Has anyone contemplated the meaning of You?

[ZucchiniBetweeni]

Sometimes I think You is the one who created this fold in the universe. And if he created it in his own image, no wonder we all call each other You.

[SuperChoji]

... eh?

[hisnameistyler]

elabroate elaborate!!!

[lucid4sho]

So if you is I and me is you than why can I not mean you too ? i made a funny. :bravo:

[ZucchiniBetweeni]

I feel as though it is ignorant for us all to just take the meanings of the words we use for granted. What I'm basically saying is, why do we replace the name of the person we are talking to with the name You? Who made that word? Maybe the fact that we generalize everyone by giving them all the name You when we are talking to them has something to do with the fact that we treat each other like shadows or something. Maybe we are all just shadows of this god You, and that is why we feel so empty at times. Or maybe You is a term or word designed to aid consumerism, so that we can all identify with things that "you like or you want." But for all I know we could be in year 3498593 in some Matrix-esque pod being taken care of by the technologies we have developed. hah.

[lucid4sho]

I feel as though it is ignorant for us all to just take the meanings of the words we use for granted. What I'm basically saying is, why do we replace the name of the person we are talking to with the name You? Who made that word? Maybe the fact that we generalize everyone by giving them all the name You when we are talking to them has something to do with the fact that we treat each other like shadows or something. Maybe we are all just shadows of this god You, and that is why we feel so empty at times. Or maybe You is a term or word designed to aid consumerism, so that we can all identify with things that "you like or you want." But for all I know we could be in year 3498593 in some Matrix-esque pod being taken care of by the technologies we have developed. hah. I thought who was on first base. Its just for the sake of conversation, its more efficient to say you and I than to be constantly saying names.

[ZucchiniBetweeni]

Yes I agree with you on that, but that is something that I learned a long time ago and already have come to assume. The minds evolutionary state today is all about efficiency, but is that where the future is leading us? Should we all just continue to make conversation using language we developed simply because we had a need to be efficient? It might be more than that or less than that, all I am saying is we need not take our language for granted anymore, new words, new thoughts, and new feelings are all waiting to be realized by the new humans that finally realize there is no need for something to be completely certain, or efficient.

[lucid4sho]

Yes I agree with you on that, but that is something that I learned a long time ago and already have come to assume. The minds evolutionary state today is all about efficiency, but is that where the future is leading us? Should we all just continue to make conversation using language we developed simply because we had a need to be efficient? It might be more than that or less than that, all I am saying is we need not take our language for granted anymore, new words, new thoughts, and new feelings are all waiting to be realized by the new humans that finally realize there is no need for something to be completely certain, or efficient. I think looking for words with increased certainty and efficiency is the current and future trend. The largest additions to language in the past hundred years have come from slang terminology. I think that is how our language will evolve, each generation will use increasingly more slang and it will be more rapidly accepted.

[Shift]

I moved this to philosophy, no clue why it was in the noob section.

[ClassyElf]

I moved this to philosophy, no clue why it was in the noob section. Actually this thread is pseudo-philosophy. It doesn't belong anywhere, let alone these forums.

[Neruo]

Actually this thread pseudo-philosophy. It doesn't belong anywhere, let alone these forums. There maybe really should be a pseudo-philosophy subforum. We just started using the word 'you' or a grunt or sound like it, as a way to be able to talk about the person you are having a conversation with. There is no reason to use a name when it is clear who you mean with 'you'. I am sure there are some evolutionary / linguistic theories about the origin of the word 'you'. Really not a big mystery there. To make up metaphysical out-there worlds is quite silly. --- (in response to Shift's post below this one. I rather not spam this topic further.) This is the most-correct forum to move this thread. It think it will die by lack of actual argumentation, there is just nothing to say. Hard to debate, discuss and agree on random propositions. I think unicorns don't exist, but unicorns are green. Yeah. Okay. /*Thread dies*

[Shift]

You guys can let it die out here then, but this forum seems best over everything else. Or you can bring some intelligence into the debate and make it true philosophy, or something.

[4seaer]

I think someone needs to remember he or she is awake?!

[ZucchiniBetweeni]

For people who have such open minds it seems quite contradictory to be able to deny with such certainty any possibility of a thing.

[Xaqaria]

You 1 : the one or ones being addressed —used as the pronoun of the second person singular or plural in any grammatical relation except that of a possessive <you may sit in that chair><you are my friends><can I pour you a cup of tea> —used formerly only as a plural pronoun of the second person in the dative or accusative case as direct or indirect object of a verb or as object of a preposition — compare thee , thou , ye , your , yours

[StonedApe]

I haven't really thought much about the word you, though I have thought about the the word I. I think that eye came after I and may on some level be related to how your perception(eyes) makes up your sense of self(I). The way you look at life makes up so much of who you are. Our experiences are really what make us who we are.

[Xaqaria]

I- from old english Ic, which comes from the german Ich. Eye- from old english eage pronounced aye-guh which comes from the proto-germanic word augon. (ow-gun) Sometimes things evolve to be similar or even the same along completely different evolutionary paths.

[StonedApe]

I know isn't it amazing. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...t=55830&page=3 Thats the kind of angle I was looking at it from, not a scientific or linguistic. I don't think theres much basis to what I said, though everything in life is deeply interconnected. If you learn to adjust your focus, all life starts to have meaning, similarities, patterns. Thats really all we experience in the outside world, complex patterns which we put meaning to and use over and over again only making alterations and juxtapositions of previous patterns.

[spockman]

Originally Posted by ZucchiniBetweeni I feel as though it is ignorant for us all to just take the meanings of the words we use for granted. What I'm basically saying is, why do we replace the name of the person we are talking to with the name You? Who made that word? Maybe the fact that we generalize everyone by giving them all the name You when we are talking to them has something to do with the fact that we treat each other like shadows or something. Maybe we are all just shadows of this god You, and that is why we feel so empty at times. Or maybe You is a term or word designed to aid consumerism, so that we can all identify with things that "you like or you want." But for all I know we could be in year 3498593 in some Matrix-esque pod being taken care of by the technologies we have developed. hah. I thought who was on first base. Its just for the sake of conversation, its more efficient to say you and I than to be constantly saying names. Or we could be a really creative autistic alien with twelve tentacles who made up this entire reality in our minds... Anyway how does the use of pronouns have anything to do with morality?!?

[Xaqaria]

I know isn't it amazing. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...t=55830&page=3 Thats the kind of angle I was looking at it from, not a scientific or linguistic. I don't think theres much basis to what I said, though everything in life is deeply interconnected. If you learn to adjust your focus, all life starts to have meaning, similarities, patterns. Thats really all we experience in the outside world, complex patterns which we put meaning to and use over and over again only making alterations and juxtapositions of previous patterns. *Please don't be a link to the synchromysticism thread...Please don't be a link to the synchromysticism thread...Please don't be a link to the synchromysticism thread...* Damnit! Humans are pattern recognition machines. We thrive through making connections where other creatures might not. Our most important evolutionary skill, predicting the future, is based in this concept. Unfortunately, sometimes this skill can go to0 far and we start noticing patterns in the randomness of our world. Scizophrenics often have this problem; just watch A Beautiful Mind. Anyone who has done acid (like the creator of that thread) can tell you the same thing. I'm not saying these patterns aren't really there necessarily, but that there is a distinct difference between a pattern that has manifested randomly and a useful one. Randomly occuring patterns can be meaningful, but only in the right context. If we ascribe meaning to every pattern we find, then suddenly all patterns get equal attention and the stripes coming out of the forest to eat you become no different than the geometric tesalations in the bark of that tree.

[Serkat]

The person referenced by the word You depends on the person saying it and the situation. It's not a "name", it's a pronoun. You use it to address people.

[pyroguy305]

Sounds like 1984 to me... You know what I'm talking about? NewSpeak?

[Serkat]

Sounds like 1984 to me... You know what I'm talking about? NewSpeak? No. The English language wasn't engineered by some obscure tyrant. It evolved naturally.