Originally Posted by Kromoh
Not, much to the contrary. I have been claiming science doesn't define "consciousness".
Actually what you've been claiming is that consciousness doesn't exist, and that what we mistake for consciousness (attention) is explained by neuroscience which is completely different from the seemingly exact same process that is displayed by man made machines.
Originally Posted by Kromoh
LMAO.
Get serious Xaqaria. Come on. Try backing your arguments with facts. Call me when you're done, if that day ever comes.
You don't even know basic biochemistry and physiology to know how a brain works. Don't try to use quantum physics to explain consciousness -- it's like trying to use culinary to explain WW2.
If science has no definitive answer for what consciousness is, how can you be so sure quantum mechanics can't explain it?
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
So why don't you enlighten us proles with your in-depth knowledge of the source of consciousness? While you're at it, you should point us in the direction of your Nobel winning dissertation on the subject, as since no one else on the planet has been able to explain the the reason for the existence of the phenomenon, you must have managed to publish your amazing insights. Come on Genius, show us what you've got.
Originally Posted by Kromoh
Why would you show me neuroscience books to teach me about consciousness if there is no definition of what consciousness is?
Originally Posted by Kromoh
The truth is there isn't consciousness in the way you idealize. There is only attention. It's a cognitive function that was naturally selected throughout evolution. You'd have figured so if you had read the free and readily available wikipedia articles.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean nobody in the world does.
How can you claim consciousness doesn't exist if you can't even define what it is?
Originally Posted by Kromoh
Science doesn't define consciousness. Science defines attention, decision-making, understanding and prediction of models, abstraction, logical deduction... but not consciousness. Must I repeat?
No, you mustn't. Asserting that these things are analogous to consciousness while admitting that there is no definition for consciousness is utterly useless. Just as useless is claiming that consciousness does not exist, since you are not going to convince the population of the entire earth that they are in fact not really experiencing anything at all.
Originally Posted by Kromoh
I'm not arguing about the philosophy of machines, artificial intelligence, nor anything. I'm just saying the human brain has, as one of its specific functions, the cognitive function of attention. I mean 'attention' as per the biological definition, which doesn't include machines by definition.
We aren't talking about intelligence, artificial or otherwise. If you are going to define a phenomenon by certain behavior then that definition will apply whenever that behavior is present, regardless of where it manifests itself. This would be similar to saying that there is no biological life anywhere else in the universe because it is defined as cellular organisms that evolved on the planet earth.
Originally Posted by Kromoh
Yes. There's this thing called tone, and.. ah well, nevermind, I saw this shit coming from you ever since you became one.
Ever since I became one what?
Originally Posted by Kromoh
And don't you dare say causality is useless. It'd me like a scientific blasphemy.
Try not to follow science so emotionally, dogmatically and religiously.
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