Anarchy

[anokpunx]

I would like to know your beliefs, opinions, or ideas on the subject. i believe that we dont need anybody to tell us how to live, what to do, what to think. i believe that human beings should take responsibility for themselves and not have to put their lives into a system which domesticates them and lies to them. please tell me your thoughts.

[Lucius]

I disagree. Without some form of government the weak of our society will become the victims Human beings have to be limited, they have to be controlled by laws an authority, up to a certain level of course. But they need at least a minimal form of this or else..like I said..it would just be the right of the strongest. In this case the richest/most powerful. And all the others can just..die. I would not want that to happens, most humans just cant handle total freedom, it would be an even less fair society then it is now. I would hate to see that happen.

[CT]

ideally, anarchy should be how things would be, but humans at the moment cant ever adhere to that without massive problems

[Boof]

anarchy would only work if all ppl were good. but as many ppl are selfish, ignorant, gready asses, sadly, it doesnt work.

[Kaniaz]

Nah, wouldn't work really.

[anokpunx]

i know what you mean, in fact just yesterday this dude pulled out a knife and wanted to stab me, i told him to put it away and he did, i dont think he had the guts to stab me(but there are a lot of people who do) but he did put the knife away but he continued to give me shit, he continued to try to fight me, he tried everything he could to get in a fight with me, he even insulted my pie, i was eating a vegetarian spinach and mushroom pie, but today i walked up to him and asked him why he wanted to stab me, i pulled him aside andhe said he didnt know wh, then he apologized to me and said that he would never do that to anyone again. he hated me because i was different, i dont see how he could tell because in a lot of schools here in New Zealand (Aotearoa) have uniforms, i dont even have really different hair(they made me shave off my mohawk before i came to this school). the reason i think he wanted to fight me is because he is a product of his surrondings. he is influenced by the media. TV shows, music videos, the magazines he reads, the music he listens to all plays a significant role in the way he treated me. if he was never influenced by thart in the first place i doubt he would have wanted to beat me up. the system controls the mind of the poeple and keeps them divided by the use of the media, because they know if we were united and we saw pat the bullshit and realized that we dont have to fight eachother that we can co exist and live in harmony with the earth, we would rise up and do something about it. i have changed myself first and i try to help out as many people as possible, it is hard but i am sure it will contribute to the good of mankind, ohh the bell just went i'll finish later.

[CT]

will you be my friend?

[Khronos]

Gov't is needed to keep society in order. Although I side by their rules I disagree on alot of their politics. Anarchy is a way to express your disagreements related to gov't and I think there should be more of them.

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Every governmental organization in history has had the intention of exploiting people in favor of others. Civilzation seems ordered, but at root it is highly unnatural to human instinct which is the primary reason we see so much strife in the world. Anomie, violence, stagnation, crime, and revolt is the logical natural response to a non-functioning system. Think of how many mediums modern culture uses to brain wash it's populus, television is a mass conditioning tool unprecedented in human history. Religion, an old, big one, insidious as a parasitic vine tightening it's grip on the base of a tree, it spreads as such too... Money, the false sense of power in a currency created by an artificial means. Even the most seemingly favorable societies have an alterior motive and result behind them, Communism for example. The intention was equality, but the remnants of the past plutocratic order and top classes still bought themselves to the top of the hierarchy. What Marx didn't count on was the viciousness of human instinct. Capitalism is the ultimate exploiter of these natural impulses, that is the reason it's "prospered" so much. Nature may seem chaotic but it's clean and efficient. People by nature too, are idealists by nature. From 50,000 BC humans have been creating symbols to fill that need. Without symbols we'd probably go insane considering we're all social animals. If you want change, the point is to change the current symbol system. Destroy, and create. This is (partly) the principle of Anarchism, the first part, destroy. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." describes Anarchism well. Good in theory, bad in practice. Nihilism and Anarchism branch off from the same area from history and can be considered almost identical, but both differ greatly at one point: Anarchism is far too open to interpretation and too weak to create a movement. Many Anarchists I see are Mores, which is the oldest form of Authoritarian rule I can think of. Modern Anarchists will never achieve their goals whatever those are and will simply empower the regime they seek to destroy by making the regime reactionary and giving public reason to follow the leader. Nihilism is the only solution to permanently destroy the rampant hedonist consumer culture that's plaguing the world today. You can see it spreading in North American culture as well, more and more people disillusioned turning to means to intoxicate their purposelessness. Why is the drug culture so huge? Why are there more people in prison systems now than ever? Why has the suicide rate doubled then tripled over the past century? Factors are culminating in a huge basin that's beginning to boil over. I see it everywhere.

[Umbrasquall]

Tyranny = lesser of two evils.

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

I guess this is a matter of personal choice here because chaos = lesser of two evils.

[Umbrasquall]

I guess it is just opinion. Do you believe that humans are innately good then? You say that human violence is the result of being in a society, does that not say something about the inherent nature of people? Do you believe that human kind has regressed by forming civilizations? Is everything that has been accomplished since the dawn of society a poor and useless representation of human capability?

[anokpunx]

Yes. Human beings know what is wrong and what is right in their hearts, whether they choose to listen to their hearts has a lot to do with the way they are brought up and the things they have seen in their lifetime. If you grow up seeing people dying and murdering eachother then you will become more likely to be that way, just like if you grow up in a muslim society there is a good chance that you too will be a muslim. I just think that the way things are heading people will see hey we dont need to fight eachother, we are all equals in this world. And the people will rise up and unite for a better way of life. I believe that it is coming soon. i could be delusional, but i choose to believe humans are good creatures and will do what is right if given a good chance. We still have time to reject their system, move to face to face communities where the people will govern themselves. Hope is not lost. yes CT i will be your friend.

[Umbrasquall]

That sounds more like Locke's tabula rosa.

[CT]

Anarchic and apathetic, yay

[Kaniaz]

I'm quite happy with things as they are. I'd rather I didn't have to run out with a riot shield.

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

People are resistant to change regardless of whether it's better for them or not. Change is painful. No one wants to make sacrifices.

[Awaken]

The global oligarchy doesn't want anarchy. Not because it would mean utter chaos, but because the ostracism would no longer exist. They would not be able to sit on their asses making millions from the slave class, pointing fingers at those they deem unfit for their "perfect world". Sorry, I'm in a grumpy mood today. This world is messed up in the head, not the body... This is what they want from us: This is what they get from the smart ones: :finger:

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Damn straight, they get power from being management. They are merely the puppeteers of the people with the real power.

[Umbrasquall]

Lol you guys are pretty hardcore with the anti-government thing.

[gameover]

This is anarchy. And the rouge gang that happens to exert its power the most right now is the big bad governments of the world. If you walk into a "bad neighboorhood" with gangs running things you better watch yourself or you can get in some trouble. Same witht he governemt. If you are doing something they dont want you to you had better watch yourself. just like when you run into a lion, you had better watch yourself. But we're all free to try and manuever ourselves through this anarchy as we please. I could care less about the "government" and I could care less about the many street gangs and mobs. i jsut watch my back and live my life in this wonderfull anarchy. Life is good.

[Taosaur]

Anarchy is a beautiful dream, but how do we get there? How do we educate everyone sufficiently that they see it's in their own best interests to take care of themselves? You can't impose anarchy; everyone has to be taking responsibility for themselves already. If there are "leaders" creating obstacles at that point, people can cooperatively remove them, but if it's just a few people shouting "Anarchy!" and you do destroy the government, then the masses will either 1) destroy you back or 2) make you the new government. I'd say the only useful way to move toward anarchy is to take total responsibility for yourself and encourage others (mainly by example) to do the same. Building trade networks outside the present system doesn't hurt, either.

[Awaken]

Originally posted by Squall Lol you guys are pretty hardcore with the anti-government thing. Well, when you've got the biggest satanic cult running the world it's kind of hard to ignore. Military in the suburbs, inability to answer rational questions to clear their names, a clear agenda for complete domination of the world, a flawed information system (television news channels). It's pretty clear that something is drastically wrong and getting much worse. Escalating terror threat? Don't look at the middle east, it takes a lot of money and power to wage a worldwide threat and I can assure you, war-torn countries are NOT capable of organizing something like that on a mass scale. The entire world is full of shit following Bush right now, and Kerry would do exactly the same thing if he were in office. Here's your American Dictatorship people, just watch your country go down the tube, and drag the rest of the world with it if more people don't wake up. It's a deadly serious matter, and our children are going to pay the price if we don't stand up to this crap Has anyone actually seen what's in Patriot Act 1 and 2, and Victory Act?! This shit is reminiscent of Nazi Germany...This is NOT a democracy. It's a system to make a few people rich at the expense of everyone else. AMERICA WILL BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. The deficit is skyrocketing, and the economy is going to crash. And then people like me are laughed at simply because "this cannot be possible". Well, I'm sorry to hear that. People are afraid of truth.

[Kaniaz]

Don't look at the middle east, it takes a lot of money and power to wage a worldwide threat and I can assure you, war-torn countries are NOT capable of organizing something like that on a mass scale.[/b] Just a passing thought, but if the american goverment is basically full of shit and lying about the middle east being a terrot threat, would they really be stupid enough to make a lie like that above (ie: obviously wrong)? Man that thought is wrong in so many ways.

[Lucius]

Regardless of the fucked up mistakes governments make Anarchy will not improve the situation for most people Anarchy=everybody can basicly do whatever the hell he/she wants If you say right now the rich/government are using the lower classes to earn money..this would get even worse in an anarchy situation. The people with all the money/power would cease control over everything and they would start a global war against eachother, the world would be run by big time criminals. Of course some people woul start a rebelion against these people causing even more violence/war. And meanwhile the people that are already sick/poor/weak right now are just going be forgotten about/dead/enslaved etc So no, it would not work out and become even less democratic then it is right now. At least, thats my opinion