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      The whole mistranslation part was truly a minimalistic point at best. The greater picture of that minor point is that the book was written by the hand of a man. It was not written by a god, it was not written by anything greater than you or I, and I repeat, we are fallible. We are prone to making mistakes, and we very well could've made a mistake back then. What makes it so special? It was written 2000 years ago give or take, how do you know what was based on fact, and what was written because of ... creative inspiration.

      Blind faith... yes, I've heard all about faith the size of a mustard seed. I haven't seeny mountains moved yet. Blind faith is simply a fobbed off excuse a lot of people use because they have no better debate.

      What, other than blind faith, makes your religion (this is posed as an open question, I encourage any buddhists, pagans, or otherwise to answer as well) correct where as all others are wrong? The beauty of most religions is that taken with a grain of salt they're all different manifestations of the same belief, yet the infighting still revolves around names given out. Edit: I read this part over, and I'm not trying to say anybody is pushing a belief here or telling somebody else they're wrong. I just mean... what makes you so certain.

      Some people believe in A god. Others believe in many. Who's to say they're not both right? Or both wrong. There is nobody sitting in a control room anywhere watching over you. Nobody is listening to your prayers. No one entity gives a damn about you. If there is a "god" (I use the word in quotes because I think the word is sorely lacking) then it's part of you, and me, and everything else around us, and there's just no use trying to can it up and make it look pretty with scriptures.

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      This thread smells like a landmine

      *tiptoes away carefully*
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      Unless otherwise stated, views expressed in this post are not necessarily representative of the official Dream Views stance. Hell, it's probably not even representative of me.

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      Anything to do with religion is a landmine hahah. It makes people very passionate, either for or against it, because it's one of the biggest questions in life.

      Nobody here looks like they're gonna try slinging mud into the others eyes to get their points across though, so I think it'll pan out alright. Just as long as nobody tries to convert me, and just as long as I don't let my arrogance get the better of me, s'alllll goood.

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      good

      Incognito. That's good that you realize your possibility for arrogance.
      Not saying you've shown it. However, I have to pose your question
      back to you - what makes you so sure you're right - that there isn't
      a single being who is God, or many beings constituting the gods, or
      that religions are wrong? Certainly your logical mind should tell you
      that we (mankind) are probably not the smartest thing in the universe
      and that our logic has failed us many times in the past. At one time,
      most of us knew for certain that the world was flat. Now we're sure it's
      round. And what about the possibility that everything is flat, yet appears
      round because of the curvature of time and space? Well you get my point.
      Just a friendly reminder to do a reality check. : ) Are you dreaming? How do you know?

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      Oh and Coreon... Eventually God will \"sort 'em out\" but in the meantime are we not to be \"salt and light\" -ambassadors for Christ? This is an individual thing (between you and God ultimately), I know. No one has a right to police other peoples' behavior but as a word of encouragement... \"Let your light so shine among men that they may see your righteous works and glorify God.\" [/b]
      lol I'm not exactly sure why I added it. I think I was using it try and get (poorly) across that ppl will get it in the end.

      Nobody here looks like they're gonna try slinging mud into the others eyes to get their points across though, so I think it'll pan out alright. Just as long as nobody tries to convert me, and just as long as I don't let my arrogance get the better of me, s'alllll goood.[/b]
      Hopefuly we can all remain civil like he said. 8)
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      Originally posted by dazed but not confused
      However, I have to pose your question
      back to you - what makes you so sure you're right - that there isn't
      a single being who is God, or many beings constituting the gods, or
      that religions are wrong?
      Oh I hope I didn't come across like I was right and they were wrong, I pose the question a lot to try and discern the reasoning behind why people feel it necessary to be flag bearers and bannermen for their cause. What makes you right... why are you so sure of yourself that you have to instill this belief in others. How can you be with all the uncertainty in the world? It's kind of a double edged blade that way, it's meant to stir up any doubts that person has, yet at the same time I'm extremely curious about the mindset of people who can be so faithful, it's inspiring and worth respect. It just happens to be beyond my grasp.

      I'm a questioner, a devils advocate and a shifty bastard. I have a hard time believing in anything, so I dig at *everything* to try and find the scraps of truth in it.

      If I say straight out your wrong, usually I have some reason for it, but I don't wish to generalize that an entire group of people are wrong. Generally speaking, generalizations are usually wrong. 71% of the time, anyways.

      Does that clear up that issue any? haha. Also, I'll remain civil so long as nobody touches my skittles. Touch my skittles, and I'll bite you.

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      i don't have a religion
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      Originally posted by happy person
      i don't have a religion
      So does that mean you're agnostic, atheist, or buddhist?

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      okee dokee

      Incognito. Okay, I understand. And I promise not to touch your skittles. Haha.
      Just a friendly reminder to do a reality check. : ) Are you dreaming? How do you know?

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      Originally posted by incognito+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(incognito)</div>
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      i don't have a religion
      So does that mean you're agnostic, atheist, or buddhist? [/b]
      im atheist
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      So you beleive that there is no god or do you simply lack a belief in god?

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      Originally posted by Inferno
      Rain: You are a perfect example of how people adapt christianity to fit their lifestyle and beliefs. *
      You say you don't believe in hell? and you don't believe that everyone that doesn't believe goes to hell?

      Geez... How can you compromise your own religion like that?

      And the bible? It's your holy book! have you even read any of it? For a christian to say things like that is like a gay person claiming he's gay, but he doesn't like all that \"doing it with the same sex thingy\"...

      Christianity is nothing except a bunch of rules, and if you don't like any of them, you are the one that has to reconsider your faith.. you can't accept some of it, and deny what you don't like about it!

      I guess you are one of those that believe in evolution and christianity at once? It's ridicoulus, and it's unbelievably disrespectful to your own GOD!!!

      That's all for now.

      P.S sorry for getting carried away, but I thought it was Evangel that wrote your post initially, and I'm currently having a tight discussion with that guy * *

      But I mean what I say anyway!
      Ummm..... I never said I was Christian. ^^;; I don't exactly have a religion. But I'm not athiest.
      Sorry to get you all worked up.
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      If you're not a christian, it's ok.. but I know what you are saying, I'm not christian, muslim, hindu or any other religion, but I don't know if I'm an atheist...

      The thing is: I think religious systems (ex. above) do more damage than good.. all of them discriminate various, "inferior" groups of people. and all of them have leaders and people that are "more" than others... (and that's just one thing, I have a million more, but this one is enough in itself...)

      I think the whole principal of discrimination has nothing to do with any kind of divinity, and it would be directly EVIL to do it, and disrespectful to the idea of a divine power.

      We're all individuals, I say!!!!

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      i lack belief
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      I'll supply a brief history of my religions. NOTE: This is all entirely true. In the early days i was Christian who prayed to God every night and so-on. The i started rethinking things and looking at spirituality and became a Buddhist. I became tired of it and became freelance. After awhile i became a satanist which was really stupid and that ended fast. For the past few months i've been Atheist but now i'm rethinking things again. Sad ain't it?

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      i personally dont believe in religion itself. i would much rather lead my life based on my own observations than be told what to believe.
      One should practice walking in circles.

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      Dreamscape:

      Why is it that you have to combine your religious thoughts with a doctrine of some kind?

      I think you are the perfect example of how every religion is based on the same thing.

      I'm just really pissed off by the fact that religious doctrines have the exclusive right to religion...

      Fuck all the religions, they don't have shit to do with you or your religious side.

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      Combine my thoughts with a doctrine? What the hell are you talking about?

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      I was a Christain at first, a crazy one at that. One of those people who think that if anything is done that is wrong their going to hell. I got out of that stage, but I was still Christian. Thanks to this site I learned about astral projection, I had one, and I stayed away from religion untill I had more expiriences, and then I looked into Buddhism, Wicca, Satanism and all that. Finally I decided that I was going to find my own path.

      My curent belief is that we are all one Universal Force, maybe known as God. I would consider myself closest to the Buddhist belief system. But to be on the safe side, I guess I'm agnostic.
      "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
      - Albert Einstein
      "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about."
      -Joseph Campbell
      "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
      -Albert Einstein

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      thiesm is psychotic and insane and anyone who believes such trash suffers from a severe and self-crippling delusion, wanna take a guess what I am?
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      In reference to evangel, to quote Rabbi David Wolpe, "I admired his honesty, but not his theology."

      I was raised Christian -- Catholic to be precise -- as apparently many people also were. However, I soon came to realize that this was not the path of belief I was destined to travel for the remainder of my life. THAT path became visible to me by sheer accident during my search for spirituality after my mother stopped dragging me to church every Sunday morning (and occasionally, Saturday evening). I suddenly felt an emptiness inside me, as the cliche goes, "you don't know what you've got until you lose it".

      As I prefer to phrase it most, it was as if I was parousing through a hallway of many doors, when I accidentally fell down a trap door, and saw the heart of the machine whose limbs protruded all of the other rooms above; I had found the core of all religions, all faiths, all beliefs. It was a truly magnificent moment, and from that moment on, my spirituality was unwavering. I had no more reason in the entire universe to doubt.

      That's my story, like it or lump it.

      In reference to Prometheus, to quote John Buchanan and/or Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, "An athiest is a man with no invisible means of support."
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      Magick

      I was born catholic, Then I got into wicca. Now Im going to a wizardry school. Im also learning about lucid dreaming and astral travel.
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      I was raised Catholic, but I no longer practice. The closest thing to an organized religion that makes any sense to me is the Church of the SubGenius, but it isn't my religion (not before "Bob" sees my thirty bucks anyway). My religion at this point is a home-made conglomeration of everything that 'speaks' to me, regardless if it came from the Bible or Bill Burroughs. If I believe it, I hold on to it, and if I don't, that's that. I figure I'm the son of God, same as everybody else, so my instinct should tell me when I hear the truth.

      About the criticism that the Bible was written by men: Some writers are afflicted by a condition where they start writing with no preconceived notions, no idea what it's going to be, and no idea where it's coming from. You could relate it to being in tune, or in the zone, but the point is, you're a recording device for something you simply don't know the origin of. All of a sudden, it just starts coming to you as fast as you can put it down. I don't know that the Bible was written that way, but I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of it was, in which case it was beyond being manipulated by the actual 'writer'. Just a theory, of course.

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