Thread: Pondering why existence exists.

Originally Posted by Fableflame

I kind of agree...
But for something to have created our universe there would had to have been something already to create it...
So how did the Creator, whatever that creator happens to be, get created?
And what created the Creator's Creator?
The only logical explanation in my mind is that everything has always been here, but that too is illogical because something cant come from nothing.

I didn't mention a creator?


In fact I said the exact opposite of everything you seem to think I said.

Originally Posted by Omicron

I didn't mention a creator?


In fact I said the exact opposite of everything you seem to think I said.

i meant the part about the universe being ultimate..always being there,
I like that theory but i dont.

Well, I'm inclined to think there is a logical reason for the universe existing... simply because I think it's contradictory for anything that is not a consequence of logic to occur; that is to say that everything is a consequence of logic, otherwise it could not have happened.

Originally Posted by Xei

Well, I'm inclined to think there is a logical reason for the universe existing... simply because I think it's contradictory for anything that is not a consequence of logic to occur; that is to say that everything is a consequence of logic, otherwise it could not have happened.

But even the whole concept of logic, and the fact that it works and what 'working' or making sense, or being 'true' or anything even means, is all part of the universe.

I'm not so sure. The universe is essentially time and space and energy. I can't think of anything else.

But many discoveries made in the study of logic are completely independent of these three things, for example Godel's incompleteness theorem. Hence they are independent of the universe.

Originally Posted by Xei

I'm not so sure. The universe is essentially time and space and energy. I can't think of anything else.

But many discoveries made in the study of logic are completely independent of these three things, for example Godel's incompleteness theorem. Hence they are independent of the universe.

Definitions of universe are colliding here, moithinks.

I'm thinking "All that exists" and by definition there is nothing that isn't.

I think you're referring to like, this space we're in now, and it's physical properties.

Ispose.


Have you had any offers yet?

Yes, I'm referring to the physical universe, of which there may be many.

I suppose you are right. There will be no why for the totality of existence, that would be contradictory. But there is a why for this physical universe.

And if you mean Uni offers, yeah, I got Bath, Warwick, UCL, Imperial, and Cambridge.