Thread: an idea

that actualy makes sense...

Kromoh, the next einstien

but someone will probable put it down...

/me puts this thread down

nah. i beleive you're totally correct here. that's some heavy thinking you've been doing. u sure u weren't stoned?

Originally Posted by Super Duck

u sure u weren't stoned?

well I'm not sure anymore


maybe warm milk got me drunk again

There's nothing wrong with this. It's a basic substitution, that is all. I only question how practical it is .

maybe not in daily life, but in e.g. measuring chemical reactions maybe


some more hallucinating:


Pythagoras: h² = a² + b²
this is for determining the diagonal in a 2 dimensional figure (a square)

for 3 dimensions (a cube), we do a small modification:
h² = a² + b² + c²

in 4 dimensions, just like the universe (universe: 3D of space and 1 of time), we get the following equation:
h² = a² + b² + c² + d²


If a = b = c = d = 1 (equal dimensional figure), we get:

h² = 1+1+1+1+1 = 4
h = 2 (since size cannot be negative)

which means that, if an object moves 1m in every dimension, it's actually moving 2m


cool heh?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

alright I was thinking (not stoned I promise ) and came to the followign conclusion



If the speed of light (taken here as 300,000,000m/s as an example) is the maximun speed there is, then we can assume nothing can break it.

For that matter, we can assume the following: if one second has passed, light moved 300,000m.


Nothing can break the speed of light. Actually, it's the constant that determines time. The fastest thing there is, I mean.


Because of that, we can actually count time by m. The metre is a unit of measurement for 1 dimension. Nothing prevents it from being used to measure time.

If one second passed, we can say that we moved 300,000,000m in time (fast heh ). That's pretty much my idea.


Applying the same hypothesis, we get the following comparisons:

1s = 300,000,000m
1min = 18,000,000,000m
1h = 1,080,000,000,000m
1 day = 25,920,000,000,000m (see how much we walk a day? don't call me lazy now )
1 year = 9,460,800,000,000,000m

which means we walk 1 light-year per year.




Cool heh?

Man I can't wait to have this kind of physics at school

The speed of light actually fluctuates depending on the medium it passes through.

Speed of light through a vacuum: 300,000 m/s
Speed of light through 72^o air 220,000 m/s
Speed of light through 72^o water 103,234 m/s
The Speed of light slows as the medim thickens, and it gets colder.
The speed of light gains speed as the medium thins out, and it gets warmer.
Some scientists actually stopped light by super-cooling the air it passed through. They then sextupled the speed by heating up the air it passed through.
Basically, that is your only flaw, other than that, it seems like a well-put togetgether idea, just not so sure how it could be applied.

Your reasoning is exactly what led Einstein to his Theory of General Relativity, and proving that time is not fixed.

Mathematically, working with time as a dimension like any other is really elegant - until you start thinking about what you are doing!

pj I don't get what you mean by your last sentence



BAH great minds think alike heh?



btw E = mc² only because c is the highest speed a corpse can reach (in theory at least)

converting between mass and energy is not something I really think to be true

Originally Posted by Kromoh

which means we walk 1 light-year per year.

That's quite a pace!

A funny way to look at it, but giving us a distance over time assigns us a velocity, and for a velocity, you need a vector. Light moves in all directions from a single point, so if we're going along with it, we're not going in any particular direction at all. End result: We never move at all.

Which means we walk 0 miles per year. (But twice that in a lifetime!)

well there is no vector that I know in 1D



Also, light walks in every direction, yes, because it is an electromagnetical wave.

Drop something into water and the same happens. Water is not actually moving forward, it moves up and down, consecutively.


The same happens with electrons: they move forth and back, creating a wake, which is light.


It can still have a speed though. No need for vector. (actually it's infinite vectors moving the water)


And finally, if light actually doesn't have a theoretical speed: then it means light walks as fast as time allows it to. Doesn't disprove my theory.


That makes me wonder if gravity works in the speed of light as well, or if it's instantaneous. I suppose it's instantaneous, for it can alter time.






Just another thing: I considered the speed of ligth in vaccum. that is the constant I used for my theory.

If lightspeed changes in space, then it's simply because time isn't moving at its fullest.

It's like a body with movement in the X and Y axis.... If Y slows down, it doesn't mean that X will.
Also, time CAN move slowerly, but that would potentially affect everything, including light. No diference to human perception if you're subject to it. You may see teh difference from a 3rd point of view, like a different influence of time, but if you're under a said influence you won't feel the difference. Chemical reactions will have the same speed. That is somehow what you can relativity.

1 sec here could be 2 sec in another location. However, 1sec will ALWAYS BE 1 sec, no matter where you are.Your perception of 1sec will be the same. 1 sec will always be 300,000,000m. A chemical reaction that takes 1 sec will always take 1 sec.


Just like daddy would say "1 + 1 = 2, no matter if you're here or in China"

So we're moving at the speed of light? Ok. I'm just glad we're all heading in the same direction, or I'd never seem my wife again!

By the way, if we are moving at the speed of light, that means we have infinite mass. This is a REALLY good escuse for why I'm having trouble getting rid of that troublesome tummy fat.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

maybe not in daily life, but in e.g. measuring chemical reactions maybe


some more hallucinating:


Pythagoras: h² = a² + b²
this is for determining the diagonal in a 2 dimensional figure (a square)

for 3 dimensions (a cube), we do a small modification:
h² = a² + b² + c²

in 4 dimensions, just like the universe (universe: 3D of space and 1 of time), we get the following equation:
h² = a² + b² + c² + d²


If a = b = c = d = 1 (equal dimensional figure), we get:

h² = 1+1+1+1+1 = 4
h = 2 (since size cannot be negative)

which means that, if an object moves 1m in every dimension, it's actually moving 2m


cool heh?

It's offiial: you're a heroine addict or something ... hehe.
Wow, this issome interesrting stuff. Kepp popping those pills Kromoh, I want more of this insane logic.

Originally Posted by skysaw

So we're moving at the speed of light? Ok. I'm just glad we're all heading in the same direction, or I'd never seem my wife again!

By the way, if we are moving at the speed of light, that means we have infinite mass. This is a REALLY good escuse for why I'm having trouble getting rid of that troublesome tummy fat.

It doesn't mean we're moving at the speed of light. It means how fast time moves.

As i stated, time can vary in speed, but that is it's fullest. Again, it isn't subject to perception.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It doesn't mean we're moving at the speed of light. It means how fast time moves.

As i stated, time can vary in speed, but that is it's fullest. Again, it isn't subject to perception.

But, don't we move at the same speed as time. If not, why doesn't it leave us behind...

we move at the same speed time has on the point we are


it may move faster in other points of the universe, (and realivity applies then), but where we are NOW, we move as fast as time. As implicit in my statement "it isn't subject to perception".




Maybe in other places, with relativity in appliance, time may seem to move faster. But if you actually go there, it will move the same (at least to your perception)... and the point you were will relatively seem to move slower.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

pj I don't get what you mean by your last sentence

BAH great minds think alike heh?

btw E = mc² only because c is the highest speed a corpse can reach (in theory at least)

converting between mass and energy is not something I really think to be true

Actually, C is a limit, not a maximum.

What I mean is that we can treat time just like the other three dimensions of space mathematically, and it yields perfectly accurate results. But if you start trying to wrap your brain around time as a dimension, things start getting a bit weird for us because we cannot really travel freely in that dimension at all.

And the mass/energy relationship is fact, not theory. Belief has nothing to do with it. Ask Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

well it involves atom manipulation



I said that because I believe matter itself is energy... Transformign matter into energy is transformign energy into energy




and yeah I'm aware of that characteristic of time... that's what makes it beautiful to study.... and challenging... you can't exactly test these things in a lab

it is thought that certain creatures experience time slower than ourselves as an explanation of quick instincts. flies for example are currently thought to have lightening reactions but sme say it is becasue they see us coming at a really slow speed. we may never be able to prove this until we learn to speak fly and just ask them how they experience life

We have guys here in Detroit who speak Fly.

I'm not talking about phisiological perception. I mean that, when you go to a "slower" place, chemical reactions RELATIVELY work slower... but to you they will look the same (because your are an outcome of such reactions too)

Originally Posted by pj

We have guys here in Detroit who speak Fly.

lol, crazy stuff happens there.

Originally Posted by sugarglider11

lol, crazy stuff happens there.

makes me remember Scary movie 4


"This is detroit" (messy pic)

"This is detroit after the attack" (same pic)

Originally Posted by Kromoh

makes me remember Scary movie 4


"This is detroit" (messy pic)

"This is detroit after the attack" (same pic)

they added the tripods remember.

on the news I always here of murders other screwed up stuff, like the singe that said "welcome do detroit, we hope you survive"

I think we should get back on topic now