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      Justification of Killing

      Do you think there is any justification for killing another human being?
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      Ever seen A Time to Kill by John Grisham?

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      I don't know. Can you kill someone to save your life? Depends on your world view, as always.
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      When they attempt to take the life of you or a loved one. Self defense, in other words.
      Also when they are seen as unable to coexist with society, and are murderous psychopaths, etc.
      And in the pursuit of freedom, there is no price.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sagea View Post
      When they attempt to take the life of you or a loved one. Self defense, in other words.
      Also when they are seen as unable to coexist with society, and are murderous psychopaths, etc.
      And in the pursuit of freedom, there is no price.
      Some Democrats seem to think Republicans can't coexist with society.

      EDIT: Just saw your avatar
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sagea View Post
      When they attempt to take the life of you or a loved one. Self defense, in other words.
      Also when they are seen as unable to coexist with society, and are murderous psychopaths, etc.
      And in the pursuit of freedom, there is no price.
      I agree with the first two, but I don't think the US, or any country is justified in killing people so that they can push their system of government onto another country.

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      Killing, as any other action, is justified by its own occurence, if and when it occurs. Justice is merely socially organized and codifed revenge.
      Truths are material, like vegetables and weeds; as to whether vegetable or weed, the decision lies in me.
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      If in defending yourself or someone else you accidentally kill someone who is trying to kill you or someone else, that is justifiable.

      Actually, many would say purposely killing someone who is trying to kill you or someone else is justifiable and I would agree, just personally I would feel kind of bad if I killed someone no matter what the situation, but that's just me and my weirdness.

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      As long as our society says that some times and some people it's okay to kill, individuals will make their own call. For some people it's a gun to their pregnant wife's belly, for others it's noisy neighbors with fireworks (a local firefighter opened fire) or disrespectful kids walking on their lawn (a local homeowner). It's the same with violence in general; leave it on the table and people will consider it, and when their emotions or personal judgement dictate, they'll use it.

      Whether it's justifiable isn't a very meaningful question to me. If you fail to preserve life in any situation, there will be natural consequences. If you resort to violence in any situation, the odds of losing life, your own or others', increases substantially.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      Justified as in morally justified, as you see it personally. We all know that moral relativism is the hip thing to believe in nowadays but that's besides the point.
      It's hip and cool to kill someone in self-defense or when at war.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      Justified as in morally justified, as you see it personally. We all know that moral relativism is the hip thing to believe in nowadays but that's besides the point.
      It's all good--you act on an abstract, idiosyncratic sense of 'right' to prop up your identity, and I'll work pragmatically to actualize the world I envision.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      Quote Originally Posted by Sagea View Post
      When they attempt to take the life of you or a loved one. Self defense, in other words.
      Yes

      Quote Originally Posted by Sagea View Post
      Also when they are seen as unable to coexist with society, and are murderous psychopaths, etc.
      No: Who are we to choose who lives and dies? It's not our place to decide.

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      And in the pursuit of freedom, there is no price.
      But there is a limit on how much can be spent.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 27 View Post
      I agree with the first two, but I don't think the US, or any country is justified in killing people so that they can push their system of government onto another country.
      The thing is that democracy in the Middle East would lead to stability and freedom there. And most of the people want it anyways. Except the ones who hold onto power and support terror, etc.
      Quote Originally Posted by Vance View Post
      Some Democrats seem to think Republicans can't coexist with society.

      EDIT: Just saw your avatar
      Haha well that's their opinion and since it isn't backed by fact it doesn't matter. I'm a libertarian anyways.
      Quote Originally Posted by Elis D. View Post
      Yes


      No: Who are we to choose who lives and dies? It's not our place to decide.



      But there is a limit on how much can be spent.
      It is when it is someone guaranteed to kill again, or something else as horrible.

      Yeah like every life. Eh people have differing views on that but I believe freedom and liberty are ideals to die for.
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      anything is justifiable, when your head is up a very dark and smelly hole in your lower region

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      killing is only wrong because people have taught you since you were a child that its wrong. I really believe there is no good or bad its really what the individual thinks. alot of things are relative.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Soldier View Post
      killing is only wrong because people have taught you since you were a child that its wrong. I really believe there is no good or bad its really what the individual thinks. alot of things are relative.
      Like what the Zodiac Killer thinks?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Soldier View Post
      killing is only wrong because people have taught you since you were a child that its wrong. I really believe there is no good or bad its really what the individual thinks. alot of things are relative.
      God told me to do it!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Soldier View Post
      killing is only wrong because people have taught you since you were a child that its wrong. I really believe there is no good or bad its really what the individual thinks. alot of things are relative.
      Regardless of how we label the activity, its results can be predicted within reasonable tolerances. Most people find those outcomes undesirable, but make exceptions where they think killing and its consequences were the lesser of two evils. It's a matter of shifting consensus what constitutes a righteous kill (and whether such a thing exists), but that doesn't make it arbitrary.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      Prove that justification is necessary. Justify that eating dinner when people in Africa have nothing to eat is right. Justify that breathing the air that leukemia patients long for is right. Justification isn't necessary.
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      many people hate the idea of killing so society has labeled it wrong, I'm looking beyond that and realizing its only wrong because other people dont want it. so you have been raised with the idea that killing is wrong, now I certainly dont want anyone I know (well maybe 1) being killed because I dont want them dead but it proves my point that theres no real right or wrong its just what people want to be right or wrong.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Soldier View Post
      many people hate the idea of killing so society has labeled it wrong, I'm looking beyond that and realizing its only wrong because other people dont want it. so you have been raised with the idea that killing is wrong, now I certainly dont want anyone I know (well maybe 1) being killed because I dont want them dead but it proves my point that theres no real right or wrong its just what people want to be right or wrong.
      All you're saying is that humans define right and wrong. Who else would? Does it have to be a corollary of gravity or include an appeal to some higher authority to be real?
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      No he means we define what is and what is not acceptable.

      "Being real" wasn't apart of that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      No he means we define what is and what is not acceptable.

      "Being real" wasn't apart of that.
      Quote Originally Posted by Soldier
      my point that theres no real right or wrong
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      I hate when people post when im typing my post, many people I argue with think there is a right way and a wrong way from a religious perspective, God assigned this to be right this to be wrong blah blah blah ten comandments. I'm saying we assign whats considered right or wrong there is no god involve saying there is a real right or wrong, I should of worded that differantly, you are not the christian school I deal with every day.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Taosaur View Post
      ...And in this case "Real" = Universal/Objective.

      Please come back after you study the english language a little harder.

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