Thread: Has The Universe Been Designed For Conscious Experience?

The intricate design of the universe, in my opinion, seems to be rather quite persuasive in the possibility that this universe was specifically designed for consciousness. The complexities of reality are astounding and beyond our own comprehension, let alone the existences of higher dimensions and other universes.

When you speak of odds it is not about odds, it is about precision, logic, and meaning. There obviously is an intelligence behind the design of the universe because it's flawlessness is unfathomable. Whilst you speak of the whole of space in regards to consciousness, what if consciousness developed space instead of space becoming conditional for conscious awareness? And that consciousness is the source to how existence came to be so that consciousness could experience things physically? Thus - energy and matter is the result of thought.

The existance or nonexistance of universes without conscious experience has no meaning for us. If they exist then no conscious being will ever observe them and it's as good as if they never existed.

Very true, Belisarius.

Perhaps it is that everything is consciousness itself, manifesting physically to one degree or another, eventually working its way to where it can percieve itself.
Whether its open space, energy, subatomic particles, complicated atomic structures, a rock, a tree, a bird, dog or human being, perhaps the base nature of all of it is consciousness.

Perhaps it is that everything is consciousness itself, manifesting physically to one degree or another, eventually working its way to where it can percieve itself.
Whether its open space, energy, subatomic particles, complicated atomic structures, a rock, a tree, a bird, dog or human being, perhaps the base nature of all of it is consciousness.

Precisely. And the point Belisarius was making was how if there are existences out there that do exist but do not support conscious experience would mean that nothing would exist at all because consciousness is a part of everything.

History, as your example - in a universe that is not meant for conscious experience how would there be any history in the first place if it did not support consciousness at all? There would be no consciousness around to even create any type of history..

Originally Posted by Absolute

History, as your example - in a universe that is not meant for conscious experience how would there be any history in the first place if it did not support consciousness at all? There would be no consciousness around to even create any type of history..

This appears to be stated from a standpoint that time exists in such a universe. What if there were no such thing as time in such a place? Without time there can be no future nor past, therefore no history. All there would be would be an ever present now.

In such a place one would have to actually consciously be there to know it , but once one consciously left such a place there would be no memory of it to work with becuase one would be leaving the timeless environment to dwell in a time applicable environment. Seeing as how the timelessness was prior to time, and that memory and history arise only in the timed environment one coulndt possibly remember it.

Consciousness deals in past present and future, however, awareness is NOW and is always NOW. It may be possible to be aware of it(consciousless environment) rather than remember it. Do you get my drift?

Purpose is non-attainable.

Though, apparently we are here, dreaming away.

I guess, it's for us as dreamers, to decide if we are lucid.

Either way, we decide the rules to this eternal game.

cloudWalker

Originally Posted by Belisarius

The existance or nonexistance of universes without conscious experience has no meaning for us. If they exist then no conscious being will ever observe them and it's as good as if they never existed.

Wait, so if something doesn't pertain to us, it's automatically useless? What use is studying history then?

The reason we think about these things is because they're interesting. Yes they have no meaning for us, but that's no reason to become apathetic. Or are you just too lazy to think?