Thread: Why do we exist?

Originally Posted by marcc

why do we exist?

Originally Posted by marcc

do we exist?

Originally Posted by marcc

we exist?

Originally Posted by marcc

exist?

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I don't care what it was, just because you don't believe in god does not mean you should be taken seriously for saying "Spongebob is funny. "HE" makes me laugh.

Now spongebob exists?".

I guess they will use any excuse they can.

I don't believe in god myself as i've said many times here, but i'm not going to get on my high horse and start throwing stupid things out like. Just like your guys stupid "spaghetti monster".

What are you talking about..?

Somebody made a post containing an illogical argument and he responded by pointing out the flaw.

You're effectively suggesting we have a ban on rational discussion.

Originally Posted by Mark75

god is not a disease, god is just a symptom. This is the real disease right here:

You should consult a doctor if you are having trouble recognizing the fact that the mere act of thinking of a concept does not necessarily grant that concept any form of existence aside from the thought itself. If you are unable to differentiate between hypothetical thought and actual rational deductions you are not mentally sound enough to be posting in the philosophy section. (Oops, that was ad hominem, I guess everything I said must be false.)

That's your opinion and everyone is obligated to his/her own reasoning, does it make yours valid? No, it just shows a sense of subjective reasoning without factual information, but thats the beauty of life, you have the ability to express whatever you like.

do we exist or is this all a dream

Dreaming doesn't negate existence. If you're asking at a more practical level, then it's really the same. The only difference is what and how we experience something in each of those situations. It's just that we chose waking life for reality, and probably rightfully so, at least I'd like to believe so. But, for example, if you find some schizophrenic, you might see that he only lives in a dream world. So dreaming or not, it doesn't really matter.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Because something has to. Nonexistence is impossible.

Non-existence is very possible. There is an infinite amount of things that don't exist.

Originally Posted by InvisibleMan

Ok, so god is an imaginary. He only exists in your mind.

And in cartoons

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Non-existence is very possible. There is an infinite amount of things that don't exist.

Then there is not an infinite amount of things, is there? So non-existence is really impossible as itself. You're talking about potential existence. What is impossible has no potential, no reality, and so does not exist.

This is a simple concept. Remember the hypothetical argument is invalid. Non-existence is only possible as a concept and not a reality.

Originally Posted by really

Then there is not an infinite amount of things, is there? So non-existence is really impossible as itself. You're talking about potential existence. What is impossible has no potential, no reality, and so does not exist.

This is a simple concept. Remember the hypothetical argument is invalid. Non-existence is only possible as a concept and not a reality.

You are trying so hard to sound truthy that you forgot to make sense.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Non-existence is very possible. There is an infinite amount of things that don't exist.

That could also heavily depend on what you believe qualifies as 'real'. Dreams may not exist with respect to this universe's frame of reference, for example, but their reality to one person may be enough to qualify as some form of existence anyways.

Originally Posted by Invader

That could also heavily depend on what you believe qualifies as 'real'. Dreams may not exist with respect to this universe's frame of reference, for example, but their reality to one person may be enough to qualify as some form of existence anyways.

So, anything within the limits of human imagination have an existence somewhere? Would that mean, with the potentially limitless growth of the human psyche, that inevitably every possible thing or idea will have an existence, even the impossible ones

Originally Posted by Xei

What are you talking about..?

Somebody made a post containing an illogical argument and he responded by pointing out the flaw.

You're effectively suggesting we have a ban on rational discussion.

What he was saying was "obviously spongebob exists" because people believe god exists, just like people throw out the "flying spaghetti monster" because people believe god exists and that is their counter to what they think is a stupid thing to say (that god exists). Rational discussion does not mean say sponge bob exists to mock people who believe in god, or the flying spaghetti monster, it's just people who are full of themselves and think they are right about the subject.

I also did not "effectively suggest" a ban on rational discussion, that is just you putting words into my mouth.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

he was saying ... "obviously spongebob exists" because people believe god exists, just like people throw out the "flying spaghetti monster" because people believe god exists

That's actually not why he said it at all. It has nothing to do with mocking. Perhaps you should read it closer.

Ne-yo asserted that referring to something by using a pronoun such as "he" is tantamount to positing the physical existence of that something. InvisibleMan refuted this assertion via reductio ad absurdum, showing an amusing impossibility which would be a logical consequence of this mode of reasoning. (No doubt he didn't realize he was being so clever .) If it made anyone look ridiculous, that's only because it was a ridiculous claim to start with -- not because the disproof was intended as a mockery in itself.

umm... That's not what he said. Recap:

Ne-yo:
"You just made a positive account of "his" existence just by saying "He" doesn't exist."

InvisibleMan:
"Spongebob is funny. "HE" makes me laugh.

Now spongebob exists?"

I really hope you're able to connect the dots correctly with this "new" information. Consider the context.

Flanders; DuB summed up anything I'd've said perfectly.

I must have missed what ne-yo said, my mistake.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You are trying so hard to sound truthy that you forgot to make sense.

It's not that hard to understand that non-existence doesn't have any reality. Maybe you should elaborate, unless you were just kidding around.

Originally Posted by beautifulwoodenlegs

So, anything within the limits of human imagination have an existence somewhere?

I was only suggesting that we cannot claim with certainty that something does not exist. Anything within the limits of our imagination (and beyond) may exist in some other universe. What it really boils down to is that possibilities do not qualify as evidence of any kind. They are just possibilities.