dajavoo

[[AsS]]PcoK]

My theory on dajavoo is that every1 dreams every night, but they dont always remember their dream. So when they see something that reminds them of their dream DAJAVOO. Has ne1 found that being able to remember your dreams has stopped the consistency of dajavoo.Or is my theory way off.

[Identity X]

The correct spelling would be deja vu, with an accent on the a.

[[AsS]]PcoK]

"deja vu" with ease haha, ignore the bad spelling

[Identity X]

The thing you are explaining happens to me all the time, e.g. I'm waiting fo a train, and I remember a dream featuring a train. It appears our dream eraser isn't as effective after all thank God.

[PSmolik90]

Well, the scientific explanation for it is a bit different. This usually occurs when your body is exhausted (this doesn't mean that you feel tired, it could be a variety of things ranging from malnutrition to sleep deprivation). The delay time from sending an electric impulse from the right lobe of your brain to the left lobe is increased. In that minuet instance your mind thinks it has seen a similar situation, but in all reality your not. You are remembering something from nanoseconds ago, and then believing it to have been from a previous time. Your mind is your own worst enemy.

[Emi Chan]

Im sorry but I cannot believe that, That is just Scientific mumbo jumbo trying to explain something that cannot be explained. Anyway Deja vu' happens not only for scenerios but locations also. I think it may have something to do with your dreams and discovering an event that may perhaps play out in your waking life. Or actually being in a particular place in your dream that you have never been before but when you go there in reality you feel that Deja'vu.

[PSmolik90]

Science is nothing more than selective theories or hypotheses backed by substantial tests. This "mumbo jumbo" is an opinion, just like yours, nothing more. At the same time the opinion is also a bit more logical. Dreams occur in the subconscious, correct? Brain waves are subconsciously relayed, correct? Your dreams are influenced by reality and every day life, not that of the opposite. Your view of Deja vu' comes off as what most psychics claim they have the power to do.

[Emi Chan]

yep you do have a point there. But the fact of the matter is this. There is not a scientist or Neurologist in this world that can decipher the functions of the brain to it's entirety. Until they can do so I don't believe in theories. Just like Einstiens Theory of Relativity. Now they are questioning his Mathematics to the point where they do not think it may be fully accurate. These substantial test that is backing science is made by humans right? Thats the problem. and there is nothing in this world created by a human- being that doesn't have some sort of flaw or Loop-hole. Why? because of course we are imperfect creatures. Ever noticed that Mechanical devices in a dream always malfunction. Thats because Every Mechanical device is made by humans and they are not perfect creations thus something on a higher plane always reminds us of this. And all dreams do not occur on a subconscious level. If you really believed that PSmolik then you wouldn't believe in Lucid Dreaming. WILD and MILD dreams Occur on a Conscious Level.

[PSmolik90]

Originally posted by Switch yep you do have a point there. But the fact of the matter is this. There is not a scientist or Neurologist in this world that can decipher the functions of the brain to it's entirety. Until they can do so I don't believe in theories. Just like Einstiens Theory of Relativity. Now they are questioning his Mathematics to the point where they do not think it may be fully accurate. These substantial test that is backing science is made by humans right? Thats the problem. and there is nothing in this world created by a human- being that doesn't have some sort of flaw or Loop-hole. Why? because of course we are imperfect creatures. Ever noticed that Mechanical devices in a dream always malfunction. Thats because Every Mechanical device is made by humans and they are not perfect creations thus something on a higher plane always reminds us of this. And all dreams do not occur on a subconscious level. If you really believed that PSmolik then you wouldn't believe in Lucid Dreaming. WILD and MILD dreams Occur on a Conscious Level. That's if you acknowledge the existence of a devine entity. I was under the impression that to have a dream you have to fall into some state of unconsciousness during the "experience" or it wouldn`t be a dream. I also thought WILD and MILD were techniques to induce yourself into the unconsious lucid dreaming state, not types of dreams. I myself have never atempted this, due to time constrictions(4 hours of sleep, then a productive day). If you believe in the existence of an entity that is "perfect", wouldn`t their little anatomical concoction be perfect as well? Creating something imperfect, then intentionally hindering them, by some thing "perfect" doesn`t seem all too plausible.

[[AsS]]PcoK]

O....K.......

[Emi Chan]

Originally posted by PSmolik90 That's if you acknowledge the existence of a devine entity. I was under the impression that to have a dream you have to fall into some state of unconsciousness during the \"experience\" or it wouldn`t be a dream. I also thought WILD and MILD were techniques to induce yourself into the unconsious lucid dreaming state, not types of dreams. I myself have never atempted this, due to time constrictions(4 hours of sleep, then a productive day). If you believe in the existence of an entity that is \"perfect\", wouldn`t their little anatomical concoction be perfect as well? Creating something imperfect, then intentionally hindering them, by some thing \"perfect\" doesn`t seem all too plausible. Yes I do acknowledge the existence of GOD in heaven. I kinda figured that you didn't, but to each his/her own. Your thoughts are wrong in regards to the WILD and MILD techniques, as a matter of fact saying "induce yourself into the unconscious lucid dreaming state" does not go together. Lucidity when at its peak doesn't involve anything of the unconscious whatsoever. Lucidity is coherent, choerency implies capability which inturns gives you capable thought preception with cerebral appreciation something you do not get if you are unconscious. Lucid dreaming is being aware that you are dreaming, Unconsciousness means having no power of mental preception, without cerebral appreciation; hence not knowing, being aware of nothing. And as far as I remember in regards to imperfect individuals on this planet is a direct result of the first man and women disobeying GOD. I don't recall anywhere in the bible that it states our imperfection was done intentionally. And how is not plausible to you to believe that, when its all around you everyday? How bout' you do this, you give me something that is perfect created by Man then I would pretty much believe anything you say, but if you cannot produce, then I suggest you pick up a Bible and start reading the first book until you reach the last.

[PSmolik90]

I guess thats where my view of dreams are different with yours. Man produces co2, I find no flaw in that *breathes in* *breathes out* ahhh perfect. I acknowledge the existence of something greater, because frankly I don`t think we came from nothing. I was alluding to the fact of it wasn`t all to appropriate to bring that into your thesis or argument if you will. I appreciate your missionary position, a great position for you to be in. (pun bah dum psh!) Religion is full of contradictions. The bible was written by man, so it's not perfect either. Established religion is based on greed and power or was created to make life seem bearable. Some people need a crutch to drudge through this shit hole of life.

[Placebo]

Getting a bit heated in here. I'll add a bit of wood to the mix... Firstly I don't understand why this has anything to do with religion to start with In defence of religion, God didn't create us imperfectly. We ended up deciding that on ourselves. See Genesis the first couple of books. And man physically jotted the Bible down, but we were simply the 'secretaries'... not the author. It does result in some confusion because of our implicit imperfection, but read in context it all still works out fine. In defence of science, science is simply an attempt to identify and understand all phenomenon around us. Yes they are theories, and yes they can be flawed. That doesn't mean they're all complete B*S*though. Science is simply a means to understanding and harnessing things, and as such I appreciate it for what it is. It has its uses. At the end of the day, none of us can say for sure if the either explanation is true. And the argument of 'it feels right to me' doesn't hold much water because its obvious that different people will feel different arguments 'feel right'. Once again, our imperfection doesn't help either. That is all... Rip away...

[Emi Chan]

Placebo that was wonderfully put. I wasn't trying to bring religion into this conversation, but for some reason it just seems to come in at any given time. It just amazes me sometimes the faith of individuals, if there is any at all. Man may have written the bible but all words are inspired by GOD. and co2 huh? You think co2 is perfect. Well in your scientific theory any CO2 produced by human activities and released in the atmosphere contributes to the Greenhouse Effect. also isn't co2 insoluble which means it's instability produces carbonic acids and as you know carbonic acids accepts hydrogen ions right? Well this is an unstabled chemical reaction which is probably the reason for the erosion of marble and limestone monuments of historical and cultural importance, such as the Taj Mahal in India, the Mayan temples in Mexico and Guatemala, and the Rock Churches of Ethiopia. This perfect form of man made liquid carbon dioxide as you call it has it's flaws resulting in unstabled atmospheric condition. The only thing I see it being good for is putting out fires. And I don't think the establishment of religion is a cruch to make life bearable. If im not mistaken we have the power to make our own choices right? Well it's up to you and no one else to make your life bearable or not. See it's that kind of thinking that I wish people didn't have. People always result back to the "Womb" they want someone to tuck them in, tell them a story, and tell them everything is going to be alright. No one should hold our hands. We need to make the possibilities of security in regards to living in this world okay for ourselves. I hate Politics. Originally posted by PSmolik90 Man produces co2, I find no flaw in that *breathes in* *breathes out* ahhh perfect. That invisible quanity of air you are breathing in is called Oxygen and yes it is perfect and not created by man.

[PSmolik90]

Originally posted by Switch+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Switch)</div> <!--QuoteBegin-PSmolik90 Man produces co2, I find no flaw in that *breathes in* *breathes out* ahhh perfect. That invisible quantity of air you are breathing in is called Oxygen and yes it is perfect and not created by man.[/b] I was talking about the atom itself, not that which is produced from vee - hick - cals! We breathe out co2, thus creating it, through the process of respiration. The atom co2 is not flawed. No, co2 is not insoluble, Plants take in co2 and produce *gasp* oxygen, through the wonderful process of photosynthesis. OH OH OH OH, Man created Jesus, and you think Jesus is perfect. So, BAH ZING!

[Emi Chan]

Originally posted by PSmolik90 OH OH OH OH, Man created Jesus, and you think Jesus is perfect. So, BAH ZING! Okay now that's just wrong. Im not going to drag religion into this any futher than it has. It seems as though we are going to have to take this outside. And of course the Carbon Atom is not flawed because it wasn't created by man. And this wonderful process of Photosynthesis will not work without a substantial amount of pure energy. Plants get that energy from our Sun in Photosynthesis for the rest of Earth's living creatures the process is referred to as oxidation, also known as burning. [u]A generalized formula for "burning" (oxidation) looks like this: Carbon compound + oxygen > water + carbon dioxide + energy Now you see even if man duplicates the perfect atom created by GOD it stills need some very essential elements to make up this perfect molecular structer to keep it's perfection, and the additional elements are of course products of a higher intelligence. Say hello to your Daddy.

[PSmolik90]

Im just saying you can't argue a point with out any substancial backing. You can in no way prove a God exists. Your argument is moot.

[Emi Chan]

Originally posted by PSmolik90 Im just saying you can't argue a point with out any substancial backing. You can in no way prove a God exists. Your argument is moot. Maybe I cannot prove to you that GOD exist but this is the very reason why certain elements are in our proximity so that we do not for any reason question his existance. Maybe you do not believe in his existance because just like everyone else we are a visually stimulated society of individuals. If that is the case you know that Wind exist but you cannot see it, and you also know that Gravity exist but yet you cannot see that either.

[PSmolik90]

Im impressed, that statement contained more filler then the stuffed bra of little junior high school girls. You can`t prove to anyone that God exists or does not exist. Also, that was a horribly biased analogy. With that logic I could say, I can't see your ignorance, but its apparently there.

[Death-Wuad]

getting a little unfriendly are we? just bring yourselves to a halt before bad things happen

[Lowercase Society]

This is goin' to philosophy, kids...it is getting a little 'deeper' than a nOOb thread.

[WerBurN]

Originally posted by Death-Wuad getting a little unfriendly are we? just bring yourselves to a halt before bad things happen PSmolik really isnt getting unfriendly, this is just how he is...Switch, you really should take any of this as any sort of personal insult...jus saying...i know PSmolik, and he is very cynical (sp?), but this is pretty light here... ...on a side note, if anybody could prove that God exists to a purely scientific thinking individual, there would be no more debate, and 90%+ of the world would be converted, but its the fact that you cant that makes the whole thing faith based...in short, so long as PS continues looking at things from his purely scientific viewpoint, nothing can be done to prove to him otherwise...this includes lucid dreaming, deja vu, God, everything...

[Lucius]

Keep it nice though..^_^ Dont argue to win the argument..learn from eachother, find out about eachothers point of views..dont try proove the other wrong at all costs.. Thats not going to work anyway =P

[PSmolik90]

Heated discussions are what make the world go round, Nice forums are boring. I'm not advocating everyone becoming an asshole, but if you can't take mild tension from a biased opinion, then boy are you fucked in real life. On two side notes; It wouldn`t be an argument if one side wasn`t looking to prove the other wrong. I merely stated, in my own words, that my view is a hell of a lot more likely then the other. It's your prerogative if you find this as unfriendly, but its my modus operandi to "prove the other wrong at all costs". Arrogant and Ignorant since 86, word up.

[Lucius]

I wasnt even talking to you in particular, and Im saying this to keep this convo from getting TOO heated, that is my job as a moderator, besides it is impossible to proove the other wrong anyway, she is a religious person, you cant proove a religious person of kind wrong in their eyes because they have in faith in their theories, just as you have faith in your own scientific theory. So all I am saying that you had better learn from eachother instead of trying to do the impossible. There is nothing wrong with an intense conversation, but there is something wrong with a little hostile aggresive convo..what Im also saying is try to be nice and polite, please. But everybody just do whatever they want(leaving out my personal opinion), just dont get it too heated alright?