heaven and hell

[nerve]

what if someone were in both heaven and hell at the same time? think about it: they'd desperately want out of it, but at the same time, they wouldn't want to be anywhere else. wouldn't that be absolutely maddening? would it be worse than hell? or true hell? and in that case, what would heaven be?non-existence...I would think. I'm not talking about a religious heaven or hell. I mean heaven as a state of ecstacy, and hell a state of misery. a possible situation that can be experienced. this is just a vague idea I had and I'm struggling to put it in context. could someone hopefully explain to me what I'm talking about? yeah...thanks.

[LucidFlanders]

Hell=earth Heaven= a AWESOME moment in your life, or many moments. We all expierience these things at the same time.

[ExoByte]

Thats actually really something that got me thinking. Thanks for that. Lets relate it to cutting for example, no one wants to cut and pain is... well, painful. But the people doing it just don't stop. They want to stop, but they don't want to at the same time. I know this isn't the point your trying to portray, but is it a similar idea?

[grasshoppa]

This reminds me of the liger. They want to hunt solo like their mothers, the tiger. Yet they want to hunt in a pride like their fathers, the lion. Thus the liger is a depressed and useless species.

[Howie]

That is depression. We thrive on our own story of how bad I have it, how this sucks and that. You take that away and what do you have? Some restructuring to do. Religiously: I have thought, God who created all, he knows all and knows what is going to happen. Is he too not the very Devil.

[Absolute]

What this could be is a hell-like environment where, say, a serial killer has gone to due to his spirit vibration and he loves being in the hell-like environment. Be it simply lack of light and absolute pain, or cutting himself over and over again listening to the screams of thousands in some dark house, or perhaps being tortured by some other entity. Yet, like most troubled individuals, they like pain - so as much as they want to get out of there they are still trapped with their addiction.

[Original Poster]

On the cutting issue, the physical pain relieves the internal pain so they want to stop but at the same time it's a opiate for their inner pain to be released. Hell and Heaven are states of mind. They may be real places as well, but one's state of mind must be in heaven or hell if they end up their when they die. In this world we can know both suffering and the transcendence of suffering which makes its lessons much greater than any other universe in existence.

[blade5x]

I don't think it relieves internal pain - that sounds like something that makes it better. I think the cutting actually shifts some of their attention away from the internal pain toward the physical pain, which the lesser of the two evils from their point of view.