Thread: Collective Consciousness

Tell me, how many lifetimes have you spent contemplating?

I ask because I started this thread in order to discuss what might be, and how it might be; but you only seem interested in telling me what is. Not only that, but its seems like you are only comfortable talking about it with esoterics; something I'm just not interested in. The only truth is the truth made plain as far as I am concerned, and if one cannot help others to understand what it is that they believe, then they must not have a very clear understanding of those beliefs.

OUR BELOVED MASTER,
IT DOES NOT SEEM SO DIFFICULT TO DROP THE NOTIONS OF RIGHT AND WRONG AS FAR AS SOME SOCIETY'S MORALITY IS CONCERNED. MORE TRICKY IS TO DROP THE FEELING THAT ENLIGHTENMENT IS "RIGHT," AND THAT UNTIL I REALIZE IT, I AM SOMEHOW "WRONG."
BELOVED MASTER, COULD YOU PUT ME RIGHT?

Maneesha, you are right. Nobody can put you wrong! As you are, you are the buddha. It does not matter that you are sitting in a different posture. It does not matter that you are a woman and not a man. It does not matter that you don't walk like Buddha, you don't talk like Buddha. Whatever you do, you cannot do anything that is not a manifestation of buddhahood.
To understand this point is to reach a great height of consciousness. The thief is fulfilling his part, he just has to do it perfectly. And if you are not a buddha -- that is just an idea, a cloud that has covered the moon; it will pass away. Clouds don't remain forever.
And I can understand, Maneesha. It will remain difficult until you become enlightened. But every night you become enlightened, and again you forget. What to do with your impossibility, your stubbornness, your insistence that "No, I am not a buddha"? It is up to you. If you insist, that too is a manifestation of buddhahood. That is what Zen is all about -- to tell you that whatever you do, just do with full awareness. You are a buddha, you cannot be otherwise. It is impossible not to be a buddha. You can doubt it, you can deny it, but the doubt and the denial are all potentialities of your buddhahood.
No tree denies, no bird denies, no animal doubts. It is only man who has doubts, who cannot accept, "Such a poor creature like me, and a buddha?" He is perfectly ready to worship a buddha. He is perfectly ready to pray before man-made stone statues. But this seems to be too much, to accept the fact that, "I am a buddha."
And I say unto you that it is simply a question of getting tired of not being a buddha -- that's how it happened to me. I tried and tried and tried, and then finally I said, "It is better to be a buddha without effort."
And since then I have been a buddha. Not for a single moment have I been otherwise. Not for a single moment has any doubt arisen.
It just takes a little courage. Traditionally you have been discouraged, you have been humiliated. All that is needed is to revolt against all humiliation, to revolt against all false ideas imposed upon you, to express your dignity with joy. And to be a buddha is not a comparison, so there is no question of ego. It is not that if Maneesha becomes a buddha, then Chitten will become an ordinary human being sitting by the side of Maneesha, a buddha. Chitten is a buddha from the very beginning. He is a senior buddha! If you become a buddha today, there will be many who have become a buddha days ago. Yesterday a few became, the day before yesterday a few became. There is still time to give recognition to yourself, and express your dignity, and reject all ideas of humiliation and all ideas of destroying your dignity.
My whole effort here is not to train you for being buddhas, but just to give you courage so that you can accept your buddhahood without any fear.
And as the fear disappears, the clouds disappear, and the full moon in the night ....
Maneesha, I will try again today. Let us see whether I can put you right or not.

~ Osho (December 11, 1931 – January 19, 1990), Never Born, Never Died.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

To Experience

To Express

To Be

Yet if the point is to return to one, consciousness (self, "unique way") is the undesired result of doubt. Why individuality? Is it even real?

I don't want to open this kind of thinking, but I can't find another way to ask.

Originally Posted by ClouD

~ Osho (December 11, 1931 – January 19, 1990), Never Born, Never Died.

:] Thanks for the read.

Well, this thread is officially off topic. Does anyone actually want to discuss what the thread is actually about?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Tell me, how many lifetimes have you spent contemplating?

Not sure as yet, that connection is not yet. Suffice it to say that the awareness, this particular pattern or view was present prior to this particlar body/life. Wrap your conceptual mind around that one if you can.

I ask because I started this thread in order to discuss what might be, and how it might be; but you only seem interested in telling me what is. Not only that, but its seems like you are only comfortable talking about it with esoterics; something I'm just not interested in. The only truth is the truth made plain as far as I am concerned, and if one cannot help others to understand what it is that they believe, then they must not have a very clear understanding of those beliefs.

Oh, my mistake.

I did not realize that you only wish to only find "what might be" rather than "what is".

Each finds what they are seeking. Nothing more, nothing less.





Continuing the "unwanted" part of the discussion at:


http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...856#post825856