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      bradybaker mentions some interesting points, 'proven' by Einstein. He proves that time is relative (time passes slower when you move quickly, such as in a concord jet(it also passes slower when youre being affected by high levels of gravity, which is essentialy the same as moving fast)) meaning time passes slowly or quickly under different circumstances. This is the Theory of RELATIVITY. I think...

      Anyway, Taosaur makes an interesting point about time just being a concept, I believe this (that time is linear, cannot be travelled through). I don't know what I would ever say to Einstein if I met him, to tell the truth, I don't think many of us have very educated opinions that could stand up to Einstein's or any other physicists scrutiny. I suppose, though, Einstein's 'proof' could be 'proven' wrong any day now. You can never be certain.
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      Yes, just because an intelligent man says something does not make it absolutely correct. Einstein's theory is no more right than the speculations of an 8-year-old.

      I have already made a theory on time travel, or time in general to be precise. I call it the "Frame Theory" (probably been said by someone smarter than me anyway, but...). With this I try to explain consciousness on all points of time, and perception in general, and why time travel would not make "you" experience the same things over and over again.

      Time does not exist in the manner that we think; it is just a concept created by humans to comprehend certain things, and to make dates and such. I believe time is just like a camera strip of film. Each frame is continously happening in a loop, we just \"move\" down. The frame still exists--our selves of the 1 second ago loop exist too. They noted that that was a second of time. The frame is infinite, but we don't realize it because we're viewing the strip like a moving film.

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      that is exactly the reason I believe that time is split into frames (who knows the exact length of them; maybe a measurement we can't comprehend). Different perceptions make you think your moving in time, but your probably just going from one frame to the next.

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      Perhaps we all exist in different planes of time; each second of living is a plane I suppose. All together there are maybe 10 to the 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000..... power of planes. We perceive each one as time, but in reality each second or plane exists in a infinite amount. Not like rewinding and playing the same frame over and over, but really the same thing is constantly existing. Words could not describe it. Maybe it's like always being on the same plane of existance, for ever, but your 'moment self' thinks that it is on the correct plane, but in reality 'all' of you are. This would probably mean that you are one in everything, not omnipresent or anything (since you could not live forever), but close.[/b]

      This boils down to perception and consciousness, because each "frame" thinks it is moving forward in time, and the next "frame" thinks it has just moved from the past to present and is going to move foward. The frames as seperate don't seem to make sense, but if you run them through a "projector" AKA perception, everything makes sense to you. A false conscious, maybe, but one all the same.


      P.S. Thanks LewisM, for adopting my quote! It makes me appear like an aged philosopher sitting down having tea with another. Hehe...

      "In the end, the lord shalth return in full regulation Soviet Uniform, hailing Lenin as thy true messiah." -Siberian Revealations

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      Ok, ok. Let's not disrespect Albert Einstein here. His theories and postulations were so advanced for his time that we are just now gaining the technology needed to confirm many of his predictions. I suggest you do some research before proclaiming that:

      Einstein's theory is no more right than the speculations of an 8-year-old.[/b]
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      Joseph and I weren't criticising Einstein's theory here... Just commenting on the nature of 'truth' and how it can change any old day. To another 8 year old, 8yearoldNo.1's idea might seem to be the absolute truth, until he meets a ten year old that tells him the 'REAL' truth.

      Joseph your quote is awesome don't worry, you ARE a super-dope philosopher.
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      Yes, I meant no disrespect to Einstein. But you have to see that every so often, within a few generations, there will be a new Einstein, and he'll be "Smart Sterotype" for another few decades, and so on. Truth is a very...interesting thing. Because one day the truth will become false--there is no real truth but what we choose to believe.


      An eight-year-old might think "Of course aliens are real!"
      But his brother, who is 13, might say "Don't be stupid. Aliens are made up."
      But their 30-year-old father, who has all sorts of degrees and such, might say "Well, you know, we can never be to certain. However, there is a better chance there is some form of life, be it microscopic or otherwise."


      Who is right? Well the average person, when asked to pick out a choice of answers from these three, will more than likely choose the 30-year-old father, because he is older, and has degrees, and graduated from MIT or some school of similiar standing (owch, say that 5 times fast ). The person's choice is based on a false interpretation that because the man is older and wiser, and overall "smarter" (think an alternate world where science is frowned upon as a fools talk, and fairy tales are truth, such as sun demons and such--all of that is considered "Smart"), he will indefinately always hold the correct and 'logical' choice. Though his choice is roughly the same as his 8-year-old son, the person will examine his exclamation of "Aliens are real!" as statement made out of saturation by movies and television. Even if this is true, it is still basically the same as his father's. Yet once again, because of the "Seniority" and "Authority" of his father and what he says, he is trusted and accepted more.

      This is a common mistake among many, that because of papers and medals, one is more than another person, and his philosophies and ideas mean more than another's. Because this man has absorbed knowledge and ideas all his life that constitute his "intelligence" (such ideas and facts that might not even be real or the truth), and has been awarded with documents that proclaim this, he is thought to have more say over another person.

      What we see is a contradiction in itself--logic has become ignorance.

      Of course, I myself step into a boundary I cannot explain. Perhaps, in truth, I am the ignorant one, and that what I say is not the truth. It is an unexplained and uncomphrehendable paradox:

      I say such things condemming ignorance, yet I myself may be ignorant. And because I say such things out of ignorance, then in fact the things I am condemming are right, but if they are correct, and are logical, than what of men like me? Do we fight a giant contradiction everyday, that can only be answered with a contradiction? Or is it a simple answer than we cannot discover, only to be answered with "logic"? What is logic? What is ignorance? Perhaps these are words with false meanings, because they do not describe facts, but more likely, opinions.

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      Thanks for the comments LewisM...from now on I will become:

      JOSEPH STALIN: SUPER DOPE PHILOSHOPER

      "In the end, the lord shalth return in full regulation Soviet Uniform, hailing Lenin as thy true messiah." -Siberian Revealations

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