. Unfortunately I forgot what he actually said upon the end of the dream.
It really is a shame, that could have really helped us in our search for the meaning life.
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06-29-2004 02:35 PM #8Member
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Being in the dream state really opens the mind to unseen possibilities in the waking life. It's like taking hallucinogenic drugs. When I do mushrooms, the world is COMPLETELY different to me. I see life and consciousness in general in a totally different way, and I can explain it very clearly to myself, and sometimes other people. I agree that it is possible that you actually did stumble upon the answerOriginally posted by L0s7 4 Lyf3
One time I had a dream where I was talking to what appeared to be an alien casually and I asked him what the meaning of life was. All I can remember of his reply was that it was a deep profound response that no one in the history of the human race has contemplated before, so profound that I'm sure it was the true meaning of life. Unfortunately I forgot what he actually said upon the end of the dream.
It really is a shame, that could have really helped us in our search for the meaning life.
Keep looking
In this crazy world if they don't consider you mad, then you have no confirmation of your own sanity, do you?
Imagine if this crazy world thought you were sane?! Oh my God, worst nightmare!
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07-12-2004 04:29 PM #9Member
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I kinda see life as a Lucid dream you cotrol what life brings to you and only you decide what happens to you. Like right now your body is just a shell to enclose your spirit until you die and crossover to the afterlife and at that moment your spirit is unleashed.
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07-13-2004 02:46 AM #10Member
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I totally agree. The 3-dimensional world is just one facet of our conscious existence. Dreams are just as real as the waking world if you let them be. Same with the other states - meditation, trance, astral projection, etc...Emotions still flow from these sources, so it would be silly to write them off as nothing.
In this crazy world if they don't consider you mad, then you have no confirmation of your own sanity, do you?
Imagine if this crazy world thought you were sane?! Oh my God, worst nightmare!
-David Icke
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