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      Dub, that is an extremely well expressed explanation of determinism vs. free will.

      PhilosopherStoned, you must have missed where I answered your questions about choice and accountability and so forth. The girl is "free" only in terms of how I let her brain do its thing and don't force it into a decision I make myself. However, her decision making process does not involve "free will" in terms of what I have defined and Dub just explained. What she ends up deciding was set in stone even before the sun was formed.

      Alric, I don't see how what you said proves free will. Of course a last cause is a more proximate cause, but it is still determined. Please answer this...

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      If the big bang happened exactly the way it did last time, would all of the decisions you made in your life be made by you again?
      Last edited by Universal Mind; 09-22-2009 at 06:47 AM.
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